Thanks phoenix, good words to remember. I have been looking for a mattress for weeks and have really liked the idea of having both HD foam and latex. I have been looking on this site for weeks and doing a lot of bed testing at several local stores. Having all of the reviews of the different online sites you provided was very helpful. My husband and I decided going with Brooklyn bedding. We went with the Aloe Alexis split cal king, one side ultra plush and the other medium plush. Mario Sevilla from BB was excellent to work with. I was able to get and additional $200 of each mattress plus 2 pillows. After doing a lot of pricing I feel I received a great deal. Thanks also for the recommendation to adjustablebeds.org. I purchased the Reverie deluxe. I am very excited for my purchases to come. I will update everyone when everything comes and I get my first good night of sleep in years.
Hi dbl006,
Congratulations on your new mattress ā¦ and adjustable bed 
I think you made great choices in terms of quality/value and Iām looking forward to your feedback once youāve had the chance to sleep on them.
Phoenix
Hi,
Iām new to most interactive internet platforms. Donāt know if Iām ātalkingā in the correct place.
First, Iād like to thank you for all the info (almost overwhelming) on your site. Iāve been reading for a week before I started understanding, not yet mastering the info. but getting there.
Second, in the Burlington, VT area, at least two stores have latex mattresses. The Vermont Mattress Depo carrying the Natura (you have listed this store in one of your replies) and the Burlington Furniture Co. carrying the pure Latex Bliss. Both places had courteous, helpful and fairly knowledgeable sales people.They had some info on their mattress.
Third, Iād like your opinion on two mattresses. The Natura Eco Refresh ( the only latex model at the Depo ) and the pure Latex Bliss Sustain.
My wife and I extremely liked the Sustain. Exceptional pressure relief, great alignment, liked the cotton over wool cover, was a little busy when we moved and it didnāt hurt either one of us. The Refresh and the Sutain were the only ones we both were very comfortable on.
My wife and I are 5ā 2" and weight around 200 lb. She has back, hip and shoulder problems plus fibromyelgia. Iāve got two artificial shoulder plus one knee and a bad back. Weāve been trying different style beds all day and were tired, the Bliss mattresses were our last stop.
We are very wary about buying on line but weād like your advise. The prices on these were not cheap. The Refresh was 3799 for two twin XLs. The Sustain was 5500 for two twin XLs. We plan to get two adjustable bases so we can have separate adjustments when necessary.
Weāve bought three mattresses, all name brands,in the last six years and Iāve not been able to sleep on any of them for more then a year to a year and one half (sleeping in a recliner mostly). I am so weary of this mattress āBSā.
Also we could take a road trip to a place which could make a mattress comparable to the Sustain (NY City and see a show ?)
Thank for any help you can send our way,
Adele and Bill
Hi cowdocvt,
I switched your post to your own topic so that your posts donāt get mixed up with posts from other members and it will be easier to find.
I would suggest reading the information here like you would a good book rather than āstudying itā like you would a textbook so that you donāt become overwhelmed with information or end up with āparalysis by analysisā. Just in case you havenāt read it yet I would also make sure youāve read the tutorial post here which has the most important information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choice.
Itās good to see you were dealing with knowledgeable salespeople which are sometimes few and far between in the mainstream market. Iāve also added Burlington Furniture Company and Sleep Quarters to the Burlington, VT list. I didnāt add them originally since neither site listed what they carried but they are both on the Pure Latex Bliss retail store finder if you enter a zip code for the Burlington area and the PLB mattresses use good quality materials.
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Third, Iād like your opinion on two mattresses. The Natura Eco Refresh ( the only latex model at the Depo ) and the pure Latex Bliss Sustain.
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You can see the materials in the Natura Eco Refresh on the Naturaworld site here. It includes an inch of 100% natural Talalay latex and a 6" 100% natural Dunlop latex support core and a fairly thick layer of wool in the quilting. All of these are good quality materials and there are no weak links in the mattress.
You can see the materials in the Pure Latex Bliss Sustain here and it includes 4" of 100% natural Talalay latex and a 6" support core that is also 100% natural latex with a stretch knit removeable and washable cover. It also doesnāt have any weak links in the design.
The most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is how well it matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP because no matter what the quality or price of a mattress ā¦ if itās not a suitable design for you to sleep on it would have little value to you. Careful and objective testing using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post will go a long way to helping you make a suitable choice.
The next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is the quality of the materials so you can make sure there are no weak links or lower quality materials that can soften or break down prematurely. If a mattress is a good match for you initially but the materials are low quality and soften or break down prematurely (as in your case with your previous mattresses) a mattress would also have little value to you in the longer term. Both of these use latex which is a high quality and durable material.
