Brooklyn Bedding Best Mattress Ever

Hi DarkJojo,

I’m not sure you’re clear between the difference between a box spring and a foundation, so I’ll describe each for you just to be sure.

A box spring has springs inside it that flex under the mattress and there are very few one sided mattresses today that use them as a support system and in many cases they will invalidate a mattress warranty. Most mattresses in the industry today need a steel or wooden bedframe with a foundation that has minimal to no flex (vs a box spring that flexes), or a platform bed which also has little to no flex under the mattress. There are many in the industry that mix up the terminology between box springs and foundations even though they are very different products, so this can make it quite confusing.

A foundation or platform bed with the proper slat spacing would be an appropriate surface upon which to place your mattress. Nothing additional would be needed.

Phoenix

(in reply to Phoenix’s post 735 from January 31st, in case anyone is wondering)

Thanks Phoenix! I half expected to be told that :). But I thought I’d ask, in case there were guidelines for lighter people (I recalled seeing some for heavier BMIs…but I could have misremembered).

I had used BB’s chat feature a few months ago, and the person I spoke with recommended the soft. Last week, I gave them a call as you suggested and the woman I spoke with recommended a medium, with the promise of a complementary mattress pad if it turned out to be too firm for me.

Her reasoning was that she wasn’t sure if I would be more comfortable with a soft or a medium, but with a medium the topper was an option. If the soft was too soft there would be nothing they could do to remedy the situation. It sounded logical to me, so that’s what I just ordered.

I’ll let you know how everything works out. Thanks for maintaining this incredibly helpful site!

Hi dontberidiculous,

Thanks for the reply.

While higher BMIs will definitely need more specific and durable materials, people with a lower BMI would find this to be more of an issue of their own personal comfort preference (of course making sure the materials used meet the minimum recommended durability guidelines). It is true that some people with lower BMIs tend to enjoy materials that are slightly “softer”, but that would be a generalization.

It is true that it’s much easier to add plushness to a product that provides adequate support but has a bit “too firm” of a surface comfort, but it is difficult to take a product that is too plush and make it “harder” on the surface.

Oh, and congratulations on your new mattress! :cheer: You certainly made a good quality/value choice. I’ll be interested in your feedback on it.

Phoenix

Hello everyone, I just had a quick question. I ordered a Brooklyn bedding best mattress ever, and was wondering in gerneral, how long after opening the bed and letting the bed expand before you can actually sleep on it? I had tried a Leesa previously, the off gassing was pretty bad. I literally let it set for 3 days before I could lay on it due to the odor. Otherwise it seemed expanded in 2 days. Anyone with insight or if you have anything to add Phoenix, I would be much obliged. Im just really excited to try the bed out. Thanks and happy hump day!

Hello Sleepyyinva (and all)-

I’m also new on the forum as of a few minutes ago (and I’m in Virginia as well!) We just received our BME (soft) yesterday. Opened it at 6 PM and had a great night’s sleep on it last night. I think it’s ready to sleep on pretty quickly- an hour or two really- but it will take several days for it to fully, completely expand. From what I’ve read, it does not hurt the mattress to sleep on it almost immediately (or we wouldn’t have done so.)

I researched heavily for a couple of weeks before ordering the mattress. This site was immensely helpful in making my decision. We had slept on an original 8" Tempur-Pedic for the last 13 years, and wanted something softer and more responsive. I’m extremely happy after the first night, my wife not so much. I feel like the mattress is very soft; she feels as though it’s firmer! (Phoenix’s writing about individual experiences being drastically different is spot-on!) Time will tell, and I’ll update as we go.

Thanks for this site, Phoenix!

Great to know. I also ordered the soft based on the mattress recommendations I found here and after speaking to a sales rep. Initially, they recommended the medium. I went with the soft after much deliberation. I am 6’ 140lbs, partner is 5’6 130lbs. We both prefer a softer comfort layer. They told me they would send me a topper if the medium was too firm. I am a gambling man lol.

Hi Sleepyinva,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

Congratulations on ordering your new Best Mattress Ever :cheer: (I see form your other post you hose the Soft). You certainly made a good quality/value choice. I’ll be interested in your opinion on the product once you’ve had it for a while.

