Dormeo Octaspring Mattress

Actually, I read pretty all much of these threads before creating my account.

As for the material, they don’t really know. The seller told me that the companies don’t tell them specs like that because it messed up customers… well, I’m not sure it’s the good reason but oh well, I don’t like to get an argument with a seller.

I’m living in Quebec City, CA.

I’ve checked other places for the same mattress and it seems the price is quite good. I’m just worried by the durability of the mattress, more of the springs in fact. Moreover, maybe it’s just me, but I feel the springs in my back, not sure it’s quite good.

I was thinking buying a Tempur but I’m afraid I’ll get to much heat. Still, it’s a lot of money and I really don’t want to make a bad choice… :frowning:

Hi Mercador,

I would be very cautious with buying any mattress where you can’t confirm the quality and durability of the materials inside it because without this information it’s not possible to make any meaningful comparisons with other mattresses and you would be making a very risky purchase (see the guidelines here).

I haven’t done a great deal of research in Quebec partly because of the language barrier but the better options or possibilities I’m aware of (subject to the “value” guidelines I linked in my last reply) are listed in post #276 here.

As you know from your reading here the value of a mattress has little to do with it’s regular price or the amount of any discount on the mattress. If for example a mattress is twice the cost of another mattress but uses lower quality and less durable materials then even if you were to buy it at half the regular price it would still be a lower quality/value mattress and have a shorter useable lifetime than the other mattress that used higher quality and more durable materials.

You can’t “feel” the quality or the durability of the materials in a mattress and lower quality and less durable materials can feel the same as higher quality and more durable materials in a showroom … they just don’t last as long. This is why it’s always important to make sure a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) AND that you also make sure that there isn’t more than about an inch or so of unknown or lower quality materials in a mattress (see this article). If a retailer either can’t or won’t provide you with the information you need to make an informed choice or doesn’t understand the importance of making sure that a mattress uses good quality materials then I would pass the mattress by because the risks of the premature loss of comfort and support relative to the price you paid would be too high.

The “value” of a mattress always depends on …

  1. Testing the mattress for PPP
  2. Checking the quality of the materials inside it to make sure there are no weak links in the mattress
  3. Comparing the mattress for “value” based on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix

Dormeo is very hush hush about the specific materials in the mattress (proprietary) and I think that’s a bit of an issue, especially if someone wants to be reassured about toxins. Just an observation, but Eastern Europe isn’t the first place I think of when it comes quality or full disclosure.

Hi slewmart,

At least they have disclosed some of their specs so they are “somewhat” transparent.

To the best of my knowledge …

The MemoryCoils are 5 lb density memory foam
The Eco-cell EcoSprings are polyfoam that range from 2.5 - 3.5 lb density.
The top 1.5" - 2" layers in the Octaspring and Dolce lines are also memory foam which I believe is 3 lb density.
The Serenite line includes a 2" layer of Talalay latex (I don’t know if it’s blended or 100% natural but I would guess it’s blended)

Phoenix

Hello,

After a bad car accident (hit by a drunk), I found that my firm mattress wasn’t cutting it for me any longer. My spine was just too stiff.

So, approximately 1 year ago my doctor advised a more suitable bed, and I found the Octaspring. I referred to this very thread, I believe, and noticed a general lack of reviews for this product, so I’ll share my non-expert opinion here so perhaps others in my position will have an easier time deciding.

I ended up purchasing an Octaspring 8500 from Sleep Country Canada, who at the time had a Canada-wide exclusive on the model (believe they might have renewed it, though it was due to expire at the time). The price they were asking, including the bed platform was approximately $4000 + tax CDN, which again at the time was roughly equivalent to the US dollar (if not a little stronger).

I tried the 6500 and found it too hard, but that’s only over 30 minutes of lying on it in the showroom. The 8500 was too expensive for my budget though. In the end, through hard negotiation with multiple locations (pitting salesman against salesman) I was able to purchase the mattress itself without the bed platform (retail ~$3300), for $2200, and I made them throw in two of the Octaspring Evolution Plus pillows as well (retail $159 each). This was a tough price to obtain… the salesman was adamant that he could to no better than $3000 on the mattress by itself… but I don’t give up easily.

