Hi npolite,
I’m sorry to hear that your Leesa mattress didn’t work out as well as you hoped for and I hope that the softer BestMattressEver turns out to be a better choice for you.
Congratulations on your new mattress 
I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback once you’ve received it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.
Phoenix
I started my search for a new bed after about 3 years of on and off neck and back pain. I’m going to share a little about the pain side, as well as some preliminary info about Brooklyn Bedding. I have not received my bed yet, but I placed the order today. I am a side sleeper as well and hope this may help anyone with a similar profile. That said, keep in mind bedding is highly subjective and deals with a multitude of factors including preference, body shape, and etc. (as Phoenix will surely tell you )
About the pain…
Over the last 6 months it has really intensified to the point there is has become all “on” and never an off period for the pain. There’s been times when turning my head left and right has been painful.
One thing I’ve discovered along the way is a lacrosse ball. During my yearly doctor checkup, I mentioned my pain to my doctor and he recommended physical therapy. While researching the physical therapy I read that a lot of therapists will give patients a lacrosse ball so that they can do some self=healing pressure point release on their own at home in between sessions.
The lacrosse ball has been a revelation. For $2.00 I’ve been able to get a lot the knots out of my neck and shoulder. The ball is also what led to me realize the problem was mostly my bed, as I never realized how tight my hips were until I tried it. Until then I thought the main culprit was sitting at my desk job for 40 hrs per week (although its a factor of course).
The ball didn’t solve it completely, but it lessened the pain from severe to manageable so I highly recommend this to anyone with neck and back pain. I also took a standing mirror, laid it sideways next to the bed, and stripped down to my underpants and recorded myself laying on my bed. The underpants part is key (and surprising relevant to this post). I made sure the top lining of my underpants was horizontally level to the ground when standing. This allowed me to not only see the curve in my spine while laying on my existing mattress (firm Ikea Sultan), but the “rim” of my underpants very clearly angled towards my shoulders instead of being nearly perpendicular to the plane of the bed. Overall, my side profile from shoulders to hips looked like a V, and moreso than what’s justified by my natural body shape.
On to the bed…
When I started my search for a new bed, I recalled an ad I heard for Casper and loved the idea of trying it for 100 nights with no hassle returns. My research began. I reached out to someone at Casper, and the rep said they consider the firmness to be about 7.5. Obviously this is very subjective, but when ordering from the interwebs it is inherent that your decision will be partially based on subjective data. So it’s just a data point.
I decided the Casper was too firm for my side sleeping. After reading/comparing a ton of similar options, I quasi-decided on the Leesa as I read that it is most likely a 6.5 in comparison to the Casper. Researching the Leesa is what led me here.
I continued to read and was very intrigued by Brooklyn Bedding’s 3 levels of firmness, as well as their presence and seemingly great customer service. I am 5’11" and weigh 150 lbs with hips and shoulders that are wider than my waist (opposed to a boxy shape). I need something that allows my hips and shoulders to sink a little bit, while also being supporting enough that my entire body doesn’t sink together emulating a flat ground-like surface. I am hoping the Queen Soft will be perfect for me. I joined an online Chat session with this in mind, and Mario recommended a soft as well.
I will post an update after I receive the bed and get used to it a little. I also wanted to commend Mario and Brooklyn Bedding for their excellent customer service, I had a rather unique request that I submitted knowing full well it was a long shot, but Mario said they will figure out a way to work it out. So kudos to him and their team. They had every right to say no, and I wouldn’t have minded.
To top it off, they currently have a promo for a free shredded foam pillow and sheet set with purchase. I couldn’t be more pleased with my experience thus far, and hopefully the mattress experience is just as great. I’m confident it will be.
As 100 days have passed but still it’s soft that’s why think it’ll lusting for long time. Which brand you bought? I also have a plan to buy a new one for my aged mom. Now, she is feeling pain on his back that’s why I need to buy.
Hi Karln2003,
Thanks for taking the time to share your comments, insights, and ideas … I appreciate it.
Your idea with the underwear is very interesting and could also be adapted to outer clothing as well and could certainly be a useful reference point for lateral (side) sleepers.
Most importantly … congratulations on your new mattress
As you know I think you made a great quality/value choice and I’m looking forward to your comments once you’ve received it and have had the chance to try it out.
Phoenix
We wound up ordering a BB Medium firm King. So far, it’s just too firm! Some noticeable aches and pains in the arm/leg areas, arms falling asleep, etc.