Once you cut open the product, it will “inflate” within a few minutes, and most people sleep upon it the first night. There is very little odor, as this product is using latex and polyfoam, as opposed to memory foam, which is what many people are sensitive to as far as odor. I would expect “complete” expansion within the first few days.

Phoenix

Hi Dr.Ake,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

Thank you for the feedback to Sleepyinva on your new BME mattress – and congratulations to you on your new mattress as well! :cheer: I’m happy that you’ll provide us updates as time goes on with your experience with your selection.

And I’m glad you found the information presented here on the site useful.

Phoenix

Quick update after three nights. Extremely happy with the mattress! Wifey is happier now, too. I realize that three days isn’t much time, but quite honestly I LOVED it after just the first night. I had done most, if not all, of the research and knew what to expect. My wife, despite my explaining the differences between what we had (memory foam) and what we were getting (latex with slight plush/pillowtop) were, missed the more soft-top feel of the memory foam, and felt that this was firmer. She’s adjusting nicely and I honestly don’t see the need for any adjustments, returns, etc. in the future. My back hasn’t felt this good getting out of bed (at home) in a long time. I have felt tension and mild soreness in my lower back in the mornings for quite some time, and that is gone. We’re both side sleepers. I’m 6’ 180 lbs. and wife is 5’10" 150 lbs. The BME soft really seems to have been a good choice for us!

Now to buy a protector. Looking at this. Made in Spain, and looks like it won’t interfere with the feel and touch of the mattress.

Hi Dr.Ake,

Thanks for the quick update on your mattress. I’m glad both you and your wife are adjusting well in such a short timeframe. I’m hoping that you’ll be able to share more updates after you’ve had a chance to use the mattress for a while longer.

Regarding the protector, it looks to be a pretty standard design using a polyurethane film under the top panel for the waterproof capacity. It’s similar to many of the mattress protectors discussed in post #89 here.

Phoenix

What exactly makes a surface/foundation appropriate for this mattress (or any foam mattress)?

We bought a “platform” bed from Costco which is quite nice aside from I don’t think it provides proper support. It has the traditional three slats with two support legs on each slat and five “planks” that extend the entire surface creating what looks like a complete platform surface. The 16 or so inches at the foot of the bed is a solid frame that has drawers underneath. The issue is that the planks are like quarter inch particle boards and are flexible. They’re less flexible when screwed to the slats and end of frame. However, I can press down on the planks and there is noticible flexing, particularly between the slats.

When I first assembled the bed and was immediately concerned by the planks, I created three additional slats from pine boards to narrow the gaps between slats. Due to some variances in measurements (the stock slats are a bit less tall then boards I can buy), this created issues with the two sets of slats having different heights. As a result, the plank surface was actually less stable than with just the three. The mattress felt different in different places, as the platform surface appeared to flex more in different places (when pressed down on without the mattress). In some places (like my side of the bed), the mattess felt quite firm and getting firmer as the night went on to the point of feeling almost bottomed out and hard. This was particularly the case around my lower back which felt lower than my feet or head by morning My wife’s side felt quite a bit softer and she didn’t have issues to this extent. .

I’ve since ditched the extra slats going back to the stock three slat setup with the planks. The mattress on this setup does feel better and more stable. It’s not quite as firm and hasn’t seemed to have sagged/bottomed out as the night goes on. It still doesn’t feel as nice as on the floor and I worry that with time it’ll get worse. We put the mattress directly in the floor last weekend. It felt quite nice and soft on the floor.

So, what makes a good surface for the mattress and how might I best test the surface to determine if it is appropriate? I’ve debated ditching this mattress (we’ve had it maybe 70 days) and just cutting my losses and going with a traditional box spring and inner coil setup. However, I don’t think want to give up quite yet.

