I’m looking to add another 1 inch layer to the top of my bed and also gain some temperature regulation, I sleep hot. My original thought was to add a 1 inch wool topper (snug fleece) and see if that solved my problems. My next step was to add a 1 inch layer of soft latex under the wool topper. I recently came across Celsion latex (I believe it is GL fast response now?) and I’m wondering if I can kill two birds with one stone. However, I can only find one supplier of Celsion toppers and there is little information on how effective the temperature regulation is.
Any ideas on where I can buy GL talalay toppers and how they might compare to wool toppers when it comes to temperature regulation?
I don’t know of any specific comparative information about how Celsion (which as you mentioned is now called Talalay GL fast response) compares to Talatech blended Talalay (which is already one of the most breathable foam materials) but I would say the difference would be “slight” (which is how it is characterized on the Pure Latex Bliss site) and like most gel materials it would be more effective at the beginning of the night when you were first going to sleep than it would be once temperatures equalize when you have been on the mattress for a while.
Ventilation and moisture wicking is the most effective technology in terms of temperature regulation over the course of the night (which is why wool is a more effective temperature regulating material). Gel foam technology can add a slight secondary benefit but would not be a primary source of “cooling”. There is more about the factors that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here.
Sleep Like a Bear here sells Celsion (Talalay GL fast response) in 1" - 3" thicknesses and all sizes. KTT enterprises may not carry it in stock but should be able to order it for you if they don’t and some of the others listed in post #4 here may also be able to order it as a special order.
Joemokins, did you ever buy/find the celsion latex? I ask because I too am looking for celsion latex. I have only found it readily available at sleeplikeabear. I asked if KTT carries it or could order it, but I haven’t heard back yet.
Anybody know what the difference is between the celsion 21 ILD 3" layer and the 3" rejuvenite talalay GL fast, both of which are on sleeplikeabear? Seems like the same thing just different branding and one comes with a cover. I ask because the rejuvenite is almost 150 cheaper in the eastern king size.
The Talalay GL is the new name for Celsion and is just a different name. Here is a quote from the Sleep Like a Bear site …
Rejuvenite is their tradename for manufactured toppers and pillows (rather than latex layers or cores). The Talalay GL topper with a zip cover here is $427 and the Rejuvenite topper here is $395 (both in Eastern King Size) so I’m not sure where the $150 price difference is that you are referring to. The difference may be partly because the Rejuvenite is made as a topper by Latex International at the factory and in the difference in the covers but Evelyn will be more familiar with how they compare and any reasons for the price difference than I am.
The Talalay GL is the new name for Celsion and is just a different name. Here is a quote from the Sleep Like a Bear site …[/quote]
Yeah that’s what I thought too. That’s why I was confused.
If you change the size to eastern king for both the added cost for the one described as celsion goes to 795 and the rejuvenite is 650. So technically 145. Regardless I will send a message to sleeplikeabear and find out if there is a difference. Great way to save a little money if they are in fact the same product.
Also wanted to thank you for all of your contributions, not just with this thread. While this may be my first posts, it certainly isn’t the first time I have read and used the information in your posts. So thank you for all the help you have provided both me and to all the other users of this website.
Edit: Ok so I haven’t figured out how to split up quotes yet. Sorry for the confusing looking post. Edit 2: maybe that looks better.
Just want to follow up, sleeplikeabear confirmed exactly what Phoenix said. 5 year vs 20 year warranty, added cost for return policy. But they also confirmed that the foam is the exact same foam. Reason for cheaper price is limited ild which allows mass production which lowers cost plus other mentioned factors (warranty/return policy). Personally I’m not sure the added cost would be worth it.
I have a message into to KTT, as Phoenix mentioned, but I imagine they will have to contact Latex International to find out if they can get it, so I don’t expect a response until the work week. Out of curiosity, is KTT a memeber here and do they offer any kind of discount to members of this website?
Interesting, when they contacted me back with prices and they quoted me for mattresses. However upon closer inspection, it looks like they don’t sell a particular combo as a mattress rather you pick out your ilds and layers and then they sell it as a mattress at the same price as if you were buying individual layers.
Regardless, I have a question regarding my mattress selection. My wife and I tried the PLB beautiful and nature in a store this weekend. I liked the nature although it was on the firm side of my comfort range (too firm for the wife). My wife liked the beautiful, but it was on the soft side of her comfort range. (too soft for me). So naturally we wanted a model somewhere between these two mattresses as we believe we would both be happy. Our thought was to use the ILDs from the nature (21 and 28 vs 21 and 24 for the beautiful) and the thickness of the layers from the the beautiful (3’ for the top two layers vs 2" in the nature).
Any opinions on this. I am worried that this may not “firm” the mattress up enough being a small change in the ILD of the second layer. My wife definitely liked the sinking in feeling she got with the 6" of top layers. That’s why we thought of switching the layers to the nature and keeping the thickness of the beautiful vs using the beautiful layers with the nature thickness.