Hi znosaro,
I switched your post into a new topic of its own with a more descriptive title because your questions about other mattresses were outside of the scope of the original topic you posted in.
I’m sorry to hear that your BME mattress was too firm for you but the good news is that you had the foresight to purchase a mattress with a great return policy so you could try it out without any risk.
If your mattress is too firm then some of the comments in post #2 here may also be helpful.
I would keep in mind that there are no “standard” definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see post #15 here) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.
In other words … the only way to know for certain whether another mattress would feel softer or firmer to you and “how much” it would feel softer or firmer (particularly if it’s rated in a similar firmness range) and whether it would be a good “match” for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) will be based on your own personal experience.
When you can’t test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.
While again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will “feel” for someone else because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress … outside of PPP and how well you will sleep on a mattress which is the most important part of “value”, the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t see or “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or in your bedroom when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to your weight range in terms of the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.
You can also see some comments about the type and quality/durability of the materials in the Leesa and the Helix mattresses (and many of the other simplified choice mattresses as well) in post #2 here in the simplified choice mattress topic.
Phoenix
Hi Znosaro,
My wife and I have tried 3 different on line beds so far. We first tried the Leesa which we liked, but became concerned about the durability of what we consider a long term investment. We bought the Leesa just prior to discovering this site. We then tried the Kiss mattress, but both my wife and I were very uncomfortable on it right from the get go and could no longer stand sleeping on it after a week. Heck with the break in period! We have now been sleeping on the BME for about a month and so far are very happy with it. Based on our weights, me at 180 lbs and my wife at 128 lbs, and that we are both primarily side sleepers, Mario recommended the soft version. We found that it is still reasonably firm and gives us good support, but with the feel of the mattress cover, gave us the "cushy’ feeling we were looking for. Because of a knee injury, I had to sleep on my back for several nights and woke up with a slightly sore lower back which makes me question whether the soft version would be good for a back sleeper. Being a side sleeper most of the time, this is really not much of an issue for me. In any case, we are happy with the mattress so far but will make our final judgement on it closer to the end of our trial period. If we don’t stay with this mattress which at this point seems unlikely, we will be trying the more customizable Dreamfoam Aloe.
I got the brooklyn bedding queen size right before back surgery. Before I had the surgery I had to sleep on extremely firm beds but I noticed that “medium” firmness was soft but supported me enough that I wasn’t in my usual pain. I also got and adjustable foundation which works great with this latex matress so that is raises and lowers. This has been key for recovery which has had me laying in bed much over the past few months.
The only hesitation to think about is that the sides are softer on latex. It doesn’t matter what brand you go with. I would probably have gotten the king instead of the queen if two people ever sleep on it because of this. You are forced to sleep a little more towards the center of the bed than you need to on a traditional spring mattress. I am very pleased with the purchase and very pleased with brooklyn beddings service.
Hi chinacry,
Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback … and congratulations on your new mattress as well
Phoenix
I received my medium BME about 5 weeks ago. Here’s a link to my experience with my previous mattress if anyone is curious. In short, I was looking for something that was a bit firmer than what I had.
Delivery was quick. From ordering, it was delivered within a week. I used the discount code provided at this site. The mattress came with a set of sheets that feel nice, but I haven’t used them yet.
The first thing I noticed about the mattress is that it’s definitely heavier than my last one. My last mattress had 1"-19 ILD, 2"-24 ILD both talalay latex, 7 inches 33 ILD acela flex polyfoam. I would guess that the BME is using higher density foam in at least the base layer. Based on the specs, the base layer density stacks up very well against comparably priced or even more expensive competitors.
Like others noted, when new the BME medium feels firmer. For those considering ordering, you’ll need to give it a good 2 weeks of use before you get a sense of how it’s going to feel longer term. The first few nights are definitely not representative of how it will feel.
After one month, I’d say it’s a bit on the firm side of medium, which is what I was looking for. I’m 5’7" and weigh about 160 lbs. and generally sleep on my back. The top <1" polyfoam layer gives it a good initial soft feel. The remaining comfort and supporting layers give a good support for my back. I could probably go firmer, but this is the best feeling mattress I’ve had since my first one in 1998.
Overall, I’m very happy with the BME which is about as nice a thing as I can say about a mattress. The price with the discount was very good. The extra set of sheets was nice. I sleep well without tossing or turning.
[P.S.] I’ve paired the mattress with the J.C. Penny Latex Pillow. I’ve also tried the Brooklyn Bedding soft and firm latex pillows. The BB pillows were both too soft and too firm. J.C. Penney hits between them, although I wish it was a bit firmer. The JCP pillows have changed slightly in the last year or so and are a little bigger than a standard size pillow.