I’ve thought about ditching the stock slats and creating 10 or so pine slats (~3" apart). However, the two rail supports that the slats screw into ends maybe 8" before the headboard meaning that the 8"'or so of the mattress at our heads would be unsupported. Unless we used the planks, I suppose. But there would be some flexing in that spot. I also thought about trying to find a bunkie board locally but am not confident in that. I’d want to be able to return it if it doesn’t work out., so I wouldn’t want to buy online. The last thought was buying a box spring (well, foundation…can you even buy box springs with springs in them anymore?). Will furniture stores just sell a box spring? Would it work well with this mattress?

What about this foundation? Would it provide a good surface? If so, would it best go on the three slats or the planks (with slats supporting underneath, obviously)?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OEXUB5I/ref=asc_df_B00OEXUB5I4889373/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B00OEXUB5I&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168221741416&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1640949490629864674&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018952&hvtargid=pla-273778474460#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1489804077234

If it matters, I’m 6’0" and about 150ish pounds. Wife is 5’7" and a bit more in weight (currently pregnant).

Sorry for the super long post. I hope it makes sense. I could get pictures if they’d help. Thanks!

Hi atomheartmother-

Brooklyn Bedding says this on their FAQ page: “Any type of support system that provides minimal to no flex will work with our mattress.” That said, I’d think that a uniform distance of slats or planks around 3-4 inches apart would be best. We just set up a new Costco (purchased at 20% off!) platform bed underneath our three-week old BME. For under-bed storage, we put the whole thing up on bed risers, so we have a lot of room underneath.

Costco version of the bed:
https://www.costco.com/Blackstone-Upholstered-Square-Stitched-Platform-King-Bed.product.100306333.html

Same from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00W4DCVLW/ref=twister_B01LA79EEO?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Risers:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N25SDI5?psc=1

You certainly want a uniform, level surface under the bed, The foundation you ask about looks like it has slightly larger gaps than ideal. Probably better to just build or buy. Ikea has what looks like pretty good ones:

Hope this helps-
Drake

Hi atomheartmother,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

It seems as if the issue you have is with your platform bed, not the mattress, because as you stated the mattress feels good when placed upon the floor (which is representative of the type of surface that you’d want under your mattress). The appropriate style of foundation you’d want under your mattress is discussed in more detail in the foundation thread here.

In a nutshell, you want a surface that doesn’t flex, and unfortunately the bed that you currently have doesn’t provide that level of solidity, so I wouldn’t recommend using it with any mattress (innerspring or foam) unless you properly reinforce it. As I’m not completely familiar with the construction of your platform bed, it sounds like at a minimum you’d need to provide more reinforcement under the deck. As an example, you could choose replace all of the slats (so that the height is uniform) and reinforce these as T-slats. Even with more slats, you still might need to go with a thicker top deck than what you currently have.

You could use a flexible slat system like from IKEA as Dr.Ake recommended, but I still don’t know if your support slat system would be adequate, and a bowed slat system will slightly change the feel of the mattress. You certainly can purchase a foundation (like what you linked to – and there are other vendors listed in the foundation thread I linked to above), and it would provide an appropriate surface, but again I’m unsure of the adequacy of your slat network as it currently stands. For a mattress with a polyfoam base, you want no more than 5" between the top slats of any foundation, and 3"-4" is even better. I can’t speak to the quality of the item you linked, and the distance between their slats is 4.75", so it’s on the cusp of what I would recommend.

In the end, the mattress has no choice but to conform to what it is placed upon, and this will influence your comfort, so I would focus on addressing your support system and making this as solid as possible so that it mimics the floor, and then you should have an appropriate sleeping surface and your mattress should feel much better.

You’re welcome to post photos to the thread and I’ll do my best to comment upon what you provide.

Phoenix

Dr.Ake,

Thank you for taking the time to share your experience and your current setup!

Phoenix

Thanks for the help! So does a foam mattress need an inherently different foundation system than an inner spring? Every bed I’be ever had has had the simple three slats. I’ve only ever had an inner spring mattress with box springs (well, foundations, I’ve never seen one with springs). I’ve never had issues. So a foundation/box spring like you’d get with an inner spring mattress would be insufficient for a foam mattress? BB makes it seem like it would be since they list it as one of the possible foundation options. In fact, it’s what’s pictured as the foundation in the picture of the mattress on their website. So, I guess I’m confused.