Once you have tested a mattress and you are confident that itās a good match for you and you have confirmed that it uses high quality materials ā¦ then the āvalueā of each mattress would depend on how they compare with each other or the other options that you are considering or have available to you based on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.
While both of these are good quality mattresses ā¦ they are both in higher price ranges than other similar latex mattresses with similar materials and construction so I would make some careful value comparisons before choosing either one of them.
I completely understand and you are in the same position as many if not most other mattress shoppers who donāt have the information that they need to make informed choices or know how to make sure that there are no weak links in a mattress and make meaningful comparisons between mattresses. When you buy a mattress that uses lower quality materials (in the comfort layers especially) then the lower quality materials will soften and break down prematurely and the loss of comfort/pressure relief and/or support/alignment that goes with this isnāt usually covered by a warranty (loss of comfort and support is considered to be normal weak and tear not a defect unless there are impressions are deeper than the warranty exclusions which usually isnāt the case)
That would certainly be a long drive to do some mattress shopping unless you had other reasons to go there. The tutorial post includes a link to a list of the members here that sell online that includes many that make latex mattresses with a wide range of options, designs, and budget ranges that may also be worth considering or at least that you could use for comparison purposes.
Post #32 here also includes a list of retailers that sell PLB mattresses online and ship them anywhere in the country that you could also use as a reference (their listed prices are MAP prices (minimum advertised prices) not the actual selling prices so I would make sure you talk with them to find out their actual selling prices).
The New York list is in post #2 here and there is a more categorized list for Northern NJ with more detailed descriptions of some of the NY options in post #7 here. The manufacturers and retailers listed there also make or sell latex mattresses but they are not the same design or combination of materials and may feel or perform completely differently so I would make sure you did some preliminary research on their sites and on the phone before you drive there.
There are no factory direct manufacturers close to Burlington, VT but some of the other options that are a similar or shorter distance away than New York (in case you want to drive in a different direction) are listed in post #4 here for Topsham/St Johnsbury, VT. (there are no factory direct manufacturers here either), post #2 here for Maine, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts (with several factory direct manufacturers), post #2 here for Connecticut (also several factory direct manufacturers), post #2 here for Syracuse/Bridgewater (two factory direct manufacturers), and post #4 here for the Albany/Schenectady, NY. area (also with no factory direct manufacturers).
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,
I am shopping for a latex mattress and I am quite confused!! I am a side/back sleeper looking for a good quality mattress. There are so many places to buy from I am just lost. Is it worth it to go all natural? Also, by chance would there be any good places near the Raleigh, Durham area of North Carolina to buy a latex mattress from?
Thanks,
John
Hi 1fasttvx,
That really depends on which type of latex you are looking at and your preferences and on the criteria that are most important to you for performance, āfeelā, budget, or personal reasons. Post #6 here has more about the different types of latex which along with your own personal testing and experience may be helpful in deciding which type of latex you prefer.
The better options and possibilities Iām aware of in the Raleigh/Durham area are listed in post #6 here. There are certainly some good options to test and become familiar with different types of latex mattresses but where you end up buying from will depend on which of your options (either local or online) you are most comfortable with and are the best match for the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.
Phoenix
Great info Phoenix, I will check them out.
Thanks,
John
Phoenix,
I went to look at the latex mattress at the Original Mattress Factory. I like the feel of the mattress, but after checking the construction it uses a foam core. I am guessing that is a way to produce the mattress at a lower cost? I also checked out the Savvy Rest Serenity mattress and I liked the feel of them also, but as you know the price is up there. Right now I am really leaning towards the Brooklyn Bedding 10" Total Latex. Do you think that would be a good choice price and construction wise?
Thank you!!
John
Hi 1fastvx,
You can see some of my thoughts about the OMF Serenity latex mattress (and some comparisons with some of the Brooklyn Bedding mattresses including the Total Latex Mattress) in post #2 here and post #2 here and post #3 here.
Yes ā¦ they are good quality mattresses and I would choose them over most mainstream mattresses in a similar budget range but as you know there are also other similar component latex mattresses available that use the same or similar materials and layers in lower budget ranges.
They are one of the members of this site which means I think highly of them yes and they compete well with the best in the industry. I certainly wouldnāt hesitate to purchase any of their mattresses that I thought was suitable for me in terms of PPP and the parts of my personal value equation that were most important to me.
