Good Innnerspring Mattress with Minimal Foam

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OK, I finally had a Saturday afternoon free and did as much local shopping as I could. The amount of details I could get from the salesmen in the stores varied, but I tried to get as much as possible.

If I tried any of the beds, they did seem to vary a bit in firmness, but I believe I may have mostly been feeling any soft cushioning that might have been in the quilting layer. So if there was a fair amount of soft foam in the quilting, it felt a bit softer than a couple that had very high ILD HD foam on top. They all felt too firm to sleep on (expected), but some felt like rocks. I didn’t expect to like any as-is.

Only one place (PJ’s) had any kind of a soft latex topper to try. There’s was a Pure Latex Bliss 3", probably pretty low ILD (very soft). I did try it on a couple firm beds they had, including a VERY firm Stearns & Foster, and I think it should be OK. But I won’t know for sure until sleeping on it a while.

So here are some options I found. I would appreciate anybody’s experience or insight into any of these mattresses or manufacturers:

  1. [li]Sleep-n-Air
    12.75 Guage pocked coil springs; foam encased; about 2" of poly foam on top
    $699. 10-year warranty. Read they have pretty strict no-return policy
    This mattress felt firm but there was definitely a bit of padding in the quilting.[/li]
    [li]Flexus - Posture Sense
    15-15.5 Guage ‘tri-zone’ pocked coil springs; foam encased; about 1.5" ‘Certi-Pure’ 1.5lb poly foam; 1" Bamboo quilt
    $475. 15-year warranty
    Didn’t try this one, only called.[/li]
    [li]Stress-O-Pedic - Christalle X-Firm
    14.5 Guage 621 Marshall coil springs; foam encased; 2" HD reflex foam (1.7lb / 55 ILD); Quilting: 7/8" 1.2lb 17 ILD + 1/2" Puralux Latex.
    $750. 15-year non-prorated warranty
    This was VERY firm and looked pretty well-made.[/li]
    [li]Custom Comfort - Revive 100
    Medium-firm springs (I believe they mostly do Bonnell or Continuous?!? Will do pocked coil as custom); Steel edge support; natural cotton padding + quilted plush top
    $780 ($930 w/ pocked coils). 90-day comfort guarantee. 15-year warranty
    Didn’t try this one. Store felt most high-end and salesperson very knowledgeable. Seems like they will stand behind their product well. [/li]
    [li]Mattresses.net - DIY Latex Core
    6" Latexco Dunlop 15% Natural, 85% Syn, 100% Pure Latex Rubber core; 30 ILD (med) or 36 ILD (firm); bamboo/wool zippered cover
    $770. Unsure of comfort guarantee or warranty on these.
    Still wondering if this would be sufficient base instead of innerspring for support. I’ve tried a couple all latex beds and think I preferred feel of Dunlop (at least cores).[/li]
  • Thoughts?!?
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Hi Jethrodesign,

While I can’t speak to how well any of these mattresses will work for you with any particular topper in terms of PPP … I can certainly make some comments about them in terms of the quality of their materials.

[quote]Sleep-n-Air
12.75 Guage pocked coil springs; foam encased; about 2" of poly foam on top
$699. 10-year warranty. Read they have pretty strict no-return policy
This mattress felt firm but there was definitely a bit of padding in the quilting.[/quote]

I would want to know the density of the 2" polyfoam layer and to make sure that the specs include all the layers in the mattress. I can’t make any comments here without knowing the density of the polyfoam.

[quote]Flexus - Posture Sense
15-15.5 Guage ‘tri-zone’ pocked coil springs; foam encased; about 1.5" ‘Certi-Pure’ 1.5lb poly foam; 1" Bamboo quilt
$475. 15-year warranty
Didn’t try this one, only called.[/quote]

This is a two sided mattress which would add to durability and there are no weak links in the design so it would certainly be a suitable option.

[quote]Stress-O-Pedic - Christalle X-Firm
14.5 Guage 621 Marshall coil springs; foam encased; 2" HD reflex foam (1.7lb / 55 ILD); Quilting: 7/8" 1.2lb 17 ILD + 1/2" Puralux Latex.
$750. 15-year non-prorated warranty
This was VERY firm and looked pretty well-made.[/quote]

I believe this is a one sided mattress but it also uses good quality materials and there are also no weak links in the design and would be suitable as well. I’m not surprised it felt very firm to you with a 55 ILD comfort layer.