Thoughts on these foundations:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AS4WAB4/ref=psdcmw_3733071_t1_B01HIR5FYS

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01HIR5ENK#Ask

Final note: it looks like people who bought the foundation I linked in my precious post have added additional slats to decrease the spacing between slats. If I did that, would this foundation make my bed setup satisfactory? Or are there still deficiencies?

Hi atomheartmother,

Modern mattresses, whether one-sided innersprings or foam mattresses, need to be placed upon a firm and flat surface that has minimal flex.

I think you’re confusing the platform that a mattress would be placed upon directly with the support structure (bed se) used underneath a mattress and foundation combination. When a mattress alone is placed upon a platform bed, if it is a slatted network there should be no more than 3" between the slats if latex (no more than 5" if a mattress using a polyfoam core or an innerspring product), and those slats should be reinforced so that they do not sag. If you have a mattress set (mattress and foundation), ideally you’d want at least five cross slats in a headboard/footboard bed set to support the foundation, and you’d want to make sure that those slats had some sort of reinforcement so that they don’t sag. Unfortunately, many bed sets are shipping these days with only three slats.

It depends upon the internal construction of the foundation to make sure that the top slat network of the foundation (if a wood foundation) has gaps no more than 5". Metal semi-flex foundations are often used with polyfoam core mattresses, but over time the foam can press into the grid network. This is explained in more detail in the foundation thread I linked to in my earlier reply.

I’m not completely familiar with the Zinus foundations you looked at but there appears to be larger gaps between the steel beams than I would recommend, and the thin wire on the other foundation looks to have a large unsupported span where it could sag over time.

I’m not familiar with and I don’t know how you would add slats to the other foundation that you linked to previously, and I wouldn’t recommend purchasing a foundation that you potentially had to modify. I’d instead recommend to purchase a foundation that is sufficient construction to meet your needs, like something along the line of this.

Phoenix

Thank you for you help. I probably wasn’t clear in describing the bed frame vs the foundation. I understand the difference. The Zinus foundation (the 4" one) looks nearly identical to the one sold by Brooklyn Bedding, but I suppose it’s not worth the risk or hassle.

At this point, I don’t know if any of this is worth the hassle. The foundation you linked looks nice, but really too much at $340. I’ll likely just return the mattress and picked up a traditional inner spring/box spring combo at a local furniture store. I’ll chalk it up to being mislead by Costco into thinking this bed was an appropriate platform bed. I’d honestly return the bed, but it seems to be the biggest hassle by far.

Thanks.

I’m reconsidering the US Box Spring. What would I have to do to make sure that my bed will be sound, sturdy, and supportive enough for this foundation? It’s a king sized bed. It has three slats that each have two support legs (about a foot apart, 6" each from center). The last 18" of the bed leading to the foot is a solid piece under which are drawers. So, it’s probably more the equivalent of 4-5 slats.

I’m attaching pictures. They’re not good but they’re the best I can get without taking the mattress of and disassembling the bed. First picture is near the headboard to the footboard. The second is the opposite starting just forward of the footboard/drawer section.

Before I drop another $340, I’m hoping to make sure that this is a solution that will provide proper support for the mattress.

Hi atomheartmother,

Thank you for the photos of your bed set.

If you chose to use the foundations like the USBoxSpring you mentioned, those would work fine upon your existing set up as pictured. The main support would be from the three cross slats with the legs down to the floor that you showed in the photos, and the “sagging” that you’re getting from the thin decking would not be noticed. I would just make sure that you choose the appropriate thickness of foundation so that your mattress doesn’t sit up too high, and also be sure that your leg height is adjusted appropriately if there was a glide adjustment at the bottom of the support legs…

Phoenix

Thanks for your help. I order the foundation. We’ll have to check it out Friday when it arrives.

Should I leave the fiberboard deck planks on or pull them off (foundation directly on the slats)? I suppose the decking really wouldn’t be adding anything.

Is there any value to replacing the slats with nice hardwood slats (the current ones are some painted plywood)? Or are they fine assuming they don’t flex and don’t break?