I’d be interested in this as well … and particularly in any differences in the polyfoam quilting layers that they use on top of the latex.
If the Savvy Rest you tested had 3 layers then the closest SleepEZ would be the 10000 which also has 3 layers. They also provide the option to “mix and match” your layers and you can choose 100% natural Dunlop or blended or 100% natural Talalay in similar firmness levels as the Savvy Rest although a mattress that used 3 soft layers would be risky in terms of alignment and they would probably (and with good reason) advise against it.
Since the Series 4 and 5 looked identical, except the label on the top of the mattress was a different style, and both had the same quilting on the top…the only difference could be the latex layers. They might say they are made better or something like that to change the product from a 4 to a 5 and increase the price. The Samadhi Series 5 felt pretty nice. I guess I’d have two drive between the two store back to back to try out the 4 and 5…but the series 4 is a better price, than would go that route. I sent an email to Prana asking the difference. But since the Super Vinyasa Series 4 was quoted at discounted $4700 to me, the Samadhi Series 4 would probably be $1000-1200 more is my guess, pushing around $6000…which is just too much.
But speaking of price, the Sleep EZ 10000 and 13000 Cal King are under $3000 which is very attractive pricing to me…though I’m leery about buying something without trying it first…especially something as personal taste as a mattress. I’m suprised the Savvy I tried was three layers of soft with Dunlop on the bottom and Talalay in the center and top. I asked the sales man about medium or firm on the bottom, and he said that if the Beautiful was to firm for me, then he wouldn’t recommend a medium or firm bottom on the Savvy. But the first swap-out would be free.
I guess if I wanted to go the route of the Sleep EZ 13", then maybe a medium on the bottom and center with soft on the top two layers…or with the 10" would probably be medium on the bottom with soft on the center and top.
Hopefully they changed the quality/density of the polyfoam layers on top of the latex in the first 4 versions of their mattress. You can read more about the Pranasleep mattresses in post #3 here and in post #2 here and in post #3 here and in posts #1 and #2 here and a forum search on Prana (you can just click this) will also bring up more information and feedback about them as well. As you can see I would be very cautious here because of the thicker layers of lower quality/density materials they have tended to use in the top layers of their mattress which could be a weak link in the mattress.
You can see the specs of the Beautiful in post #2 here but the materials in the top 6" or so of a mattress (which is 14 ILD and 24 ILD in the Beautiful which are softer than the two soft layers in the Savvy Rest) will have a bigger effect on how a mattress feels for most people than the deeper layers in the mattress.
There is more about primary or “deep” support and secondary or “surface” support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the “roles” of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between “support” and “pressure relief” and “feel”.
I got an email back from Prana. The only difference between the 4th and 5th generation is that they are now using a denser 2.5 IDL foam on the top instead of 1.5.
“The fifth generation has a 2.5 density foam instead of a 1.5 density foam in the quilting layer of the mattress. The higher density foam will give more resiliency and less body impression. The ILD of the foam is the same in each generation allowing the same comfort in both.”
When I asked about the price increase, I was told
“The price increase would include the difference in pricing of latex and other materials over the past couple of years since the last price increase.”
And when looking at the increase, it is about $1500-2000 depending on the model and size!
The Super Vinyasa 4th Gen Cal King with base had a MSRP of $5600, which I could get on sale for $4700. The Super Vinyasa 5th MSRP is $1500 more. The Samadhi 4th Gen was MSRP $6500 and the 5th gen is $8400, $1900 more.
Those are pretty big price increases.
But even the Jordan’s site now lists the 5th Gen Super Vinyasa, and lists it with a 3" foam top at 2.5 lbs, 1" soft latex, 2" medium latex, 6" latex core, and 1" 1.45lbs foam bottom, which equals the 13" total. But out of it only 9" is latex, which is surprising at these prices. The Samadhi only adds one more inch of soft latex at the top for 14" total…which is probably why it felt the best to me between the Prana models.
For the Beautiful model, your link says it is 3" 15 IDL, 3" 24 IDL, 6" 36IDL. Do you know what the different IDLs are for the latex used by Savvy and Sleep EZ? You say that is softer than the Savvy…but to me when I was on the Savvy that had all 3 layers of soft, it felt softer than the Beautiful.
One concern about the Sleep EZ is that you have to assemble it yourself. I has surgery a couple month back, and can’t really so that, so my friend would have to. How involved is putting it together, since the foundation shows it has wooden slats?