[quote]Custom Comfort - Revive 100
Medium-firm springs (I believe they mostly do Bonnell or Continuous?!? Will do pocked coil as custom); Steel edge support; natural cotton padding + quilted plush top
$780 ($930 w/ pocked coils). 90-day comfort guarantee. 15-year warranty
Didn’t try this one. Store felt most high-end and salesperson very knowledgeable. Seems like they will stand behind their product well.[/quote]

This is also a two sided mattress which would add to durability. I would want to know the details of the “quilted plush top” but assuming that there isn’t too much lower quality material in the quilting then it would also be a durable design with no weak links in the design and would be suitable as well. A mattress with cotton padding is a little unusual in todays market and will tend to get a little firmer as the cotton compresses over time (see post #2 here).

[quote]Mattresses.net - DIY Latex Core
6" Latexco Dunlop 15% Natural, 85% Syn, 100% Pure Latex Rubber core; 30 ILD (med) or 36 ILD (firm); bamboo/wool zippered cover
$770. Unsure of comfort guarantee or warranty on these.
Still wondering if this would be sufficient base instead of innerspring for support. I’ve tried a couple all latex beds and think I preferred feel of Dunlop (at least cores).[/quote]

This is also a good quality material although it would be a little less resilient than 100% natural Dunlop. Latex is certainly suitable for a support core in a mattress (and many people prefer it over innersprings) and can provide very good support and alignment but the choice between latex and an innerspring is really a personal preference because they feel and respond differently from each other (see post #2 here). It would also be suitable under a topper in the right firmness level but you would also need a mattress cover with this option (either for just the core or for both the core and your topper).

I think you’ve done well with your research and outside of the few I mentioned where you will need a little more information you have some good options that have no obvious weak links and would certainly be suitable for a base mattress under a topper. If motion transfer is an issue for you then I would also be aware that innersprings that are joined by helical coils will transfer more motion than pocket coils or latex. A box spring with springs can also transfer motion vs a solid non flexing platform or foundation.

Phoenix

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[quote]Custom Comfort - Revive 100
Medium-firm springs (I believe they mostly do Bonnell or Continuous?!? Will do pocked coil as custom); Steel edge support; natural cotton padding + quilted plush top
$780 ($930 w/ pocked coils). 90-day comfort guarantee. 15-year warranty
Didn’t try this one. Store felt most high-end and salesperson very knowledgeable. Seems like they will stand behind their product well.[/quote]

I received a bit more info on the Custom Comfort mattress:

  • 14.5 Gauge springs (pocketed coil) / or standard 13.75 gauge ‘VertiCoil’ (most of their mattreses use this).
  • Standard foam is 1/2" 15 ILD. I’m guessing this is in quilting + any cotton batting (their higher end beds use mostly cotton batting).

[quote]Stress-O-Pedic
I believe this is a one sided mattress but it also uses good quality materials and there are also no weak links in the design and would be suitable as well. I’m not surprised it felt very firm to you with a 55 ILD comfort layer.[/quote]

  • Would having very firm HD foam in the top ‘comfort’ layer (tried a Stearns & Foster that was similar) prevent the coils from really adjusting to your body well, especially if using pocketed coils? Does it defeat any of the purpose, or does it just give it a firm feel without affecting it’s support characteristics?

  • Should I be concerned about any mattresses with a higher gauge wire for the coils (e.g., 15.5 for Flexus)?

Thanks! Maybe I’ll get lucky and they’ll have holiday sales this weekend. Hoping to make a decision soon.

Kenny

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Hi jethrodesign,

[quote]I received a bit more info on the Custom Comfort mattress:

  • 14.5 Gauge springs (pocketed coil) / or standard 13.75 gauge ‘VertiCoil’ (most of their mattreses use this).
  • Standard foam is 1/2" 15 ILD. I’m guessing this is in quilting + any cotton batting (their higher end beds use mostly cotton batting).[/quote]

With only 1/2 of polyfoam in the quilting there wouldn’t be any “weak links” in this mattress either.

Every layer of a mattress will modify the feel and performance of every other layer to some degree. This is just how different mattresses are made to be suitable for different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences. Thicker or firmer layers on top of a pocket coil will have a bigger effect on how the pocket coil feels and performs than softer or thinner layers yes but this certainly wouldn’t defeat the purpose of the pocket coil and for some people it would be better and for others it would be worse. Everything always depends on how all the layers and components interact with each other and with the person that is sleeping on it and how the mattress “as a whole” feels and performs for each person. While it’s important to know the specs of a mattress to assess its quality and durability … the suitability of a mattress (or a mattress topper combination) can only be known based on your own testing or sleeping experience.

