Hi ersendi,
They are both on the list I linked earlier (in post #2 of the thread).
Smaller manufacturers work on a completely different way than the chain stores and don’t mark up their prices to double the selling price so they have room for “fake sales” that are constantly rotating (see post #5 here and post #5 here). They usually have their best prices available every day of the year that are much better value than the best “sale prices” at mainstream stores and chain stores … but it never hurts to ask.
Thank you … I’m glad it could help 
Phoenix