After some extensive research, I pulled the trigger on Brooklyn Bedding’s #BestMattressEver. I really hope the Medium is what I am looking for!
My shopping experience, so far, has been smooth and easy. I live chatted with Mario and he was able to answer all my questions. I look forward to receiving this mattress in the mail soon!
Hi Grant,
Congratulations on your new mattress 
I’m also looking forward to your comments and feedback about the mattress and your firmnness choice when you’ve received it as well
I know it was probably a typo but just for the sake of clarity it will be delivered by FedEx (in the US) rather than through the mail.
Phoenix
Hi…we received our BBBME,queen medium yesterday along with our Simple Life foundation. Setup was a breeze and we are letting the mattress settle for a day or so before sleeping on it. It seems to fit perfectly and we are looking forward many great nights sleep ahead. I will follow-up with you once we have tried things out.
Hi Tydwater,
Thanks for the update … and I’m looking forward to your feedback once you’ve had the chance to sleep on it.
Phoenix
Phoenix,
So…I’m still trying to find our buy the right bed. While the medium firm BME is a good bed, it’s still too firm for us. They sent us a 2" gel-foam topper, which helped, but didn’t do the trick (though it felt pretty plush after the rock-hard bed I slept on in a “luxury” hotel in San Diego for a week.
As you may recall from other this and other threads we’ve considered:
New thought - since I liked the all latex with 6"firm core,/base 2" medium middle layer and 4" top layer, what if we just put a 3" soft latex (100% natural talalay" topper on our BME? That would give us 6" foam core/base, 4" medium latex and then 3" soft. It would not replicate the other bed, but may give us something what we want (or close enough to perfect).
I’m ignoring the 1 1/2" of mattress batting in my list, assuming with 3" of latex over it it will a) last longer than without the topper (less prone to indentations and b) it may affect, but won’t greatly affect, the feel of the 3" of latex above and the interaction of the 4" of latex below. Or, si that totally wrong?
I’m thinking we’d then be in $1500 or so vs. $2300 for an all latex mattress. Of course, we’re still risking the 3" topper will do the trick. From what I’ve read on various sites, the toppers are not returnable.
Is there any reason, structurally, this would not work? I understand we won’t know preference and support wise whether it will really work. But, given the layers, can it?
I have this gut feeling it will work and give us what we’re looking for. As I said, the 2" gel topper helped. I’m thinking the latex is soft and thick enough to give the “plush” feel we want, will allow my shoulder to sink enough to remove the present pressure there and still provide enough support. it will also reduce the bit of heat we feel from the foam topper they sent us (and the St Dormier protector has helped with that already).
Thanks, as always, for any advice.
Hi AustinOski,
I switched your post to a new topic of its own since your questions about a topper are outside the scope of the original topic you posted in (and the title will make your comments and questions and any replies easier to find for others that have similar questions).
[quote]As you may recall from other this and other threads we’ve considered:
New thought - since I liked the all latex with 6"firm core,/base 2" medium middle layer and 4" top layer, what if we just put a 3" soft latex (100% natural talalay" topper on our BME? That would give us 6" foam core/base, 4" medium latex and then 3" soft. It would not replicate the other bed, but may give us something what we want (or close enough to perfect).
I’m ignoring the 1 1/2" of mattress batting in my list, assuming with 3" of latex over it it will a) last longer than without the topper (less prone to indentations and b) it may affect, but won’t greatly affect, the feel of the 3" of latex above and the interaction of the 4" of latex below. Or, si that totally wrong?
I’m thinking we’d then be in $1500 or so vs. $2300 for an all latex mattress. Of course, we’re still risking the 3" topper will do the trick. From what I’ve read on various sites, the toppers are not returnable.
Is there any reason, structurally, this would not work? I understand we won’t know preference and support wise whether it will really work. But, given the layers, can it?[/quote]
In “theory” it could certainly work but “real life” experience doesn’t always match theory because there are so many variables involved.
If a mattress is too firm then a good quality topper can certainly be an effective way to add some additional softness and pressure relief although the only way to know whether a specific mattress/topper combination is a good “match” for you in terms of PPP is based on your own careful testing or personal experience on the combination. If you can’t test the combination in person then there is always some risk and uncertainty involved in adding a topper because the specifics of the mattress itself along with your own body type, sleeping position, and preferences can affect which specific topper would be the most suitable choice on any specific mattress.
There is more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to which along with a conversation with a reliable supplier that can provide you with good information about how their toppers compare to each other or to other toppers they are familiar with that are available on the market can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that has the least possible risk and the best chance for success. It also includes a link to a list of some of the better online sources for toppers I’m aware of and a link to the online suppliers that have good exchange/return policies as well.