Outside of the steel being tempered, the most important “spec” of an innerspring that relates to its durability is the weight of the steel inside it. This comes from a combination of the gauge of the wire, the number of turns in the coil, the diameter of the coil, the number of coils in the mattress, any helical wires in the innerspring, and the height of the coil. The weight of the steel isn’t a spec that you will be able to find out. Having said that … the support layers of a mattress aren’t generally the weak link of a sleeping system so unless the top layers of a mattress are very thin (comfort layers and any topper) or the person on the mattress is very heavy the innerspring won’t be the most significant factor in the useful life of the mattress or sleeping system and I would focus more on the suitability of a mattress (which comes from the innerspring in combination with the other layers and any topper you are using) than I would on the durability of the innerspring.

Phoenix

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Hi, I’m still trying to decide which would be the better way to go. But I found another mattress that seems like it would be ideal. It’s just more than I’d like to spend (almost double).

Berkely Ergonomics - Interactive
Appears to have high-quality pocketed-coil springs (European bi-level?!?) and just a 2" latex top foam, with a cotton knit cover quilted with organic wool.
And apparently the springs come in a softer or heavier option, as does the latex foam. So there would be 4 firmness combinations. And the top zips off so the latex (and/or coils) could be swapped out if needed.

This sounds one of the better mattresses I’ve found, but is almost $1600 :frowning:

  • Is there anything else even similar to this a bit less expensive (pocketed coil + latex)? I imagine that might be hard to find.
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Hi jethrodesign,

The Berkeley Ergonomic mattresses are certainly good quality/value choices but it’s unlikely that you would find an “equivalent” mattress somewhere else outside of other mattresses that are in the same general innerspring/latex category. There is more about trying to “match” one mattress to another one in post #9 here but in most cases even seemingly minor changes between the designs of two mattresses can make a surprising difference in terms of how it feels.

There are other innerspring/latex hybrids in the Los Angeles list and some may be in lower budget ranges (you would need to spend some time on their websites or on the phone to find out what each of them have on their floor) but each of them would be different from each other so you would need to do some testing to make sure that any of them are just as good a “match” for you in terms of PPP because the suitability of a mattress is the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase (see post #13 here).

Phoenix

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Hello Jethrodesign,

I am basically looking for the same thing…a good Innnerspring Mattress with minimal and/or high quality foam.
(with the added parameters - firm to ultra firm, good (metal) edge support, prefer 2 sided, above average durability, and a $2K target budget.) I live in Central California, so I can drive to LA as needed, but trying to do my homework before making the long drive.

Did you ever decide on a product, and if so, how do you like it so far?

Thanks in advance.

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Hi motuman,

[quote]I am basically looking for the same thing…a good Innnerspring Mattress with minimal and/or high quality foam.
(with the added parameters - firm to ultra firm, good (metal) edge support, prefer 2 sided, above average durability, and a $2K target budget.)[/quote]

Just in case you haven’t read it yet … I would make sure that you’ve read the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice based on any criteria that are important to you.

If you let me know your city or zip code I’d be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I’m aware of in your area.

Phoenix

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Hello Phoenix,

Thanks for the welcome, and I’d like to extend a “well done” on running such a comprehensive and informative site.

FYI - I have spend many, many long hours reading and searching your site, and while it hasn’t lead me to any conclusions yet, it has certainly given me a lot of data to process.

I am the Santa Barbara, CA and was surprised to see your fine thread on our little town -https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/what-is-the-nearest-latex-mattress-showroom-to-santa-barbara

and the list of manufactures in the LA area.

Since I am not interested in 100% latex however, it appears I will likely still have to drive to LA to look at the small locally manufactures of innerspring mattresses. (with the possible local exception or Ortho, which seems dicey at best)

Thanks again…looking forward to any additional suggestions you can make.

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Hi motuman,

It’s great to see you found the local lists that are closest to you :slight_smile:

Many of the options in the Santa Barbara list also sell innerspring mattresses and other types of mattresses that would also be well worth including in your research.

Phoenix

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Hi,
I’ve been a bit occupied for the last couple months, but I’m back into the mattress hunt and ready to just get something. I was going to try to decide between one of the options I found (see above), but just tonight I found something new at Mattresses.net that sounds VERY intriguing.