Edit: After watching the assembly videos, I see the latex mattress is easy to put together, but the bottom wooden support seems that it might be a “weak link” as it is just held together with bolts and wing-nuts with velcro on the top wooden slats.
So I found out today I could get the 4th Gen Prana Samadhi for $5700, which is $1000 more than the Super Vinyasa. They are only going to be making the 4th Gen until they run out of the supplies aand then will on have the 5th Gen at the much higher prices.
I’m going to a different Mattress Xperts later this week to try out the Savvy again and hopefully get a better feel for it.
I like the pricing of the Sleep Ez more, even if it requires assembly. Do both the Savvy and Sleep EZ have comparable IDL with each other? I’m trying to see why the Savvy is about twice the price since it seems both are the same design.
I’m glad to see that they finally removed the lower quality materials in their previous generations and replaced them with a higher quality/density and more durable version of polyfoam which would no longer be a potential “weak link” in their mattress in terms of durability and the useful life of their mattress.
With the change in foam quality/density of their 5th generation then there would be no cause for concern with the durability or useful life of their mattresses and if you have done some careful testing to confirm that the mattress you are considering is a good match for you in terms of PPP then you would have covered two of the three most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase that are listed in post #13 here (suitability and durability).
Of course I would still make some very careful “value” comparisons between the Prana and other mattresses or the other “finalists” you are considering that use similar types, thicknesses, and quality of materials based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you including the price and the options you have available both before and after a purchase to customize the mattress or exchange the mattress or individual layers if the choice you make doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for. I would always be very cautious once you are above about $3000 (queen size mattress only) or the equivalent in a king size (about $3500 - $4000 mattress only) so that you have a compelling reason to buy a mattress in this price range that makes sense to you and that would make the additional cost vs the other options you have available “worth it” to you.
Savvy Rest doesn’t provide the ILD’s for their layers but the general range is in post #2 here. The ILD range for SleepEZ is near the bottom of this page.
Softness/firmness is very subjective and relative to each person and a mattress that feels soft for one person may feel firm for another depending on how their body type, weight distribution, and sleeping style interacts with all the layers and components of a mattress and their own individual sensitivity. There are also different types of softness/firmness that some people may be more or less sensitive to (see post #15 here). The comfort and transition layers in the PLB Beautiful would be softer overall than the Savvy Rest but for some people the softer bottom layer (in spite of the alignment risks involved) may “translate” into an “all soft” Savvy rest feeling softer to them even though it may not feel softer for other people.
Assembling a component mattress such as SleepEZ or Savvy Rest is generally a fairly simple process but it would be much easier with two people. The foundation is easy for one person to put together and is made specifically for latex mattresses and would certainly be suitable and strong enough for an all latex mattress and it wouldn’t be a “weak link” in your sleeping system.
I would like to keep the pricing as close to $4000 (or under) if possible.
The Prana Super Vinyasa at $4700 is a stretch, but the Samadhi at $5800 is really more than I am lookig to spend on a mattress. The new 5th Gens are just out of ballpark with their price increase.
But the more I think about it, even though I like how the Samadhi felt, I am concerned about the 1.5lbs on the top 3", and there is nno way to replace any layers on the mattress. At least with the Savvy or Sleep EZ it doesn’t have foam on the top and the layers can be replaced.
I see from you link the latex layers are about equal between Savvy and Sleep EZ. For example, if I tried out a Savvy that is soft/soft/medium, then chances are a Sleep EZ with the same configuration would feel about the same.
What I am thinking is to try out the Savvy again later with week at the other store that can swap them out, find which configuration I like best, and order that configuration from Sleep EZ.
My question (or concern) is if there is any difference in quality or reliability between Savvy and Sleep EZ? As I’m trying to figure out why the price of the Sleep EZ is half (as the saying goes you get what you pay for, and even though the price is attractive, I’d hate to get it, not like it, return and go with Savvy or Prana…with all that hassle.)
I would also be concerned about the lower density polyfoam in their previous versions as well and I would consider it to be a potential weak link that could lead to premature foam softening and breakdown or sagging. Lower quality/density materials really don’t belong in a mattress in this budget range and I’m glad to see that they improved the quality/density of the polyfoam in the new design.
SleepEZ and other component latex manufacturers would be able to give you good guidance about which of the options they have available would be closest to the Savvy Rest mattress that was the best “match” for you.