If you do end up making a suitable topper choice and a mattress/topper combination turns out to be a good “match” for you in terms of PPP then it also has the advantage that it allows you to replace just the topper without replacing the entire mattress if it softens or breaks down before the upper foam layers in the mattress (the upper layers or a sleeping system tend to soften or break down before the deeper layers) or if your needs or preferences change over time and a topper can also help extend the useful life of the mattress underneath it.
Overall though … if you are purchasing a topper “blind” and you’re not certain what it will feel like on your mattress then I would focus on suppliers that have a good exchange/return policies just in case your topper choice doesn’t work out as well as you hope for.
Phoenix
IMO, 7 inches of Latex on top on a 6 Foam core on the BME is overkill…
Even the heaviest of people (who are still mobile) can only sink into 4 inches of Latex at the most (with a proper core), which means getting a 2 inch Latex topper on top of the BME would be the most sufficient setup since the most you’ll be sinking into the mattress is 4 inches with the topper (2 inch Latex) in which barely glazes the 2 inch Dunlop Latex layer and not even close to the 6 inch foam core in the BME.
Visualization of my optimal setup with Latex topper on the BME (6" Latex over 6" Foam):
BestMattresEver in Soft
6" Firm Convoluted High Density Foam Core @ 2 lbs
2" Medium Dunlop Latex @ 30 iLD,
2" Soft Talalay Latex @ 18 - 23 iLD
"3/4 Foam + Polyester Fill + Cotton Fabric
Optional
2" Pillow Soft Talalay Latex topper @ 15 iLD (with or without cover)
Terry Cotton or Quilted Waterproof Mattress Protector
Hi Nemix,
I’m not so certain that you are in the best position to be providing this type of guidance to someone else since you are only beginning your own learning curve about choosing a mattress and a topper and I certainly wouldn’t agree with your comments here.
The most important part of the value of any mattress/topper purchase would be how well you sleep on it followed by the quality and durability of the materials followed by all the other parts of each person’s personal value equation that are important to them and there are too many variables involved for anyone to be able to predict this with any certainty.
The thickness of a mattress or any individual layers or materials inside it is really just a side effect of the design and the design goals of the sleeping system and is also only one of many variables that can affect the feel and performance of a mattress/topper combination relative to any specific person and by itself isn’t particularly meaningful (see post #2 here).
Phoenix
My apologies Senpai…
I just wanted to put in my opinion since the BME was up there (#1/2) in my consideration for a new mattress.
What stopped my from buying the mattress was shipping, customs and brokerage fees into Canada with US money conversion.
Remix - thanks for the input. I based the 3" on the fact that the 2" gel foam is not thick enough for me as a “soft” top layer. I hit the middle layer of latex and it feels too firm. So, I thought a 3" latex toper would do the trick.
I also though I could get a 2" topper (19 ILD or so) and if that was not enough, buy a Lanoodle or something (or convoluted latex), but a 2" topper plus something else is much more than a 3" topper of the same material.
Also, I like latex, I like the springy, bouncy feel. So, if I’m looking at 7" of latex on top of a 6" foam core, that’s likely not too much for me. My favorite latex mattress so far was a 100% talalay (all natural), 12" mattress with nothing else but a thin cotton stretch cover.
That’s sounds about right since you’re getting a soft firmness of the Talalay Latex topper (I totally forgot about that even though I listed in the specs above) and the fact you’ve tried and liked a 12" all Latex mattress (I wouldn’t go close to that since it would be so much out of my budget range).
But as Phoenix suggests, you have to make sure the topper plus mattress combination suits your body type and sleeping positions (PPP), 7" Latex (5" being soft) over 6" foam doesn’t sound so bad after all if it fits your bill and PPP.
Remix - actually 3" soft, 4" medium since we have a medium BME. Of course, we’re also considering just switching to the BME soft. If it’s not soft enough (or, rather, the soft layer is not thick enough), then we add 1-3 inches more soft latex.
Sounds simple, but if we exchange the BME, we’re stuck with the next one, like it or not. And, I don’t love the feel of the foam core. I like more bounce, which is why the all latex bed and the all innerspring mattresses were appealing to me.
So, save a little and maybe it works out or just pay a bunch more retail, locally and know exactly what I’m getting.That’s conundrum I’ve not gotten around to answering.
Hi, BME owners. I’m considering a BME. I’m curious if anyone has tried the Ikea Morgongava as well as the BME.
I’m not asking if its better or not, just how it feels different. Particularly if the medium is softer or firmer than the Morgongava? what is the density of the upper layer? Or maybe there are some more nuanced differences. I’d love to hear about them.
Sorry if this is too off topic. Phoenix feel free to move this to a different thread if you think so.
Hi SuperJ,
I switched your post to a more suitable topic that has some information that may be helpful.
I don’t know of anyone that has mentioned trying both mattresses but hopefully one of the members here that has tried both of them will see your post and share their comments.