There isn’t any way for me to know how well this will work for either or both of you in terms of PPP but as you mentioned it would b a small increment firmer than the Beautiful and a fair bit softer then the Nature.
I would think it would be closer to the Beautiful than the Nature.
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I would think it would be closer to the Beautiful than the Nature.
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What about keeping the 3" soft 21 celsion layer but only have 2 inches of 28 below? Think that would be more in middle? Or am I going about this wrong? Maybe the better question is if you were going to build a mattress to fit between the Nature and Beautiful, what would you do? Again I really appreciate you taking the time to talk through this with me.
Yes that’s what I would probably do to if I wanted to “move” it closer to the middle of the range in between the two IMO although I can’t speak to how well this would “match” your individual needs and preferences in terms of PPP (there are too many unknowns and variables involved to be able to know this for someone else … see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
Yes that’s what I would probably do to if I wanted to “move” it closer to the middle of the range in between the two IMO although I can’t speak to how well this would “match” your individual needs and preferences in terms of PPP (there are too many unknowns and variables involved to be able to know this for someone else … see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
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So KTT can get the celsion. Here is what I am thinking about for my Eastern King mattress: 3" 21 ILD Celsion on top, 2" 28 ILD Talatech second layer, 6" 36 ILD Talatech for the core. Instead of just buying a 2" 28ILD layer, I am going to purchase the 3" 28 ILD Talatech and have them give me a 2" and 1" layer. This way I can test the 2" first and if we need it we will have the extra one to add in there. They have quoted a price of 1560 for the layers and 306 for the shipping. Any opinions on price? Seems pretty good especially with the Celsion layer, but shipping sure is expensive. Of course these mattresses are heavy but it still stinks.
Also this does not include the cover. Any options on covers, especially if I go with the 11" mattress. I can find plenty of 10 and 12 mattress covers but I dont see anything in between. May have to be a custom order? If that’s the case it may be cheaper to add an inch of extra firm Talatech to the bottom (like the old PLBs did) just to make it a standard size. Not sure what would be more expensive an inch of Talatech or the extra cost associated with customizing an enclosure. Opinions welcome.
Post #4 here has several sources for covers that may be worth talking to. I don’t know which of them could provide an 11" cover but your idea of adding an extra inch would also work well if all you can find is 12". You could also use an inch of very firm polyfoam like version 1 of the PLB.
Made my purchase the other day. Expected to ship on Tuesday. Maybe get it by next weekend. Went with the 21 ILD celsion 3", 2" 28 ild talatech, 1" 28 ild talatech (just to test to make sure we like the layering) and 6" 36 ild taltech as the core. Thanks for all your help. I’ll be sure to report back once we have tried it out.
I am going to wait on getting the cover. Can’t decide if we want a quilted cover with extra padding or the minimum padding to get us as close to latex as possible.
Also KTT said that if we choose to not use the extra inch of 28 ild then we can exchange it for an extra firm to use as the base. This would make us a 12" mattress and there are lots of options for a 12" mattress cover. Of course I assume there will be some charge, but I imagine it would be cheaper to exchange than buying a new piece of firm foam. We really wanted to test the extra layer despite believing we probably won’t use it. However, as said earlier, the exchange will still get us a twelve inch mattress so we get into the much wider variety of mattress covers, plus no customizing charge. With all of that factored in, we felt it made sense to purchase an extra inch of latex that we might not need/use.
I will be sure to give immediate impressions when I receive it, plus I will try my best to remember to give my impressions after a few months.
PS I made sure they knew where I had found out about them and they acknowledges that they had received a lot of traffic from this site. By the way, they were great with all my questions and very patient with me going back and forth with what I wanted to do.
I think this all sounds like a good plan and I agree that any shipping for an exchange would be less than a new layer so that sounds like a good idea as well.
So I have slept on the mattress (just the foam with a sheet over it) for only a few nights so I don’t have a lot of specific input other than it is a night and day difference in how well I sleep, so glad we made the purchase. I did have a question though.
After trying for a few nights, I do think my preference would be to have the 3" 21 ILD celsion over 2" 28 ILD talalay over 6" of 36 ILD Talalay. This means I would exchange the 1" layer of 28 ILD talalay for KTT’s firmest talalay layer in 1" to go on the bottom. My question is however, should I purchase my cover before I exchange? I have read, on this site actually, that the cover, depending on its properties, will actually firm the layers and I’m worried it will significantly change the feel of the mattress. Any opinions? What covers are more firming and what type are less firming?
Second question, anybody use adjustable bases? I was thinking about one and have been able to find 3 manufacturers, Leggett and Platt, ergomotion, and Reverie. Any others I should be looking at? Any recommendations for a model or a manufacturer, and of course where to get a good deal.
I think that this would be a good idea yes. You can read more about the effects of different types of covers and quilting materials in post #12 here and the posts it links to.
Many people use adjustable bases yes (and I’m one of them :)). There is more about choosing an adjustable base in post #3 here and the adjustable bed thread it links to and it also includes some sources that you can use as a “value” reference as well.