As for the bed, I can tell you that the springs are NOT arranged exactly as shown in the literature. In fact, if you remove the mattress cover that it comes with, you can see only one colour of spring all the way around (the densest one). I called to ask about this and found out that the reason is that they want someone sitting on the edge of the bed not to crush the springs down, so the single row of dense springs at the edge allow for edge support (I suppose it keeps you from rolling off the side too). So, don’t be shocked if you cannot see all the different colours… they’re present, just not visible.

Be sure not to use a bed platform that varies from their solid-base design. It needs to be on something solid with not too many perforations or you’ll both void your warranty and damage the mattress. However, I don’t find the stock platform very worthwhile as a purchase and so I recommend the “Structures by Malouf Highrise” bed platform at about $100. It is durable, but you must find a way to make the base solid as it is heavy metal wire. I ziptied 5/8" plywood to the frame and it resulted in a super-strong base to place the mattress on. I’d put this setup against any Octaspring platform and come out the winner, and at 1/10th the price too.

The bed is definitely cooler than a solid foam mattress. I don’t have hard data to back that up, but you can tell the airflow is excellent.

On the 8500 you do seem to sink in a bit as the top layer seems fairly soft. I’d say the 8500 is just a 6500 with an additional softer layer on top. However, since I’m 6’6" and 210lbs, I found the 6500 a little bit too hard, especially given my sore back from the car accident. My wife, who is 5’7" and 105lbs found little difference between the 6500 and 8500 - she sinks in quite a bit less than I do on either bed.

Durability is hard to predict, but so far it’s been quite good after about one year of use. I don’t know if it will last 20+ years, but so far I haven’t noticed much of a change in the original feel/comfort of the foam. I think there is a very sleight imprint in the foam since I sleep in the same position each night, and while you cannot see this imprint, I think I can feel it a bit. No matter, it just makes it feel like the mattress is holding you a bit more snugly, so it’s not too bad of a feeling. Note that an Octaspring Mattress is not made to be flipped or rotated at all. Doing so voids the warranty and the manufacturer claims it’s not necessary and in fact harmful to the mattress to do so.

I have noticed that when I come to bed late, I no longer disturb my wife from her sleep. Movement is greatly reduced because the springs are independent from each other (largely, at least).

The pillows are a good match with the bed. My wife finds them too hard, but since I have a head like an Easter Island statue, I find it holds my head well though definitely on the firm side. It does allow for a good spine alignment though… everything ends up being pretty straight and comfortable. These pillows are really hard on stomach sleepers though - don’t buy them if you sleep that way. My wife sleeps on her stomach and finds the bed very comfortable, just not with one of those pillows.

I should also note that my mattress was manufactured in the U.S. (Texas, I believe) and showed up with some grime on one side underneath the zip-cover. I would not have noticed it except unzipping to see the colour of the springs, but when I called Octaspring they offered to have Sleep Country replace it if I wanted. Ultimately I didn’t feel the discolouration was enough to ask for a replacement. I don’t know if I was passed a “used” bed or not, but I think the odds are it was just stained at the factory and nobody noticed it before packing it up.

So, my verdict on the bed is that it’s a good choice provided you have the money to spend on it. Dollar-for-dollar against a more traditional coil spring bed, I don’t think it stands up so well. For example, my Sealy Posturpedic at $800 was better “bang for the buck” than the Octaspring 8500 at $2200, but the Octaspring is hands-down more comfortable if we forget about how much was spent. To summarize, if you have the money to spend on a high-end comfy bed, this is a good choice, especially if you’re worried about how hot a traditional memory foam mattress can be. Put up against all the other memory foam mattresses I tried out briefly, I would say it’s your only choice if excessive heat bothers you.

I think that’s all I have to say about the Octaspring for now, but I can probably answer general questions if there are any. I don’t frequent this website very often, but I’ll try to check over the next few days.