Hi wrngway,
Thanks for taking the time to share such detailed comments and feedback … I appreciate it
It’s great to hear that choosing the BME mattress worked out so well for you.
Phoenix
A quick follow up to my post above…
I placed the order on a Friday, and got the notification that it shipped Monday. Expected delivery is Thursday, which is awesome. I can’t wait to receive it.
I’m also curious about “DreamSoft” beds. I was reading the reviews for DreamSoft and BrooklynBedding beds on Amazon and someone mentioned that they are sister companies and may actually be the same mattresses.
Is this true? The BrooklynBedding mattresses all have good reviews on Amazon, but the DreamSoft beds have a number of 1 and 2 star reviews complaining about valleys after 1-2 years.
Can anyone comment on the BrooklynBedding bed after two (or more) years of use? For the price, I’m not really expecting 10 years life, but I would hope it maintains form longer than two years…
Thanks,
Karl
Hi Karln2003,
I switched your post to a new topic of its own because your questions are more related to Dreamfoam and are outside the scope of the original topic you posted in.
[quote]I’m also curious about “DreamSoft” beds. I was reading the reviews for DreamSoft and BrooklynBedding beds on Amazon and someone mentioned that they are sister companies and may actually be the same mattresses.
Is this true? The BrooklynBedding mattresses all have good reviews on Amazon, but the DreamSoft beds have a number of 1 and 2 star reviews complaining about valleys after 1-2 years.
Can anyone comment on the BrooklynBedding bed after two (or more) years of use? For the price, I’m not really expecting 10 years life, but I would hope it maintains form longer than two years…[/quote]
I think you mean Dreamfoam not “Dreamsoft”.
Brooklyn Bedding and Dreamfoam are sister companies with common ownership and are both made in their new state of the art factory in Phoenix, AZ. Each of their brands are targeted to a different market.
Brooklyn Bedding makes a single “simplified choice” mattress with three different firmness choices which is the one you purchased.
Dreamfoam makes a much wider range of mattresses in a much wider range of prices including latex and latex hybrids, memory foam, polyfoam, and even a few innerspring mattresses. They are sold from their own website as well as on Amazon (and a few other online retailers as well). None of their mattresses are the same as the BestMattressEver.
Outside of the fact that they each sell completely different mattresses and that the BestMattressEver hasn’t been on the market for two years yet (it was launched about a year ago) … I would keep in mind that mattress reviews won’t tell you much if anything about the durability or useful life of a mattress relative to different people or weight ranges.
The most accurate and meaningful way to assess the quality and durability of a mattress is by knowing the type and quality/density of all the materials and components inside it because a mattress is only as durable as the weakest link in the mattress and the relative durability of specific materials and components is already well known regardless of which manufacturer uses it in their mattress or how long a specific mattress or design has been available for sale. You would need to wait at least 5 years or more to be able to assess the durability of any good quality mattress based on customer feedback and even then there may not be enough long term reviews to see a meaningful pattern and the majority of reviews wouldn’t be particularly reliable anyway because a mattress that would be a durable choice for some people may not be a durable choice for others (see post #13 here) and in many cases by that time a mattress may not even be available for sale any longer anyway.
While there is no way to specifically quantify how long any mattress will last for a specific person or predict exactly when they will decide to replace it because it is no longer suitable or comfortable for them (because this is the only real measure of durability or the useful life of a mattress that really matters) and because there are too many unknowns and variables involved that are unique to each person … if a mattress is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and isn’t close to the edge of being too soft when it is new (see post #2 here) and you have confirmed that it meets the minimum quality/durability specs that are suggested in the guidelines here then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with higher quality and more durable materials like latex or higher density memory foam or polyfoam (in the comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or even longer and the chances that you would have additional “bonus time” would be higher as well.
You can also see some more detailed comments about some of the Amazon “reviews” you are probably referring to that would also apply to any mattress with hundreds of reviews in post #20 here and in post #2 here.
You certainly made a great quality choice that would be suitable for any weight range and if your BestMattressEver is in a suitable firmness range and is a good “match” for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) then you can reasonably expect it to last for many years.
