{"post_stream":{"posts":[{"id":61088,"name":null,"username":"brvogel","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/d6d6ee/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-10T04:21:31.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eMy wife and I are in the market for a new bed.  We’ve tried a number of different types (thanks for all the great recommendations on this site!) and have found that we tend to prefer innerspring mattresses that are on the firmer end of the spectrum.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eWe recently visited McRoskey in Palo Alto, CA and found that we really liked their Natural line (\u003ca href=\"https://mcroskey.com/mattress-natural.shtml\" rel=\"noopener nofollow ugc\"\u003ehttps://mcroskey.com/mattress-natural.shtml\u003c/a\u003e).  Unfortunately, at $8K+, it’s out of our price range.  We also liked the Firm Classic (\u003ca href=\"https://mcroskey.com/mattress-classic.shtml\" rel=\"noopener nofollow ugc\"\u003ehttps://mcroskey.com/mattress-classic.shtml\u003c/a\u003e) as well, but it’s also on the high end of what we’d be willing to spend.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eDo you have any recommendations for where I might be able to find similar mattresses at lower price points?\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, I recently ordered a bed from Room and Board that doesn’t allow for a box spring (\u003ca href=\"https://www.roomandboard.com/catalog/bedroom/beds/mackintosh-high-footboard-bed\" rel=\"noopener nofollow ugc\"\u003ehttps://www.roomandboard.com/catalog/bedroom/beds/mackintosh-high-footboard-bed\u003c/a\u003e).  Will this configuration work with an innerspring mattress of the type I’m describing – or should we revisit this decision?\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThanks,\u003cbr\u003e\nBrett\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":1,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:24.195Z","reply_count":0,"reply_to_post_number":null,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":49,"reads":1,"readers_count":0,"score":245.2,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"link_counts":[{"url":"https://mcroskey.com/mattress-natural.shtml","internal":false,"reflection":false,"clicks":1},{"url":"https://mcroskey.com/mattress-classic.shtml","internal":false,"reflection":false,"clicks":0},{"url":"https://www.roomandboard.com/catalog/bedroom/beds/mackintosh-high-footboard-bed","internal":false,"reflection":false,"clicks":0}],"read":true,"user_title":null,"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16299,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/1","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null,"can_vote":false},{"id":61090,"name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","username":"phoenix","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png","created_at":"2016-04-10T06:09:48.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi brvogel,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003caside class=\"quote no-group\"\u003e\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eDo you have any recommendations for where I might be able to find similar mattresses at lower price points?\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003c/blockquote\u003e\n\u003c/aside\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThere is more information in \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/christeli-much-firmer-than-expected\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #9 here\u003c/a\u003e about the different ways that one mattress can “match” or “approximate” another one. Every layer and component in a mattress (including the cover and any quilting materials) will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress “as a whole” so unless you are able to find another mattress that uses exactly the same type of materials, components, cover and quilting, layer thicknesses, layer firmnesses, and overall design (which would be fairly unlikely) then there really isn’t a reliable way to match one mattress to another one in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) based on the specifications of the mattresses (even assuming that you can find out all the specifications you would need for both mattresses you are comparing in the first place).\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eMattress manufacturers generally try to differentiate their mattress from the mattresses made by other manufacturers and don’t normally try to “match” another mattress that is made by a different manufacturer so unless a manufacturer specifically says in their description of a mattress that one of their mattresses in the same general category is specifically designed to “match” or “approximate” another one in terms of firmness or “feel” and PPP and/or they are very familiar with both mattresses and can provide reliable guidance about how they compare based on the “averages” of a larger group of people that have compared them (different people may have very different opinions about how two mattresses compare) … the only reliable way to know for certain how two mattresses would compare for you in terms of how they “feel” or in terms of firmness or PPP (regardless of anyone else’s opinions of how they compare which may be different from your own) would be based on your own careful testing or actual sleeping experience on both of them.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThere are also no “standard” definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/ultimate-dreams-latex-versus-oklahoma-mattress-inner-spring-mattress-with-latex-topper\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #15 here\u003c/a\u003e) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eIn other words … if two mattresses have different designs and materials then your own careful testing or personal experience is the only reliable way to compare two mattresses in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eComparing two mattresses in terms of durability is much more simple and more objective once you know the specifications of all the materials and layers in two mattresses you are comparing (see \u003ca href=\"https://mattressunderground.com/our-articles/mattress-specifications-you-need-to-know.html\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003ethis article\u003c/a\u003e) because making durability comparisons is just a matter of comparing the quality and durability of the materials and components inside it and making sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress that would be a reason for concern (see the \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/sf-regalis-vs-restava-delano\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003equality/durability guidelines here\u003c/a\u003e). Again though I would always keep in mind that the quality and durability of the materials has little to nothing to do with how a mattress will feel or compare to any other mattress in terms of comfort, firmness, or PPP.