There is no difference in the quality or durability of the latex in either mattress. SleepEZ provides the option to choose either 100% natural Dunlop or 100% natural or blended Talalay in their layers (and they can special order organic dunlop) and there are 4 firmness choices while Savvy Rest has the option for 100% natural Dunlop that is certified organic or 100% natural Talalay in three firmness choices. The covers would also be slightly different as well (see post #31 here). There is also more about the different types and blends of latex including organic Dunlop in post #6 here.
This is one of those cases where the price of the mattress doesn’t reflect a significant or meaningful difference in quality and Savvy Rest is generally priced higher than a number of other manufacturers that also use similar types and blends of latex and have a similar cover and a similar design. There is also more about how SleepEZ compares to Savvy Rest in post #4 here and a forum search on SleepEZ Savvy Rest will bring up all the forum posts that mention both of them.
After reading though this thread: https://forum.mattressunderground.com/t/i-don-t-get-it-why-is-my-foam-cushion-sofa-more-comfortable-than-my-new-latex-mattress-help
It’s kind of made me wonder about going the Sleep EZ route, since it is all up to you to put it together, and if you don’t like it to box it up and pay for return shipping. A more convenient latex brand would be the Savvy, since Mattress Xperts do the delivery them self. Their return policy is only 60 days (not too long) but I think you said that Savvy mattresses can’t be returned?
With this Rhapsody going back next week, I really need to see and decide what I want to go with. I’ve had it about 10 weeks, and it is so uncomfortable that I sleep on the couch (circa 1998) most of the night, and around 5am transfer to the bed for the last few hours. I even have had my 3" gel topper on it that I purchases a few years back.
It’s a shame the Gen 4 Prana Samadhi uses the 1.5 foam and is $5700. Even though the 5th Gen has 2.5 foam, the $2000 price increase is way to much.
I would be very cautious about using other people’s reviews or experiences on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how suitable a mattress may be for you and in many cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on or vice versa (see post #13 here). This would be particularly true if someone’s experience was in a very small minority of the people who had purchased a particular mattress and if you were to exclude mattresses that weren’t suitable for some people then there wouldn’t be any mattresses left to choose from.
The Savvy Rest mattresses are very similar to the SleepEZ mattresses so if a particular SleepEZ configuration wouldn’t work for you then it’s not likely that a Savvy Rest with a similar combination of layers will either. Savvy Rest is certainly a great quality choice but it’s also in a significantly higher budget range than many other similar mattresses (including SleepEZ of course) and as you mentioned they don’t have a return policy … only a layer exchange. Having said that … the choice between whether to buy locally or online depends on the parts of each person’s personal value equation that are most important to them and for some people a higher cost for a local mattress may be “worth it”.
The cost of returning a SleepEZ is $95 regardless of the actual shipping cost so the risk is low and both the Savvy Rest and theSleepEZ would be relatively simple to put together or exchange layers if you have someone to help.
Thanks for the additional info.
I wasn’t aware the return shiooing price for Sleep EZ was a flat $95, I though I read something on their site where it says the customer pays the full return shipping fee at however much that would be. With me in FL, I’m was thinking it could cost $200 or so for return shipping to AZ for the mattress and wooden foundation.
I’ll he trying out the Savvy again this week. Will let you know how it feels, since I can have them configure it at the store as soft/soft/medium, soft/medium/medium, or soft/medium/firm.
Need some advice tonight.
Went to the other store and tried out some different combos.
I like the soft Talalay, with to medium Dunlop underneath best.
The retail price is $3999. The salesman said that they are placing a big order today due to the holiday weekend, and can pass savings on to us down to $2999, $1000 off. But they only offer a 60 day, but no refunds, only exchanges.
At that price, its not much more than the Sleep EZ 10", and you don’t have to assemble it yourself. But is non returnable.
Thoughts?
[quote]At that price, its not much more than the Sleep EZ 10", and you don’t have to assemble it yourself. But is non returnable.
Thoughts? [/quote]
The difference (excluding any taxes) between the Savvy Rest reduced price and the SleepEZ natural 10000 (which would have blended Talalay and 100% natural Dunlop) in cal king would be $1104 and for the SleepEZ organic (which would have 100% natural Talalay and 100% natural Dunlop) would be $724.