Phoenix
Hi npolite,
The BB sales rep is right that you order the soft version. My husband and I are both side sleepers, and wanted a mattress that will complement our sleeping patterns. We currently own the Best Mattress Ever BB - King Soft for almost 6 weeks now, and oh my goodness… it was worth every penny we paid. We have been sleeping through the night, and woke up without any pain whatsoever. Truly nothing like this ever meet the competition out there that will not cost you a fortune. We both work at a machine shop for 10 hours; so by the end of the day - laying on BB Soft King Size bed is a treat for king and queen. It just hugs you and lull you to sleep… Thank you Brooklyn Bedding - for great mattress. We highly recommend it to our family and friends.
Hi maricarin,
Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback as well.
As you know you also made a great quality/value choice and it’s good to hear that the firmness level you chose worked out so well for both of you.
Congratulations on your new mattress
Phoenix
[quote=“maricarin” post=63496]Hi npolite,
The BB sales rep is right that you order the soft version. My husband and I are both side sleepers, and wanted a mattress that will complement our sleeping patterns. We currently own the Best Mattress Ever BB - King Soft for almost 6 weeks now, and oh my goodness… it was worth every penny we paid. We have been sleeping through the night, and woke up without any pain whatsoever. Truly nothing like this ever meet the competition out there that will not cost you a fortune. We both work at a machine shop for 10 hours; so by the end of the day - laying on BB Soft King Size bed is a treat for king and queen. It just hugs you and lull you to sleep… Thank you Brooklyn Bedding - for great mattress. We highly recommend it to our family and friends.[/quote]
Thanks for the information maricarian. The bed is coming on Monday so I will post once I get used to the new bed. I have just recently found out that I have a few strains of Lyme and the co-infection Bartonella. On top of that I had deviated septum surgery in which my doctor only fixed the deviated septum and not the nasal passageway which is also narrow. Hopefully between all three of these issues, once I get them resolved will be back to almost what I used to be before everything went downhill last July.
Looking at the Brooklyn or the Novosbed. I can’t decide. I weight around 150 - 155 on average. Wife is around 110. She says she prefers firmer but the bed we have now is a independent coil mattress with a pillow top so it might be considered a really soft mattress. So “firmer” might actually just mean medium. She is back sleeper and I am a side with a bit of back although I would like to be more back. Just with our mattress thats not possible since its so soft.
I think I am leaning more towards the brooklyn because I have no idea if I will like memory foam over the long term. However, they have a 250$ shipping fee to Canada I don’t love. Also I like that the novosbed has the convert layer option if we find it to firm.
Anyways, I don’t know what to get. I was thinking either brooklyn firm or Novosbed firm. Sigh.
Hi thedommer,
I switched your post into a new topic of its own since your comments and questions were outside the scope of the original topic you posted in.
While I can certainly help with “how” to choose … It’s not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first “rule” of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress. There are just too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best “match” for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will “feel” to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or “theory at a distance” that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
Both Brooklyn Bedding and Novosbed are members of this site which means that I think highly of both of them and I believe that they both compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.
As you probably know The BME uses latex in the comfort layers and Novosbed uses memory foam which are very different materials with different properties but the choice between them is more of a preference and budget choice than a “better/worse” choice. There is more about some of the differences between memory foam and latex in post #2 here but the best way to know which type of materials or mattresses you tend to prefer in general would be based on your own testing and/or personal experience.
When you can’t test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.
Once you have narrowed down your options to a list of finalists that are all choices between “good and good” and none of them have any lower quality materials or “weak links” in their design and if at this point there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your own local testing and/or your more detailed phone conversations about each of them, the firmness and suitability of each one, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials and components, designs, or types and blends of latex, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers and any costs involved, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on “informed best judgement” based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.
Phoenix
Quick follow up to my previous post…
Received the bed Thursday after placing the order on a Friday, so shipping was fast.
I’ve slept in it for 3 days now (Queen Soft) and I haven’t woken up sore and stiff like I used to. I still have some left over knots in my neck from before, but I don’t feel that more knots are being added every time I go to bed like it seemed with my old mattress.
I actually slept in it for about 13 hours straight this weekend as I became ill, and still didn’t have the morning stiffness as before. Doing that in my last bed would have left my body wrecked for days.
So far, I’m very pleased with the bed. The soft seems to have been a great choice for my sleeping habits. I can sleep comfortably on my side, while also feeling fine if laying on my back for short periods of time.
The free pillow is nice too. Its a standard length pillow I think, but pretty thick and fluffy. A bit thicker than I prefer for side sleeping, but it makes a great pillow to throw on the couch when watching TV.
Hi Karln2003,
Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback … I appreciate it
It’s great to hear that your mattress is working out so well for you.
Phoenix