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThere is also more about the 3 most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/innerspring-with-latex\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #13 here\u003c/a\u003e which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/major-brands-sealy-optimum/521/46\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epersonal value equation\u003c/a\u003e that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe better options or possibilities I’m aware of in and around the Palo Alto area (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets your specific criteria and the quality/value guidelines I linked earlier in this reply) are listed in \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/factory-direct-mattress-manufacturers-san-jose-ca\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #2 here\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003caside class=\"quote no-group\"\u003e\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, I recently ordered a bed from Room and Board that doesn’t allow for a box spring (\u003ca href=\"https://www.roomandboard.com/catalog/bedroom/beds/mackintosh-high-footboard-bed\"\u003ehttps://www.roomandboard.com/catalog/bedroom/beds/mackintosh-high-footboard-bed\u003c/a\u003e).  Will this configuration work with an innerspring mattress of the type I’m describing – or should we revisit this decision?\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003c/blockquote\u003e\n\u003c/aside\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI’m not sure you are clear between the difference between a box spring and a foundation. A box spring has springs inside it that flex under the mattress and there are very few one sided mattresses today that use them as a support system and in many cases they will invalidate a mattress warranty. Most mattresses in the industry today need a steel or wooden bedframe with a foundation that has minimal to no flex (vs a box spring that flexes) or a platform bed which also has little to no flex under the mattress. There are many in the industry that mix up the terminology between box springs and foundations even though they are very different products.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eWhether your platform bedframe would be a suitable support surface for any particular mattress would depend on the specifics of the mattress and the design of the bedframe. In most cases the manufacturer of a mattress will be a reliable source of information about whether any specific foundation or a platform bed is suitable for the mattress you are purchasing but there is also more information about the different type of support systems (bedframes and foundations or platform beds) that are generally suitable for different types of mattresses and some examples of each of them in \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/the-best-foundations-or-base-for-a-latex-or-all-foam-mattress\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #1 here\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePhoenix\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":2,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2023-11-22T06:37:01.876Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":null,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"link_counts":[{"url":"https://mattressunderground.com/our-articles/mattress-specifications-you-need-to-know.html","internal":false,"reflection":false,"title":"Mattress specifications you need to know - The Mattress Underground","clicks":1},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/major-brands-sealy-optimum/521/46","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"\"Major\" Brands Sealy Optimum?","clicks":0},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/ultimate-dreams-latex-versus-oklahoma-mattress-inner-spring-mattress-with-latex-topper/1759","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"Ultimate Dreams Latex versus Oklahoma Mattress Inner Spring Mattress with latex topper","clicks":0},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/sf-regalis-vs-restava-delano/3756","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"SF Regalis vs Restava Delano","clicks":0},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/innerspring-with-latex/5471","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"Innerspring with latex","clicks":0},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/factory-direct-mattress-manufacturers-san-jose-ca/119","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"Factory Direct Mattress Manufacturers ... San Jose, CA","clicks":0},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/the-best-foundations-or-base-for-a-latex-or-all-foam-mattress/5877","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"The Best Foundations or Base for a Latex or All Foam Mattress","clicks":0}],"read":true,"user_title":"Leader","title_is_group":false,"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":true,"admin":true,"staff":true,"user_id":3,"hidden":false,"trust_level":4,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/2","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61106,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-10T21:54:56.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eI too prefer a firm innerspring mattress, after much research and shopping I purchased a Gold Bond Anniversary Firm mattress set from Wayfair and it’s just what I was looking for:  very firm, thicker gauge coils (12 3/4) and last but not least - double sided!\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe first set I ordered was for my Guest Room, so I could try it out first - I am very happy with this mattress…so I ordered another set for my room to replace a one-sided mattress that I have only had 15 months, it’s one of the major “S” brands that started to sag in the middle after 3 months of use - plus it’s not nearly as firm as I would like - I do realize however that one person’s firm is another person’s soft.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eWayfair also sells a Plush version of this Anniversary mattress.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe Full Set for my guest rom was about $660 - the Queen set is about $740 - but don’t be fooled by the price into thinking it’s a lower-quality mattress because it’s not - it also has a 10-year warranty.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI was just about to give up on finding a mattress that I could flip when I came across the Gold Bond - shipping was free too!\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eGood Luck\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":3,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.196Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":2,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":null,"reply_to_user":{"id":3,"username":"phoenix","name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16099,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/3","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61107,"name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","username":"phoenix","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png","created_at":"2016-04-10T22:10:26.