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I apologize as thought itād be easier to go off of my most current situation only, I still this is true to a certain degree. Iāll explain a little further for more context, but I do think itās fair to basically to forget some of the past, so Iāll reiterate, so you donāt have to revisit other parts of the thread, at least thatās the ideal.
Brief History
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[li]I bought an OMI (Organicpedic) DUO talalay bed about a year and half ago. All layers are flat (no sculpted) at 3" each.[/li]
[li]Bed is split into half left and right[/li]
[li]Iāve gotten a new Soft layer this year, because OMI lost my old one when I took it to get checked for lack of support in the middle.[/li]
[li]I stopped using the zippered mattress cover to sleep on directly it only covers the firm layer[/li][
[li]Sleep mostly on back and then side, mostly because pain at tailbone, wonāt change much if comfortable, rare these days, but akin to vampire in a coffin, donāt need to move a lot.[/li][/ul]
S/M/F combination:
When sleeping on my back it hurts and feels as if my tailbone/butt is falling into the mattress while the rest of my upper body is higher and itās a pulling aching feeling thatās isolated to the middle of the bed. The head and foot of the bed is firmer and doesnāt not create this sinking feeling and is physically more supportive than the middle section of the bed. This is why I say hips are dipping into the bed too much and it wreaks havoc on my entire body, causing misalignment issues, I feel better standing than I do getting into bed. I have measured, the relative distance of my forehead, waistline fairly accurate when standing, the waistline is an inch lower in the bed with no pillow, where as when I stand they are even and donāt feel any strain or pulling at the bottom of my spine.
M/F:
Removed Soft layer, felt better for a few days, hips were higher up, but still lower, and pain reflected that, Meaning I felt like my tailbone was as low, but once I adjusted to it, it was still a little low and felt the pulling, at the same time I could kind of feel the slats in my bed so it was a little harder than Iād like, but I didnāt have problems with my joints sinking in to the top layer.
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.5",1", and 1.5", Soft Dunlop Experiment
I own a separate Dunlop layer from foamorder itās a soft layer ranging from 25-32ILD. I had them cut into 3 different layers .5",1", and 1.5", so 1" is the softest closer to the 25ILD, .5ā is the middle and 1.5" is the firmer closer to 32ILD.
So I used every combination there is, and felt it would be fairly tedious to share the same exact problem each time, my tailbone felt like it was dipping, pulling feeling/strain while the other part of my body was up higher the main differences are the softer the material the more pressure relief, however the dunlop is older and can be more mushy and trap my shoulder joints in bad positions. The layer seemed slightly uneven before it was cut since it was used well before I had the Duo.
Hereās the more relevant combos with these layers on top.
S now stands for Dunlop layer (will clarify when that changes later)
2" (1.5"+.5") S/M/F
Good pressure relief, but ultimately too soft I kept sinking at the hips. Uneven in different spots and would sometimes cause joints to stick in a misaligned position, always equals pain later.
1.5" S/M/F
Pressure relief is a hit or miss, I slept better because hips rose up, but it was a little harder and causing bad circulation, numb hands and it irritated pinched nerve at the shoulder when side sleeping. I still had lower hips, just not as much, but just meant slightly less pulling/aching. Less problems with mushiness of layer, but still there with unevenness in different spots of the layer.
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Compared all the above to the floor
Floor is hardwood with carped on top and waistline is .5" above forehead on floor (no pillow), and felt better just to relax my body on after any of the other combinations. I did not sleep on the floor just rested there a few times to test the difference.
It seems obvious the integral structure of every Talalay layer S/M/F was softer in the middle. I can feel it lying down, I see and feel it when I push on the mattress in the middle of each layer and I have the measurement to show definitive height difference of the waistline and forehead with no pillow. Measured on more than one person, not hypermobile, stiff and curvier.
So I decided to try modifying S/M/F thinking if I have enough support in the middle the pressure relief of the soft talalay layer might be pretty good.
S/M/F Talalay modified with Polyfoam and an extra Latex square.
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[li]35ILD .25ā polyfoam layer cut into 2 pieces and placed over the Firm layer, this cut covers 1/3, the mid section and then Medium layer smaller about 1/2 the size and covers the tailbone section.[/li]
[li]13ILD 1" thick 25"x30" Talalay Latex placed over the middle of the bed (you can see its outline)[/li][/ul]
This gave me relief at the tailbone initially but as I suspected it only lasted a few night before it started becoming problematic. My pelvis didnāt feel like it was sinking anymore, but later on it felt like pressure against the tailbone which didnāt feel very good. So maybe this is too high, my waistline measured the same as it did on the floor, so I though it might be too much. I did enjoy have more space for my shoulder, but my knee joints were hanging off the latex square causing instability issues when standing.
S/M/F Talalay modified with Polyfoam (Current Status)
I removed the latex square this more closely resembles my waistline to forehead ratio when standing and knee problems went away. But tailbone still feels like itās sinking a bit, but it also feels pressure. These adjustments feel a little uneven as expected it physically raises the middle like a small hill, which Iād like to reduce so itās more even and causes less problems. When Iām on my side my upper and lower body feels lower than my hips yet firmer at the very end of the bed like a wave and this causes misalignment at the spine, hips, and knees.
So Iām a little unsure which way to go from here. Right now Iām assuming If I can find a denser thin polyfoam that may work or even creating slats of polyfoam over a base of polyform and placing over the firm or medium layer so thereās less of a peak or hill elevation to the layers and overall support or firmness is more even than without the polyfoam.
I hope that clarifies everything, my general need is stability in and out of the bed, so dipping or softness where the spine bottoms out too much isnāt ideal, and small amount of pressure relieve so hands donāt go numb and or nerves donāt get pinched and not too soft that joints are positioned incorrectly throughout the night causing inflammation.