jw777.
Your posts are becoming increasingly less meaningful and are misrepresentative of what has been stated on this forum. It is becoming clear that you have a personal agenda (as is evidenced by your first post which was a negative attack on a particular product) as opposed to most members who come here seeking information.
Yoiur attempt to hijack this thread for your own personal gratification becomes increasingly evident, and just to give you the benefit of the doubt I’ll make a few more comments to again correct your erroneous strawman arguments and then I will end of this part of our discussion. Beyond this, I will caution you that if you continue to misrepresent what I have stated or continue to be argumentative, I will take your posts and transfer them to a separate thread where they can languish and receive the appropriate lack of attention that they deserve, and revoke your posting privileges. I’ve had to do this with very few people in the past, as what you are doing is forum trolling and taking my energies away from those who truly visit this site for accurate information.
It seems to me that you are either not reading things in context or that you selectively pick and choose things that make your point. (And possibly hidden agenda.) In the same Mattress Durability Guidelines post from where you pasted the above quote you will also find the context for including lower densities in the base layers of a mattress.
"In lower BMI ranges then using slightly lower quality/density and less durable materials can be a little less risky because you won’t sink into the mattress as much and lower density foam materials won’t be subject to the same degree of compression that cause them to soften and break down as quickly as they would for higher weight ranges. While I would generally use the same guidelines as for a BMI that is less than 30, if you are restricted to lower budget ranges where higher quality materials may not be available (say under $400 or so) and if there is a lower quality/density layer that is deeper in the mattress and has an inch or two of higher quality and more durable materials above it then a slightly lower minimum guideline of 3 lb. per cubic foot density for memory foam or 1.5 lb. per cubic foot density for polyfoam may be worth considering as a reasonable “cost/durability compromise”. See the Mattress Durability Guidelines
Having a 1.55 lb foam in the base layer especially for someone with a lighter body type (lower BMI) would not affect substantially the durability of a mattress and therefore does not consist a weak link in the mattress.
Here you are again showing your lack of knowledge about foam classifications and conveniently ignoring the information presented very clearly in my last post regarding how foam companies and manufacturers label the density of their products. While 1.55 lb. and above can be technically classified as 1.8 lb., I nor no one else has the ability to check with each company and ask for their foam averages for the classification they use. Dreamfoam being conservative in their rating is to be applauded, and is in fact quite accurate.
The new change in the specs of Arctic Dream is reflected on the site accurately and while I certainly do not advocate for one mattress or another, I do point to value wherever I see it whether for a member or nonmember of this site. Budget limitations and range and price vs quality and “commodity” value of materials are certainly part or the personal value equation of purchasing a mattress. Most people understand what a “reasonable expectation” looks like relative to different budgets.
The biggest “tradeoffs” for lower budgets “should be” the range of good quality and durable materials that are available, the amount of higher quality and more costly materials in the mattress, and the durability and useful life of the materials in your mattress and how long it will maintain its comfort and support before you need to replace it … not the “marketing story” that goes with the mattress. While the reality is that higher quality and higher performance materials, more specialized materials, and more durable materials will all come with a higher cost … See the Personal value equation:
Making nonsensical arguments with yourself doesn’t contribute to your credibility nor does it contribute at all to the advancement of information on the forum, and is again indicative of your desire to advance your own agenda and/or “vendetta”. This forum is not your playground.
Your comments continue to go around in circles and cover old ground and purposely misrepresent what I’ve stated and industry standards. Your trolling will not be allowed in the future and this is your first and final warning. Continuing to correct your posts and misrepresentations takes my time away from helping those who visit this forum with the express intent to learn. There certainly are other forums where you are welcome to post and they will welcome your misleading statements. I’ve given you enough rope and you are at the end. Either respect the intent of the forum and obey its rules … or you will no longer be able to use it.
Phoenix