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Hi Phoenix

Sorry I didn’t include more details. I got some more information on the mattress that I didn’t have before.

The Comfort Layer seems to be HR Foam even though that are advertising it as HD Foam. Yay for me. The density is 2.5#/cubic foot. I didn’t understand what the salesman told be about the compressions modulus. He said something about 60% IFD (?) and 16# of softness. I could be miss quoting those so please forgive me.

So it seems this is a very good comfort layer and should last me a long time. I could not find on your site if 2 inches of HR Foam is OK or not. I know you say no more than 1 inch for the lower grades but I can’t find anything about how much is too much for HR Foam.

More information about me. I am fairly average. I am about 5’4" and 150 pounds. When I am on my stomach, (which happens regularly while I sleep. I try to stop but I always end up there) I hang my feet off the edge of the bed so that doesn’t cause extra arching in the back. I prefer a fuller down pillow but that is mostly due to my chest size. I am currently a 32H so you can see why that causes problems when on my stomach. If my pillow is too thin, it causes more pressure on my chest. I also try to start my night on my side or back so a thicker pillow is more comfortable.

I need a comfort later that will allow my chest to sink in more but not give up support for my back. If my chest does not sink in, then they will naturally cause by back to arch and this is what is causing the majority of my back pain.

I also worry because the showroom floor models were sagging and I was told that is because of so many types of people test driving them. The salesman said mine will mold to my body. Is that OK? To me that sounds like the comfort layer will get indentions which eventually will become sagging and I will be right back where I am today.

I think this is why the lower model with the little coils in the comfort layer was more comfortable for me. They did the perfect job on the showroom floor. But the salesman, and from what I can read from your site, say the HR Foam will last me longer. I guess I just need to be reconfirmed of this. It’s not just the money I am spending on the bed. It’s my health at stake.

I guess to summarize, when we talk about PPP, it is hard to day for me. In the store things feel fine but I am more worried about after we have been sleeping on it for some time. I can’t ‘test drive’ that.

Thanks again for all your help. This site has been beyond helpful!

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Hi BSchoppe,

[quote]The Comfort Layer seems to be HR Foam even though that are advertising it as HD Foam. Yay for me. The density is 2.5#/cubic foot. I didn’t understand what the salesman told be about the compressions modulus. He said something about 60% IFD (?) and 16# of softness. I could be miss quoting those so please forgive me.

So it seems this is a very good comfort layer and should last me a long time. I could not find on your site if 2 inches of HR Foam is OK or not. I know you say no more than 1 inch for the lower grades but I can’t find anything about how much is too much for HR Foam.[/quote]

The 2.5 lb density polyfoam they use is HD (not HR) but either way it is a very high quality and durable material and certainly wouldn’t be a weak link in any mattress. The IFD/ILD of a material is a comfort spec and isn’t important to know because with careful testing your body will tell you much more about whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) than the “comfort specs” of the materials or components inside it. The guideline of “no more than about an inch or so” of lower quality or unknown materials wouldn’t apply to 2.5 lb polyfoam or any other high quality material that meets (or in this case exceeds) the foam quality/density guidelines here.

[quote]More information about me. I am fairly average. I am about 5’4" and 150 pounds. When I am on my stomach, (which happens regularly while I sleep. I try to stop but I always end up there) I hang my feet off the edge of the bed so that doesn’t cause extra arching in the back. I prefer a fuller down pillow but that is mostly due to my chest size. I am currently a 32H so you can see why that causes problems when on my stomach. If my pillow is too thin, it causes more pressure on my chest. I also try to start my night on my side or back so a thicker pillow is more comfortable.

I need a comfort later that will allow my chest to sink in more but not give up support for my back. If my chest does not sink in, then they will naturally cause by back to arch and this is what is causing the majority of my back pain.[/quote]

The most reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP is careful and objective testing using the testing guidelines in the tutorial. There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to reliably predict whether any mattress is a good “match” for you in terms of PPP based on specs (either yours or a mattress" or "theory at a distance (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here). There is more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) and how to identify and minimize the risk involved in each of them in post #2 here.

There is also more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability, durability, and value.

I don’t know why the showroom mattress is sagging (although showroom mattress can often be subject to some abuse that wouldn’t reflect real life conditions) and I don’t know all the rest of the specs of the mattress (see here) so I can’t make any meaningful comments about it but the 2.5 lb polyfoam is a high quality and durable material and certainly wouldn’t be a weak link in the mattress.

While all foam materials will soften or impress to some degree over time … 2.5 lb polyfoam (whether it is HR or HD) is a very high quality and durable material that certainly wouldn’t be a weak link or subject to any unusual sagging in any mattress under “normal” conditions.