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi pattycake,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI know you have mentioned the mattress you purchased in several different topics but it would be very helpful if you could also include the density of the foam layers in your descriptions as well because the foam layers on each side of the innerspring are usually the weakest link in a mattress in terms of durability … not the innerspring itself.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePhoenix\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":4,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.247Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":3,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":"Leader","title_is_group":false,"reply_to_user":{"id":16099,"username":"pattycake","name":null,"avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":true,"admin":true,"staff":true,"user_id":3,"hidden":false,"trust_level":4,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/4","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61108,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T00:14:43.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eOf course - Phoenix you are absolutely right about the foam being the weakest link -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAccording to the diagram of the inside of the mattress on Gold Bond’s website, the Anniversary Firm is comprised of the following:\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ethe fabric (quilting) on top is described as a “firm top w/polyester fiber”\u003cbr\u003e\nUnderneath that is 2\" of extra-firm fiberboard\u003cbr\u003e\nThen there is a heavy polyester insulator pad - beneath that are 448 12/34 gauge coils (for a queen size)\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI did not see any layer(s) of “foam” at all - can this be correct?  I assume fiberboard is not the same as foam, right?\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThis is a very firm mattress to be sure - it is actually called “Ultra Firm” - If it’s too firm for some people I would think a topper of some kind would make it feel softer -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eSince I weigh over 200 lbs.  \u003cimg src=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=12\" title=\":frowning:\" class=\"emoji\" alt=\":frowning:\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\"\u003e  I was looking for a very sturdy, durable mattress and I believe this one fits the bill (for me!)\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":5,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.294Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":4,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":null,"reply_to_user":{"id":3,"username":"phoenix","name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16099,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/5","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61109,"name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","username":"phoenix","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T00:46:54.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi pattycake,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003caside class=\"quote no-group\"\u003e\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI did not see any layer(s) of “foam” at all - can this be correct? I assume fiberboard is not the same as foam, right?\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003c/blockquote\u003e\n\u003c/aside\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eFiberboard normally refers to an engineered wood product that is often used in furniture (\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberboard\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003esee here\u003c/a\u003e) but this can’t be what they are referring to since it wouldn’t be suitable for use in a mattress.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eIt would most likely be their terminology for either a firm polyfoam layer or possibly some kind of densified polyester fiber layer but their website description isn’t clear about what it is.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePhoenix\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":6,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.344Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":5,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":2,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":15.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"link_counts":[{"url":"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberboard","internal":false,"reflection":false,"clicks":0}],"read":true,"user_title":"Leader","title_is_group":false,"reply_to_user":{"id":16099,"username":"pattycake","name":null,"avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":true,"admin":true,"staff":true,"user_id":3,"hidden":false,"trust_level":4,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/6","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61110,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T00:54:28.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eAmazon also sells this Mattress set - and they also have a little diagram showing the interior of the mattress (and box spring) - theirs describes it as follows:\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eBelgian micro-quilted fabric (on top)\u003cbr\u003e\n2 1/2\" layers of Firm \u0026amp; Extra Firm foam\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eEverything else seems to be the same -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eSo I guess it does have foam -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, wanted to mention the price of this mattress set on Wayfair’s website has gone up since I placed my order - a Queen set is now $810.62 - still an excellent price IMO -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eOn a scale of 1-10 (10 being the softest) I would rate it a 3\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":7,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.395Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":6,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":1,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":10.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":null,"reply_to_user":{"id":3,"username":"phoenix","name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16099,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/7","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61112,"name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","username":"phoenix","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T01:11:06.