When you are down to finalists that are choices between “good and good” and if there are no clear winners between them then the final choice that is best for you will really be a matter of “best judgement” based on all the objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (see post #2 here). There are no “bad” choices here.
I see your point.
The reduced price of the Savvy Cal King was $3000 down from $4000. This included a “standard” wooden base (he said with not slats, flat wood on the top for $300), the $100 Cal King metal frame, and free delivery and installation. Also that Savvy has a promo right now where they are including free the mattress cover, 1 shredded latex pillow and sheets (a $600-800 value).
For the $3000 price, this is not a bad deal, but is non-returnable/refundable if you don’t like it, and will charge $190 latex-swap-out fee during the first 60 days if you want to change out a layer.
The Sleep EZ 10000 Organic Latex Cal King shows on their site for $2275 + $380 foundation = $2655. Then add $100 to buy a Cal King bed frame (local or Amazon) = $2755. So total, you’re only $245 difference in price and don’t have to assemble it yourself. But you have better terms…90 days to change out layers as many time as you want, or return is all for a refund.
So that’s why I didn’t go with the Savvy deal yet, since I needed to think about it, and wanted others opinions about it.
But about the feeling of the Savvy, I tried several different configurations.
The first was soft talalay/medium talalay/firm talalay. It was a bit too firm for me.
Next was soft talalay/medium dunlop/medium dunlop. This one felt the best, soft but supportive. When I opened it up, the soft talalay layer said Made in the Netherlands, which I thought it was made in the US?
Last was soft talalay/soft talalay/medium talalay. This felt softer, but after several minutes it wasn’t supportive enough on my back.
The only other config I thought about would have been soft talalay/medium talalay/medium dunlop, but we weren’t able to set that up.
Today I was looking online at the FloBeds since it’s a competitor to SleepEZ, but it doesn’t say that they can do Cal King with full-width latex layers, only split layers, which I don’t need or want. I’m also not sure how that top convoluted layer would feel, since I usually like a smooth feeling surface. But I do like how their wooden frame is constructed. But again their price is higher than Sleep EZ.
I see that FloBeds gets their latex from Latex International, where do Sleep EZ get their latex from?
As far as I know outside of the top convoluted layer they only use split layers in queen size or larger so that they can be shipped more economically but you could check with them to make sure. Their convoluted top layer is a solid piece and they also have a wool quilted cover so you wouldn’t be able to feel any split underneath it. Most people wouldn’t feel the convoluting and you can also use the smooth side of the convoluted layer facing up but for those that try it and decide they prefer a solid 2" latex layer instead they will replace it with a solid layer with your choice of firmness at no charge.
Flobeds uses Latex International for their blended Talalay and Radium for their 100% natural Talalay. SleepEZ uses Radium for both as their “default” although they will provide LI Talalay for those that request it.
I spoke with Sleep EZ and went over everything with them, we were on the phone about an hour, answered all my questions.
He said that he doesn’t really recommend Dunlop since they are inconsistent and no two are the same, that it is better to go talalay all the way. He said either soft/med/med, soft/med/firm, or soft/firm/firm would be the way to start out. II’m leaning towards the soft/med/med first to see how that feels. But it is happens to be too soft, then would just change out the bottom layer to firm.
Any additional swaps after the first one ($30) he said would probably run $65 each way for shipping from AZ to FL.
When I asked about the difference between Latex International and Radium, he said that he prefers the Radium as they are a bit more consistent.
So at this point I’ll probably do the ordering by Monday, is it would be here by the following Monday.
I just have to get the timing worked out for Mattress Firm to pick up this Tempur Pedic, then get my carpets cleaned (which I’ve been wanting to do) and then put this one together with my friend…without more than a few days in between sleeping on the couch!
I’m going to be ordering the Sleep EZ 10" in the next few daya. Probably with the soft/med/med talalay first to see if it is the right balance of soft and support, as the Savvy soft/med/firm I tried a few days a go was a bit firmer than I like. But if it ends up being too soft, then would probably change out the bottom layer from med to firm. I think soft/firm/firm would be too firm for me.
I’ll also have to get a Cal King metal bed frame either locally or on Amazon. The basic ones are listing for around $50, but the better quality ones aare showing $100-150 with much better reviews.
If you order the S/M/F then you would also have more combinations to try including S/M/M and S/F/F so you could test different combinations without needing to do a layer exchange and then if you needed to you could exchange a layer based on your actual sleeping experience on different combinations.