Phoenix

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Hi Phoenix, I was going to go to Texas Mattress Makers this weekend, but now, after reading what BSchoppe said, I’m not so sure. It seemed strange to me that a mattress manufacturer should have any mattresses out in the showroom that sag, no matter how many people have sat on them. Thanks for all the fantastic info- I might have blindly gone to one of the many mattress retail stores that are more numerous in Houston than Starbucks.

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Hi novapbs,

I think a trip to Texas Mattress Makers would be well worthwhile and they certainly have some high quality mattresses available. I don’t know the reason for the sagging mattress on the floor (it would seem odd to me as well) but if for some reason it’s still there then you can always decide if that’s a deal breaker based on your entire experience there.

Phoenix

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[quote=“Phoenix” post=48584]Hi novapbs,

I think a trip to Texas Mattress Makers would be well worthwhile and they certainly have some high quality mattresses available. I don’t know the reason for the sagging mattress on the floor (it would seem odd to me as well) but if for some reason it’s still there then you can always decide if that’s a deal breaker based on your entire experience there.

Phoenix[/quote]

We noticed this concern and we wanted to put some information out there as to why you may see some dipping in some of our mattresses in our showroom. To be brief, we purposely display mattresses which have been preemptively exposed to pressure so shoppers can try the mattress in the way it will actually feel for the majority of it’s lifespan. Some mattresses acquired a “body impression” from this pressure, depending on the mattress construction. The initial feel of the mattress when it is new can be much firmer (again, depending on the mattress construction) and we encourage an open dialog about what to expect in the mattress feel over time.
For a more in depth explanation, please see our blog post on the topic here:
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alesimattress.com/ - A & M Mattress Co
I actually bought a mattress here for a spare room years ago. It is close to my neighborhood in the rough part of town and had no idea it was top quality until stumbling into this site and these forums and this thread. Looking to replace a 10+ year mattress, I will try this place again. There is no showroom, but sales will take you around the warehouse to see the mattresses.

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Hi mario15:

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

I’d appreciate any follow-up on your upcoming visit to this store, including any specifications of the foam layers of any mattress you decide to purchase. It would be a useful addition to the Houston area thread.

Phoenix

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Hello mario15:
We would like to invite you to visit our store as well during your search for a new mattress. Our showroom is located inside our factory and we have dozens of mattresses set up for you to try. Our Mattress Specialists have all worked the production line and will work with you one-on-one to fit you to a bed for your specific comfort and support needs. We can also create a custom mattress or customize any of our mattresses as needed. Good luck on your search, and please feel free to contact us if you have any questions. We hope to see you soon!

(713) 341-6252
Texas Mattress Makers
4619 Navigation Blvd
Houston, TX 77011
[email protected]

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Hi mario15,

We also have a member of the site, Texas Mattress Makers, who is in Houston and you may wish to visit them as you go through your decision-making process.

Phoenix

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I recently purchased a mattress from Texas Mattress Manufacturer. I was told the mattress that I bought had three inches of copper infused talalay latex on top of pocketed coils. The mattress that was delivered has a tag that says “All New Material consisting of Innerspring Unit covered with Polyurethane Foam 80% Polyester Fiber Pad 10% Premium Polyurethane 10%”. I immediately called and was told that the tag was incorrect. I was also told that they would send someone out to open the mattress and show me that I got what I paid for and have a new mattress manufactured with the correct tag. How will I know for sure that it is what they say it Is? I thought it was illegal to have an incorrect tag. Please help.

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They sent someone out immediately and I have to say it does look like the pictures online of copper infused talalay latex from the manufacturer. They also offered to email me the manufacturer’s information. If I am satisfied they will make a new mattress with the correct tags, if I am not they will issue a full refund. I will say that I love the fact that they are working with me.

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Hi MJHouston,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum!

I’m sorry you had an issue with the incorrect tag being sewn into your mattress. Despite the best practices, this does happen once in a while. I’m glad that Texas Mattress Makers came out right away to confirm that you had the correct item, not only to make sure that you have what your ordered, but for their own quality control. You are correct that if a manufacturer was consistently misrepresenting a product and shipping something dissimilar, or purposely placing different materials into their mattresses than what was advertised, that would be cause for concern and most likely actionable. However, in your case, this was a simple example of a mistake in labeling and they’ve confirmed this to you. Texas Mattress Makers has a long-standing reputation for their quality and integrity, as is being displayed with their handling of your case. That’s great news!

Phoenix

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I have been considering a trip to TMM as well although the last time I went I didn’t love most of the ones they showed me in price range. May I ask what you paid for this new latex model?