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi pattycAke,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003caside class=\"quote no-group\"\u003e\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAmazon also sells this Mattress set - and they also have a little diagram showing the interior of the mattress (and box spring) - theirs describes it as follows:\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eBelgian micro-quilted fabric (on top)\u003cbr\u003e\n2 1/2\" layers of Firm \u0026amp; Extra Firm foam\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003c/blockquote\u003e\n\u003c/aside\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThese are the specs for the limited edition (not the Anniversary firm) 8\" mattress and the Amazon description for the \u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Anniversary-Ultra-Sided-Innerspring-Mattres/dp/B01CJO356U/ref=sr_1_9?s=home-garden\u0026amp;ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1460336880\u0026amp;sr=1-9\u0026amp;keywords=gold+bond+anniversary\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003eAnniversary ultra firm 11\" mattress\u003c/a\u003e also says fiberboard in the description.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003caside class=\"quote no-group\"\u003e\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, wanted to mention the price of this mattress set on Wayfair’s website has gone up since I placed my order - a Queen set is now $810.62 - still an excellent price IMO -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003c/blockquote\u003e\n\u003c/aside\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe only way to to assess whether a mattress is a good “value” choice is by knowing the type and quality/durability of all the materials and components inside it.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePhoenix\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":8,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2023-12-21T10:43:19.488Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":7,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":1,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":10.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":2,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"link_counts":[{"url":"https://www.amazon.com/Anniversary-Ultra-Sided-Innerspring-Mattres/dp/B01CJO356U/ref=sr_1_9?s=home-garden\u0026ie=UTF8\u0026qid=1460336880\u0026sr=1-9\u0026keywords=gold+bond+anniversary","internal":false,"reflection":false,"clicks":2}],"read":true,"user_title":"Leader","title_is_group":false,"reply_to_user":{"id":16099,"username":"pattycake","name":null,"avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":true,"admin":true,"staff":true,"user_id":3,"hidden":false,"trust_level":4,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/8","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61113,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T01:40:50.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi Phoenix -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe description I quoted is what Amazon has for the Gold Bond Anniversary Ultra Firm Queen set - it says “extra firm foam” - not fiberboard, in both the diagram and the descriptive paragraph below - this the for the 11\" mattress.  I believe what you quoted is from the Full Anniversary Ultra Firm, as it does say “fiberboard” -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eNot sure why there is a discrepancy - because it’s the same mattress…just a different size.\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":9,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.578Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":8,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":null,"reply_to_user":{"id":3,"username":"phoenix","name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16099,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/9","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61114,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T01:48:44.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eThis is confusing!\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eIf you type “Anniversary Ultra Firm Queen” on Amazon’s search box you will see what I mean - it does not say fiberboard, but extra firm foam - this is the set that sells for $1099.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eYour link took me to the full-size mattress, (no box spring) and it is described as having fiberboard - it’s the same mattress - 11\" thick and Ultra Firm -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAnyway. whatever it is, it’s a firm mattress that’s double-sided and so far I like it very much!\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":10,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.624Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":9,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":null,"reply_to_user":{"id":16099,"username":"pattycake","name":null,"avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16099,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/10","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61116,"name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","username":"phoenix","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T02:10:12.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi pattycake,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThey seem to have multiple descriptions for the same mattress but I would want to know the type and quality/density of the material regardless of what it is.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eIt’s great to hear that you like your mattress but of course a mattress that is suitable for one person may not be suitable for someone else in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP and your firmness rating may be different from how someone else would rate the same mattress. I also wouldn’t recommend suggesting a mattress as an option for someone else unless you know the type, quality/density, and durability of the materials inside it so that they can confirm that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress relative to their weight range.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePhoenix\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":11,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.751Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":10,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":"Leader","title_is_group":false,"reply_to_user":{"id":16099,"username":"pattycake","name":null,"avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":true,"admin":true,"staff":true,"user_id":3,"hidden":false,"trust_level":4,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/11","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61117,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T02:31:33.