Has anyone heard of, or tried, their new ‘Ultimate Hybrid’ mattress (see product info here). This looks absolutely ideal IF the components are good.

I’ll see if I can find more specifics about the coils and/or foam used, but it really looks like the perfect setup for what I was looking for if good/supportive enough. There would be no top layer foam to worry about, and no need for a separate topper. And the price is great, but almost ‘too-good-to-be-true’. So that’s why I’m hoping for some insight or experience here.

Thanks!

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Hi jethrodesign,

This is one of Arizona Premium’s newest mattresses that they just introduced very recently. You can read more information about Quantum Edge pocket coils here. Both the pocket coil and the latex comfort layers are high quality components and there are no weak links in the mattress … and like all of the Arizona Premium mattresses it’s great value as well.

When you can’t test a mattress in person though then I would always make sure you have a more detailed conversation with the retailer or manufacturer so they can help “talk you through” the options they have available (there are 4 latex comfort layer options available) to help you decide which one you would prefer or would be the best match for you.

Phoenix

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Hello jethrodesign,

Just a quick FYI.

If you prefer a two sided mattress with latex over innerspring (like you saw at Arizona Premium) you might also consider the Flexus “Body print”.

I have started a dialogue with Henry at Flexus and they appear to be quite flexible in the configuration they will build for you.
I’m looking into upgrading the Flexus Body Print inner spring to a Quantum or Quantum Edge, and upping their polyfoam layer from 1.5 lb to 1.8 lb or 2.0 lb. I’m just beginning the process, and Henry appears to be really busy this week with his black friday special, so I don’t have any pricing info to share.

If you are looking for one sided (which will save some $$ on latex), I’m not sure if Arizone or Flexus will be less, but Flexus does appear to offer free shipping on the Body Print mattress.

Maybe Phoenix can comment on the quality of the latex layer that Flexus vs Arizona use, since he is familiar with both companies?

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Thanks for the quick replies. I’m guessing that I should be able to get a decent Latex comfort layer with the choices they offer, and I believe they have a one-time exchange I could do on the latex if it wasn’t right after testing for a few weeks. This is real important. The zip-off cover is nice for this too.

And MotuMan, let me know what you find out from Flexus. I think I saw that mattress as well, and they are more local to me. But wasn’t sure about having the poly foam + latex. Seemed like it would make the topper situation a bit more complex, unless they can do away with the poly.

But I think I’m really interested to know more about the innerspring setup. It looks like the Flexus ‘may’ offer the same innerspring setup (if they’re using Leggett & Platt ‘Comfort Core’). They state 3 different firmness ‘zones’, which is what the Arizona Mattress uses with the L&P ‘Combi-Zone’ option. In theory, this sounds ideal I think, right?!?. And from what I read in their specs, it sounds like the coils may be designed to work in one direction - getting firmer as they compress. So not sure if that plays into using in a ‘flippable’ mattress. I don’t think the foam should wear out too soon if good, so not so concerned about 2-sided.

But I think I was concerned when reading more about the ‘Comfort Core’ series of springs as they state they’re ‘comfortable enough’ to sleep on directly with no foam. This has me wondering if they offer enough support if using a 3" comfort layer.

  • Does anyone know if these coils are being used in a lot of recent mattresses, even firm ones? I know Leggett & Platt is one of the largest suppliers of spring systems.

  • Should I be concerned with these coils not being supportive enough? They’re 8 inches tall, so just seems like they may have a lot of ‘give’, but don’t know enough to be sure.

Thanks!

Kenny

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I’ll let Phoenix handle the heavy lifting :slight_smile: but I do have a few comments.

I jumped into this thread because we appear to be looking for a mattress with a similar construction style.

If you haven’t already done so, you should check out L&P’s homepage for inner-springs:

On one hand this is “marketing material”, but on the other hand it’s a good way to familiarize your self with the physical difference between L&P’s “comfort core products”, which are individual pocket springs, and their “innerspring products”, which are Bonnell style springs. (links for all models are on right side of page)

I don’t want to speak too much for Flexus because I’m early in the process, but I can tell you what I learned so far.

• Flexus uses the L & P “Body Print” innerspirng in their “Body Print” and “Posture Sense” models.

however

• Flexus seems pretty willing to work with you on the type of innerspring you want. I asked if they could built one of their mattresses over a Bonnell style spring instead of the Body Print (pocketed coil) and they said yes. Since I am looking for an unusually firm and durable mattress, I am still considering that option.