Hi Otrex,

Thanks for taking the time to share such detailed, balanced, and insightful comments about your Octaspring … I apreciate it!

It certainly seem like your 8500 is a great “match” for you in terms of PPP … and congratulations on your new mattress (a little belatedly) :slight_smile:

The Dormeo website here (click “technology”) and here have pictures that show the firmer edge support that you are mentioning.
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If a mattress is well inside the comfort/support range that is suitable for someone and isn’t close to the edge of the range that is too soft for them when it is new and it doesn’t have any weak links in the design then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with higher quality and more durable materials like latex or higher density memory foam or polyfoam (in the comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or even longer.

While the 5 lb memory foam and the 2.5 - 3.5 lb polyfoam they use are certainly higher quality and durable materials and there are no obvious weak links in the mattress … the cutaways of the foam springs would probably reduce durability to some degree. It’s also more realistic to think of about 10 years as a maximum reasonable expectation for any mattress no matter what the quality of the materials and then treat any additional time after that as “bonus time” because after about 10 years the limiting factor in the useful life of a mattress will often be the changing needs and preferences of the person sleeping on the mattress and even if a mattress is still in good condition after a decade … a mattress that was suitable for someone 10 years earlier may not be the best “match” any longer.

Having said that … with higher quality materials throughout a mattress and/or for people whose needs and preferences or physical condition or body type hasn’t changed much over 10 years then “bonus time” or even “extended bonus time” with higher quality/density and more durable materials like latex or higher density memory foam or polyfoam or natural fibers is much more likely than with less durable materials. With the most durable mattress constructions and materials it would be more likely that some people would sleep “well enough” on a mattress for 20 years before they cross the threshold into “tolerating” a mattress and deciding to replace it but I think this would be a fairly rare exception in the case of the Octaspring.

The Octaspring mattress can’t be flipped because it’s a one sided mattress but like all mattresses it could certainly benefit from occasionally rotating it 180 degrees which can help even out the wear and foam softening and may extend its useful life to some degree (see post #2 here).

Thanks once again for taking the time to share such helpful and detailed feedback.

Phoenix

Thank you for your response. I’m glad I could offer some review of what appears to be a fairly difficult product to find information on.

As to rotating the mattress, we were instructed by Octaspring not to rotate it at all because of the difference in the position of the springs for the head and foot of the mattress. Of course, if we can confirm that this is not the case, I’d be happy to rotate it, but based on the drawings I saw, you would indeed be swapping the zones around if you rotated it.

Hi Otrex,

If the zoning pattern is designed so that it’s not the same in both directions then I would agree that it shouldn’t be rotated but my understanding (which may not be correct) is that the zones are the same in both directions. There are some pictures here that also seem to indicate zoning that is symmetrical in both directions.

Phoenix

Thanks for the review, I got the 6500 yesterday so I will give my impressions after a while.

Though, is the logo should be in the head or the feets? Just to be sure…

Phoenix is correct, the zones are the same in both directions.

The Octaspring beds with one layer of octasprings have two firmnesses of memory foam divided into three zones: a firmer center zone and a less firm head and foot section.

In addition to that top layer of octasprings, those beds with two or more layers of octasprings have variable firmness in both the top two layers. The second layer has three firmnesses divided into five zones with, again, the center zone the firmest and symmetrical gradations as you head away from the center toward the head or feet.

Hi demackison,

Thanks for confirming that the zoning is the same in both directions :slight_smile:

Phoenix

Perhaps the new slogan for the Octaspring should be: “You can sit on it AND rotate!”

:whistle:

Hi Otrex,

Now that’s funny :slight_smile:

If they decide to use it you should get paid royalties!

Phoenix

Hi Otrex,

Thanks for the great review. It’s difficult to find any good reviews on the dormeo mattress. My wife and I just took delivery off this mattreess the 8500 in the last couple of days, also from sleep country Canada.