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eYes - I see your point about the foam density.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eIt does not say what the density is of the foam - Wayfair’s description of this mattress also says it has the extra firm foam, not fiberboard.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI did read somewhere that a mattress with at least 13 gauge coils (or thicker) would be more supportive of someone in my weight range - and I knew I wanted to go back to a double-sided mattress, but only time will tell.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThis is the first time I’ve ever purchased a mattress online - I do understand why someone would be hesitant to buy one sight-unseen - but so far I believe I made a very good choice - I will wait at least 6 months and then give an update.\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":12,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-11-28T21:35:25.797Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":11,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":0,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":5.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":null,"primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"read":true,"user_title":null,"reply_to_user":{"id":3,"username":"phoenix","name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":false,"admin":false,"staff":false,"user_id":16099,"hidden":false,"trust_level":1,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/12","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61118,"name":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","username":"phoenix","avatar_template":"/user_avatar/forum.mattressunderground.com/phoenix/{size}/2_2.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T02:43:11.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003eHi pattycake,\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003caside class=\"quote no-group\"\u003e\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI did read somewhere that a mattress with at least 13 gauge coils (or thicker) would be more supportive of someone in my weight range - and I knew I wanted to go back to a double-sided mattress, but only time will tell.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003c/blockquote\u003e\n\u003c/aside\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eHow “supportive” a mattress may be and the durability of a mattress are completely separate issues. Lower gauge coils are certainly thicker and firmer that the same type of coils that are a higher gauge (especially if they are linked coils rather than pocket coils) but the gauge of an innerspring is only one of many variables that determines the feel and performance and the quality and durability of an innerspring and the weakest link of a mattress in terms of durability is generally in the comfort layers not in the innerspring itself.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eI certainly wouldn’t recommend purchasing a mattress where you don’t know the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e“Support” is often misunderstood because the goal of a “supportive” mattress is to keep the spine and joints in good alignment and this requires the type of contouring support that allows some parts of the body to sink in more (softer) and some parts of the body to sink in less (firmer) and this will vary on an individual basis. There is more about primary or “deep” support and secondary or “surface” support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the “roles” of different layers in a mattress in \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/firmness-support\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #2 here\u003c/a\u003e and in \u003ca href=\"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/stiff-neck-kd-gabrielle-mattress-too-soft\" data-bbcode=\"true\"\u003epost #4 here\u003c/a\u003e that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between “support/alignment” and “comfort/pressure relief” and “feel” and how they interact together.\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePhoenix\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003ePS: I switched our conversation into a new topic of its own because we were hijacking the original topic we were posting in.\u003c/p\u003e","post_number":13,"post_type":1,"posts_count":15,"updated_at":"2022-12-12T20:47:29.398Z","reply_count":1,"reply_to_post_number":12,"quote_count":0,"incoming_link_count":1,"reads":0,"readers_count":0,"score":10.0,"yours":false,"topic_id":9294,"topic_slug":"looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation","display_username":"Laura M ~ TMU  Founder \u0026 CEO","primary_group_name":null,"flair_name":null,"flair_url":null,"flair_bg_color":null,"flair_color":null,"flair_group_id":null,"badges_granted":[],"version":1,"can_edit":false,"can_delete":false,"can_recover":false,"can_see_hidden_post":false,"can_wiki":false,"link_counts":[{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/firmness-support/5652","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"Firmness = support?","clicks":0},{"url":"https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/stiff-neck-kd-gabrielle-mattress-too-soft/1908","internal":true,"reflection":false,"title":"Stiff neck - KD Gabrielle mattress too soft?","clicks":0}],"read":true,"user_title":"Leader","title_is_group":false,"reply_to_user":{"id":16099,"username":"pattycake","name":null,"avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png"},"bookmarked":false,"actions_summary":[],"moderator":true,"admin":true,"staff":true,"user_id":3,"hidden":false,"trust_level":4,"deleted_at":null,"user_deleted":false,"edit_reason":null,"can_view_edit_history":false,"wiki":false,"post_url":"/t/looking-for-an-innerspring-mattress-recommendation/9294/13","reactions":[],"current_user_reaction":null,"reaction_users_count":0,"current_user_used_main_reaction":false,"can_accept_answer":false,"can_unaccept_answer":false,"accepted_answer":false,"topic_accepted_answer":null},{"id":61119,"name":null,"username":"pattycake","avatar_template":"/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/a9adbd/{size}.png","created_at":"2016-04-11T03:06:50.000Z","cooked":"\u003cp\u003ePhoenix -\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eWhile I don’t know the quality of the components in the Gold Bond mattress, you did comment that you thought I made a better choice than the “S” Brand that I bought last year; also in a post from 08/06/13, you commented that Gold Bond tends “to use higher quality materials in their mattresses”  than other larger mattress manufacturers…\u003c/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eHaving said that, I think I will contact them and ask for some specifics about their foam - other than the density of the foam and whether or not they use fiberboard, what else do you suggest I ask?  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