• As we have learned on this forum however, it’s usually the top layers that give out before the innerspring…but if you are talking just about innersprings, it seems one of the Bonnell Styles (such as L&P Verticoil or Hinge Flex , etc) is going to be more durable than most individual pocketed inner`springs…and possibly firmer depending on the models you compare.

• As an FYI, when I was sampling expensive firm to ultra firm “S” brand and Airloom mattresses in big showrooms, it was hard to feel much difference between individual pocketed coils and a Bonnell type innerspring. Once you put 5" to 6" of firm to very firm layers of material over the springs, it tended to even out any “body conturing” effect of the individual coils. As the comfort and support layers become thinner and/or softer however, I could start to notice the difference between innerspring styles.

• As far as polyfoam, it’s pretty clear from all the postings here, and my personal experience, there is a big difference between foams. If you are looking at a thin layer of high quality, high density (1.8 or 2.0 lb) poly foam, I doesn’t appear that you have to worry to much about it being a weak link in the mattress…but you can always ask Flexus about leaving it out too.

• As an engineer I tend to dig deep into the specs, but it 's important not to forget Phoenix’s PPP. It it’s not comfortable for us, it doesn’t matter what it’s made of. B)

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Hi motuman and jethrodesign,

You can see my comments about this in post #2 here.

This depends on the type of support you are talking about. There is more about primary and secondary support and their relationship to pressure relief and firmness in post #4 here and in post #2 here. The only way to know for certain whether any mattress will keep you in good alignment in all your sleeping positions would be based on your own personal testing and experience.

There is also more about the different ways to choose a mattress and how to minimize the uncertainty and risks involved with each of them in post #2 here.

There is more about the different types of innersprings and how they compare with each other in this article and in post #10 here but as you mentioned … in “real life” terms the upper layers of a mattress would be the weakest link of a mattress regardless of the type of innerspring that is used underneath them.

I would agree with your comments here. Depending on the weight and sleeping position of the person … the upper 3" to 6" of a mattress will have the biggest effect on how it feels when you lie on a mattress so if there are thicker layers of foam or other padding materials above an innerspring then the differences between them would become much less noticeable than they would be with thinner layers.

You can see the foam quality/density guidelines I would generally suggest in post #4 here. Outside of the density of a polyfoam layer the durability will be affected by other variables as well including what is above and below it, the firmness of the layer, and the thickness of the layer. Layers that are deeper in a mattress will be more durable than the same layers that are closer to the top of a mattress where they will be subject to more of the compression forces. A two sided mattress will also significantly affect the durability of the materials in the mattress so a foam density that is suitable for a two sided mattress may not be as suitable or as durable in a one sided mattress. There is more detailed information about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to each person in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

Phoenix

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Have you heard of a company in Hartford CT CALLED GOLD BOND MATTRESS COMPANY. ?
Recently my hubby and I slept in a holiday inn and it was the first time in 2 years that we didn’t have horrible side pain, leg pain, numbness in arms and shoulders . I looked up on the Internet an it said Serta hotel line is used there. When I called the hotel itself they
Said that they buy them from a commercial place and had no info for me. All I know is it was a 2 sided mattress.
I called CT MATTRESS the former owner of Better Bedding in CT. Tom WHOLLEY. He has his own mattress company where they sell several of the popular brands and this Gold Bond company since 1938 in Ct. I live in Ct. I called an I can meet with owner and make an appointment to see mattress’. He said he had a few gold bond 2 sided on the floor to try. Plush and firm (royal ??)
I spend $1000 I’m a nonreturnable 5lb memory foam mattress and it’s so hard it was horrible.so I got a 3" talaly latex topper ($300) and it’s softer but pain and numbness in arms andin back that’s excruciating. I feel like a cripple in morning.
So this holidY inn mattress at first felt firm but I think it is what we need, what about gold bond or another 2 sided mattress … Help I weigh 185 and hubby weighs 325lbs.
Please help…

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Hi karenm5010,

You can see my thoughts about Gold Bond in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

You can see my thoughts about hotel mattresses in post #3 here. If you can’t find out the type and quality of the material inside them (which is normally the case with hotel mattresses) then I would avoid them completely.