I would also keep in mind that these are very different mattresses with different types and blends of latex (which would have a different feel and response) and very different designs. The Morgongava has a single layer of latex with a single firmness while the BME uses a combination of multiple layers that will each have some affect how it feels and different people may have very different opinions about how they feel and compare based on their body type and sleeping style which will affect how deeply they sink into the mattress and their perceptions about which of the layers have a significant effect on their sleeping experience and on how firm the mattress feels to them compared to someone else.
Every layer and component in a mattress will have an effect on the feel and performance of every other layer and component above and below it and the ILD or density of latex is only one of several variables or “specs” that will determine how soft or firm an individual layer or a mattress “as a whole” will feel to different people (see post #4 here). In addition to this the ILD or density of different materials or different types and blends of latex also aren’t always directly comparable to each other (see post #6 here) so using the ILD of a particular layer or combination of layers as a reliable indication of how any mattress will “feel” or how firm it will feel to you compared to another mattress with a completely different design can be more misleading than helpful .
There are also no “standard” definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see post #15 here) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.
While your own careful testing or personal experience is the most reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good “match” for you in terms of comfort and PPP or how closely it “matches” or “approximates” another mattress … when you can’t test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.
Phoenix
It’s Nemix not Remix…LOL
Anyhow, I’m understanding your case; I kept thinking you have a BME in Soft already thus I said you’d only need another 2" Soft Latex topper and not a 3" Latex topper.
In your case a 3" Soft Latex topper now makes perfect sense unless you get your BME in Medium exchanged for a Soft in which case you’d only need a 2" Soft Latex topper afterwards but doing so comes with a risk factor in the case you don’t like BME is Soft you’ll be stuck with it.
Personally I don’t see the risk but it needs to pointed out since you don’t like your current BME in Medium anyways and want to soften is up by getting a 3" Soft Latex topper because a 2" Latex topper will not suffice since you don’t want to be bottoming out onto the BME firmer Latex layers…LOL
This is why I just chose a two sided flip design pocketed coil mattress and then going topping it with a 2-3" Latex topper, I don’t like the dead weight feeling of foam core mattress but in all honesty if the BME was sold in Canada for the same price as the US (just conversion) with free shipping included I would have probably pulled the trigger on the BME in Medium and probably stick with it (gradually get use to the feeling of the foam core mattress).
Hi Nemix,
Unless you have a great deal of experience in the industry and with the specific mattresses or toppers they are considering it’s very unlikely that you would be able to predict which topper they would do best with no matter what mattress or firmness level they have.
Again … I really don’t think that you have the knowledge or experience to be able to provide this type of guidance to others.
Phoenix
My apologies again… :lol:
It’s in my nature to use calculations, I’m a computer specialist and have a scientific mind; I’m left handed and use both sides of my brain sometimes too much which gets me into trouble.
I know it’s totally different when it comes to mattresses there’s just too many unknown variables but I can’t help myself when posting or trying to find information related to mattresses/sleeping.
I have a sleeping disorder, probably due to my old mattress and I’m here for advice on trying to resolve my sleeping disorder…so you have every right to say I shouldn’t be giving advice at least not yet.
Happy mind = Happy person…
I just purchased a BME King medium after speaking with Mario about my firmness choice. We are
Me: 5’10 190lbs
Wife: 5’9" 150lbs
So, pretty average sized people. My wife can sleep on ANYthing and rotates from her back to her side. I sleep on my side and can/like to sleep on my back with a firmer mattress. Our current Serta pillowtop is a little too soft and gives me a little back ache and shoulder ache after a night of sleep. Sleeping on back being very rare due to a lack of support.
Our new mattress should be here the day before or after Thanksgiving and I will certainly update with my impressions.
Mario was as nice as everyone has suggested and no pressure to buy. With the return policy, I just don’t see how we could lose by trying this bed out.
Hi cablebandit,
As you know you made a great quality/value choice … and congratulations on your new mattress as well
I’m also looking forward to your feedback once you’ve received it and have had the chance to try it out.
Phoenix
Just ordered my #bestmattressever and I’m excited. I’ve bought more mattresses than I care to admit over the past 20 years and usually HATE shopping for them. Salespeople always seem more pushy than knowledgable, and it’s impossible to compare from one store to the next. About a year ago, I ordered an inexpensive DreamFoam Bedding 12-in-1 customizable online, and although it was really comfortable for awhile, the softer layer of polyfoam is now giving out. Hoping the higher density foam along with the 4" of latex in the #bestmattressever are as durable as everyone says.
Ordering was really simple and quick. I used the chat button a couple days ago, and today (Saturday) called and spoke with Keaton who was quite helpful and friendly. Used the “underground” 5% off coupon and Keaton also said he would throw in some pillows.
Also want to say “thanks” to this site - I read dozens of posts (many by Phoenix) over the past few days to help make my decision and feel better informed about this purchase than any previous mattress purchase. Will update after I get my mattress.