Hi everyone,
A few months ago. I decided that my 10 year-old innerspring mattress from Original Mattress Factory needed to go (I believe it was a “plush” model, and I’m quite certain the springs were not individual pocketed springs). I was having lower back pain in the morning that went away after a half hour or so, and it felt too soft generally.
My wife and I were initially thinking of buying either a component mattress from SleepEZ or a cheaper foam mattress. As a result, a few months ago I built a new foundation, since the boxspring we had been using actually had springs, and because I’m pretty sure the gaps were too large for a latex mattress. My first post was about building that foundation, which can be seen in post #13 .
Part of the attraction of latex was motion separation. In the old mattress, tossing and turning by one of us, or even getting out of bed, would disturb the other. In addition, I believe I need something with firmer support than the old mattress, given the lower back pain (and that mattress definitely wasn’t too firm).
The first new mattress we tried was the Casper. My initial instinct was that it felt really hard, though it felt good when on my back (or stomach). After the first night I woke up with pretty bad middle and upper back pain. I then switched to a thinner pillow, which helped, but at the end I ultimately decided it was just too firm or otherwise not good because I continued to have middle/upper back and shoulder pain, and so it got returned. I think I slept on my stomach more than normal when on this mattress.
Here are the details about us:
Me: 6’5", 210 lbs. I think I am mostly a side-forward sleeper (with my top leg forward leaned over toward stomach, half side/half stomach), though I think I also sleep on my back some, and I often fall asleep on my stomach though I’m not sure how long I stay like that. And, to be honest, I think my sleeping style varies by mattress - on softer mattresses I’m more likely to end up on my side, and on harder ones my stomach or back. I should also say that I’m reasonably athletic/broad shouldered, which I think merits a somewhat thicker comfort layer per instructions on this site. That said, I would normally say I prefer a firmer mattress, though the Casper was definitely too firm.
Wife: 5’2", 125 lbs. Side sleeper, prefers firmer rather than softer feel. She’s much less picky than me - at least in this dimension :). She would be been willing to keep the Casper, though I think it was also a bit firm for her taste. So my goal is going to be to get something that will work for both of us, keeping in mind that her acceptable range is probably larger than mine.
Currently we are sleeping on a queen-sized S-brand mattress from the guest room. It’s a little soft, though it is much better for side sleeping than the Casper (though I do think I bottom out and get pressure points a bit). I get a bit of lower back and upper back soreness, though less so when sleeping by myself on that mattress (don’t ask why that sometimes happens - the explanation is not as entertaining as it sounds.)
I’ve looked in my area for a high-quality mattress using links from Phoenix, but the Restonic mattresses near me have memory foam and polyfoam as well as talalay latex (I think the latex is mostly a marketing thing). In addition, the Cal King could not be returned if it was uncomfortable, though the price was great. As a result, I’ve decided to go all latex. We laid on the Pure Latex Bliss mattresses, and liked the overall feel, and specifically that of the firmer Nature and Pamper. We tried both with toppers (a medium, which I think is still pretty soft), which means there was a combined 5 - 6" of softer foam as a comfort layer over a pretty firm support layer. If I knew that one of those PLB mattresses would end up working well for me, I’d get over the sticker shock and buy it, in large part because I feel pretty badly about trying something in a brick and mortar store and then ordering elsewhere based in part on that. In that way I envy the people living in Phoenix, AZ, who can go try out mattresses at the two layered-latex places there (mattresses.net and sleepez). But ultimately I’m worried about my ability to forecast how well the mattress will work for me despite the helpful instructions Phoenix has laid out in his posts here.
So I’ve decided to go DIY. That’s in large part because I’m a DIY kind of guy, which means I’m up for the adventure and trial and error and (hopefully) the final satisfaction of getting the mattress dialed in by selecting layers myself. The preference for DIY is also in part because I can choose from a greater set of ILDs than the typical online retailers offer. My wife isn’t so picky, so I think I can use most if not all of what doesn’t work for me on her side and it’ll probably be okay, within reason. My tentative plan now is to order a 4-way stretch cover from SleepEZ, and to order foam from KTT Enterprises and mattresses.net.
I know there’s some risk - mattresses.net doesn’t do returns on components (though their prices are very good), though KTT does a one-time 30 day exchange for $20 plus shipping both ways. Depending on how things go with the first purchases, if necessary I might also just order another layer and turn the unwanted layer into beds for my two dogs. They sleep on memory foam now (which has held up well - much better than previous poly foams), and the curious side of me wonders what they’d prefer if they could choose one or the other side-by-side. They don’t care much about marketing, so it’d be a pretty clean test.
Total cost, including the cover, would be around $1500 for a 9" mattress, and around $500 more for a 12" mattress, including the necessary covers. Here are my options:
- Buy a 6" cover (the stretchy one from SleepEZ), and initially buy 6" latex and sleep on it for a bit. After that, I could decide whether I want a 2" or 3" topper (and in what ILD). If I went with this, I think initially I’d go with this layout:
Top layer - 3" split between 24 and 28 ILD (so we can try both)
Bottom layer - 3" split between 40 and 44 ILD (so we can try both)
If I went with this option, I’m 90% sure I’d end up buying a topper as well (for a total of 8" or 9"), but I’d have the advantage of sleeping on the 6" first to see which topper we might want (2" or 3", 19 or 24 or 28 ILD). I could also at least see what 24 over 28 over 44 (or 40) feels like. The downside is that this option precludes moving to a 12" mattress - or it at least means I’d have to spend another $160 on a new cover in order to do that.
- Buy an 8" or 9" cover, and initially buy 8" or 9" of latex and sleep on it. Then, if I decide I want it to be softer, or have the feel of a “thicker” mattress, buy another 3" of firm latex (in 36 or 40 or 44 ILD) for the bottom, and then move the soft layer outside of the cover as a topper. Under this scenario, I think I’d go with the following:
Top layer - 2 or 3", of 19 or 24 ILD, all one piece (I’m leaning toward 19 ILD)
Middle layer - 3", split between 24 and 28 ILD
Bottom layer - 3", split between 40 and 44 ILD
A few notes: I’m mixing and matching the ILDs to maximize the number of configurations I can try without exchanging anything. I’m pretty sure I want at least 4" of softer latex on the top given my experience with Casper, and I suspect I may want 6", but I’m not sure. I also figure I’ll go quite firm on the bottom layers, in part to compensate for the fact that I’ll potentially have 6" of softer latex above it rather than 4 or 5, and in part because we both liked the firm feel of the Pamper that had a firm lower layer (I thought the Nutrition felt too soft and a bit unstable).
Here are my questions:
i) Which of these two options seems more sensible as a place to start, keeping in mind that sleeping on different things is ultimately what I probably need to figure out what works best? Money isn’t a huge consideration, except that I’d rather not throw away dollars for nothing.
ii) If I go with option 2, what should I go with for the top layer - 19 ILD or 24 ILD? I must say I liked the feel of the softer PLB topper, and the 19 ILD will be a bit firmer than that.
iii) Do you have any other suggestions on alternative ILDs for either one of these two options?
I think I’ll start ordering stuff this week, so I’d love any feedback or suggestions. I look forward to hearing what Phoenix and others have to say.
Thanks!
EDIT: Option 2 can be either an 8" or 9" mattress, depending on if I think I should go for 5" or 6" in comfort layers…so many options…