I would keep in mind that the name of the manufacturer on the label or the brand name of a mattress is mostly meaningless because outside of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) a mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality of the materials inside it … regardless of the name of the manufacturer of the mattress on the label (see post #5 here and post #12 here). There is also more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

As you can see in the guidelines here … I would make sure that you have all the information you need about any mattress you are considering so you can make informed choices and identify any possible weak links in a mattress … regardless of the brand name on the label (see this article). There is also more about the pros and cons of a two sided mattress in post #3 here.

Just in case you haven’t already … I would also read the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices … and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Once you get to step 3 in the tutorial … the better options and possibilities I’m aware of in the larger Connecticut area (subject to the “value” guidelines I linked earlier) are listed in post #2 here which also includes links to a list for the Springfield, MA area and one for the Coventry/Hartford, CT area as well.

Phoenix

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Well, I finally pulled the trigger and purchased the ‘Ultimate Hybrid’ mattress from Arizona Mattresses. After about a month wait, it finally arrived this week.

Setup went pretty smooth and all components did appear to be very good quality. I got the 3" 19 ILD All Natural Talalay top foam, and with the Bamboo/Wool zip-up cover. I was actually concerned it might be too soft, but was told this is what I should try (though the salesman was not very familiar with the product). They have a one-time exchange, so I figured I could always swap for the medium foam top.

But my initial feeling, and it’s confirmed after sleeping on it a couple nights, is that it’s definitely not as soft as I had expected. To me, it actually feels like a more medium/medium-firm mattress. And I have a bit of pressure point soreness on my hips & shoulder through the night. Definitely not what I had hoped for after all this time & research : (

NOTES & QUESTIONS:

  • I believe the cover is ‘muting’ some of the softness of the latex. When I examine it from the inside, there is no give at all with it - very solid/stiff. I’m not sure what the backing material is or how much wool is in it (maybe 1/2"?!?). When I tried without the cover zipped on, it felt a bit closer to what I was expecting (softer and more ‘bouncy’).

  • I don’t think I can get any softer or thicker for the foam topper portion, can I?!?

  • They sell an ‘organic cotton’ cover as well. Any insight whether this might have more ‘give’ and mold to the foam better?

  • Am I most likely going to need to get another soft latex topper to go on top of this to get the more luxurious soft feel I want? If so, should I look for a 2" topper since I already have 3" of soft latex in the mattress?

  • What would be some places that sell a good quality, soft, 2" topper with a very ‘elastic’ cover? Most of the typical places I’ve searched only sell 3" toppers. I did see ‘The Foam Factory’, who actually have a 30-day return policy (only one I could find for toppers). Reputable??

Thanks for any specific insight here. I really want to get this wrapped up and be happy with my bed. I feel like what I have now is at least a very good foundation, which should last a long time. But just want to get it a bit softer…

  • Kenny
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Hi jethrodesign,

Thanks for your comments and initial feedback and for letting us know what you ended up deciding.

As you know softness and firmness is subjective and relative to the perceptions of different people (a mattress that feels medium firm for one person may feel soft to someone else or firm for someone else) but the “best” suggestion with any new mattress is normally to wait until you have slept on it for about a month or so (or a few weeks at a minimum) before making any changes to the mattress so the mattress has a chance to break in and you have a chance to adjust to a new sleeping surface that you aren’t used to. There are also some suggestions in post #2 here that may be helpful.

They would be able to tell you for certain but as far as I know 3" of 19 ILD is their softest option.

There are some comments about some of the differences between knit covers that are more stretchy and wool quilted covers in post #6 here. I’m not sure if there is an option for a different cover with this mattress but you would need to ask them to find out for certain.

[quote]- Am I most likely going to need to get another soft latex topper to go on top of this to get the more luxurious soft feel I want? If so, should I look for a 2" topper since I already have 3" of soft latex in the mattress?

  • What would be some places that sell a good quality, soft, 2" topper with a very ‘elastic’ cover? Most of the typical places I’ve searched only sell 3" toppers. I did see ‘The Foam Factory’, who actually have a 30-day return policy (only one I could find for toppers). Reputable??[/quote]

It’s much to early to decide this but if you do decide to add a topper then post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to can help you use your sleeping experience after a few weeks as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that would have the best chance of being a good match for you in terms of PPP on top of your mattress. It also includes a link to the better online topper and cover sources I’m aware of.

I would read this post and this post and this topic (about their polyfoam and sources) and this post (presumably from a past employee) before buying anything from Foam by Mail (AKA FBM and Foam Factory) or considering them as a reliable supplier. They don’t sell Talalay latex … they only say they do.

Phoenix