Your comment about your not sure if you had a “used” bed passed on to you or not caught my eye. Can you remember how your mattress came packeged when the delivery guys brought it in? ex. came in a sealed bed bag, in a box, or just in an open bag that was taped up?

Thanks,

Mine was in a sealed bag, but no box.

Mine was sealed in a bag, but no box. That doesn’t prove it wasn’t a return, of course, because it’s not hard to seal a return into a new bag. However, I doubt it is anything more than manufacturing grime since it’s a King size and frankly quite bulky. I imagine one side just dragged on the factory floor and they didn’t notice it. It would be strange to have the side soiled but no sign of anything on top of the mattress if it were a used item.

Ok, I was just wondering because ours came in what looked like a sealed up box that had straps around it with the dormeo brand on it, but then the mattress was just in an open ended bag and taped up. The cover is flawless without a mark anywhere on it (any mattress cover could help with that though)… I’ve spoke to customer service and distrubtion and they say dormeo packeges them both ways, some in a sealed bag and some in just an open bag, then boxed! :dry:

Hey folks, greetings from Toronto and I signed up specifically because of this thread.

Me and the Mrs. are in the market for our first ever king mattress and we drove over to Sleep Country since it’s close and would have a lot of beds on display.

What it came down to, ultimately, is two choices. One being these OctaSpring beds, and the other was called a Sealy Atrium that was solid memory foam with a euro top

I have to say that the “techie” in me loves the thought of the technology in the Dormeo mattress, but as you all have noted, there is little to no information out there other than this useful forum thread. And the little that is out there, is mostly negative. But you have to expect that people who are unhappy are ultimately going to be the ones posting about it while generally happy customers will not

I guess what I’m ultimately asking is, does anybody have any current opinions now that some time has gone by since the last response?

Any owners out there that can attest to how their bed is holding up?

And last but not least, Phoenix or anyone else, any thoughts on a Sealy Atrium if this Dormeo is not recommended?

Thank you all in advance for any help, I’ve subscribed to this thread

Cheers!

I also don’t like that a Dormeo rep posted here ONE time then never addressed a single follow up question after that. Take some lessons in Social Media guys, that’s weak

Hi rolex,

Their mattresses haven’t changed in terms of their materials or designs since the later replies in this topic and in post #2 and the rest of this topic as well so my thoughts about them would still be the same.

They haven’t been on the market for long enough for anyone to be able to really be able to make any meaningful comments about their durability based on actual experience. I would also be very cautious about using other people’s experiences or reviews on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how suitable or how durable a mattress or any specific material may be for you and in many cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on either in terms of suitability or durability (see post #13 here).

Outside of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) … a mattress is only as good as it’s construction and the quality/durability of the materials inside it regardless of the specific mattress or the name of the manufacturer that makes it and there are much more reliable ways to assess the quality/durability of a mattress or know whether it has any weak links in its design than using reviews (see this article and the quality/durability guidelines that it links to).

While there is no way to quantify how long any mattress will last for any particular person because there are too many unknowns and variables involved that are unique to each person, if a mattress is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and isn’t close to the edge of being too soft when it is new and meets the minimum quality specs that are suggested in the guidelines here then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with higher quality and more durable materials like latex or higher density memory foam or polyfoam (in the comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or even longer. There is also more about the many variables that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress in post #4 here.

Unfortunately it’s not possible to make any meaningful comments about any mattress unless you know the type and quality of all the materials inside it so you can identify any lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress. In very general terms though I would avoid all the major brands (or any mattress where you don’t know the quality of the materials inside it) and the chain stores that often sell them because they all tend to use lower quality/density materials than I would be comfortable with in their comfort layers (see the guidelines here). Even the few that don’t have any obvious weak links in their design are generally not in a good value range compared to many other mattresses that use higher quality and more durable materials and are in lower price ranges.

Just in case you haven’t already … I would also make sure you’ve read the mattress shopping tutorial which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice … and more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

If you let me know your city or postal code I’d also be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I’m aware of in your area.

Phoenix