Of course when you canāt test a mattress in person them itās also important to have a more detailed conversation with any online retailer or manufacturer so you can choose the layer and firmness options that have the highest chance of success (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,
I have learned so much on your site. Because of the huge investment, Iām so afraid to make a mistake and get the wrong mattress. Because of this, weāve put off buying a mattress for about 3 years too long.
I live in Montana, so our latex choices are really limited locally. We did drive to Denver Mattress in Billings (110 miles) and try their iChoice. I liked it without the topper but only laid on it about a half an hour with the topper and a half hour without. I have developed bursitis in both hips, and I think our sagging innerspring mattress is the cause. When I sleep in hotel beds, I donāt develop the same pain, which hits about 3 am at home. I particularly like the mattresses at Woolleyās Classic Suites in Denver, but I donāt want to go with springs again. They say their mattresses are Beautyrest Black Label custom-made for them, but no one knew what comfort level number they were.
The iChoice bedās link is: 404 | Denver Mattress. As you can see, itās not 100% latex, so Iāve been looking at SleepEZās beds, starting with the Roma. Iām wondering what you recommend based on the two other mattresses I liked. I havenāt called them yet to find out the ILD #s on their different layers. We have added a 2.5" Talalay topper to our current bed along with a Cuddlebed topper and a quilt under the sagging part of the mattress. That has helped but not enough. However, we can use these toppers on our new mattress as well. Iām worried about getting something too firm that will bother my pressure points, but Iām worried about getting something too soft since I hear that latex softens over time, and sinking too far into the mattress also sets off my bursitis.
We laid on the Dr. Breus Monogram mattress, but I couldnāt really feel a difference on that one. Of course, I tried it early in the morning when my bursitis was already hurting pretty badly. I believe thatās also not 100% latex. I have not been able to find 100% mattresses in either Billings or Bozeman.
So budget-wise weāre looking at three on SleepEZ.com: the Roma, the NaturalĆ© 9", and the 8" Special Latex Mattress with 3 layers. If we go with that, Iām not sure what firmness levels to choose for each layer since I am no where near Tempe and canāt try them out. Iām hoping you can make some suggestions.
And unfortunately, we do need a new foundation, too. Are all wooden foundations the same? We can buy one locally for $120 versus SleepEzās $275, and the store says it would support a latex mattress, but the saleswoman couldnāt tell me the size or spacing of the slats inside.
One more question about warranties. I believe most warranties requires a sag of a certain amount (ie. 2.5") to replace the mattress, but Iāve heard that latex doesnāt actually sag; it softens in the area where you lie, so are latex warranties different, or are they pointless?
Thanks so much for any information you can give me. We have been looking forever, and with my bursitis, I want to get a new mattress this month.
Hi Range Girl,
Just in case you havenāt read it yet ā¦ the first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible choice ā¦ and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.
You can read more comments about hotel beds in post #3 here. I would generally avoid them or any of the major brand mattresses that may be similar (see the guidelines here).
I would also be aware that the weakest link in most innerspring mattresses are lower quality materials used in the comfort layers and not the innerspring itself which is generally a durable component. An innerspring mattress that uses high quality comfort layers can be a very durable choice.
I donāt make specific mattress suggestions because there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to make specific suggestions for someone else based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or ātheory at a distanceā. If you are considering an online choice that you canāt test in person before a purchase then the most reliable source of guidance will always be the retailer or manufacturer themselves (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
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So budget-wise weāre looking at three on SleepEZ.com: the Roma, the NaturalĆ© 9", and the 8" Special Latex Mattress with 3 layers. If we go with that, Iām not sure what firmness levels to choose for each layer since I am no where near Tempe and canāt try them out. Iām hoping you can make some suggestions.
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There is more about the most important parts of the āvalueā of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.
I can only speak to the quality of the materials in a mattress and help you identify any weak links in their design and all of the mattresses you mentioned here use high quality and durable materials and there are no weak links in any of them.
No they all arenāt the same at all. There is more about the types of foundations that are suitable for different types of mattresses and some good sources for each of them in the foundation post here but the SleepEZ foundation is certainly a good choice for an all latex mattress and has gaps between the slats that are less than 3".
Iām not sure where you are exactly but the some of the Montana options in post #5 here may be reasonably close to you.
Most warranties have a 1.5" exclusion (although some are more) but mattress warranties only cover visible impressions (as you mentioned) and not the gradual loss of comfort and support that happens with all mattresses over time and they have very little to nothing to do with the useful life of a mattress and how quickly you may need to replace it (see post #174 here). They are more about marketing than anything else.
All foam materials including latex will soften or impress to some degree over time but latex is among the most durable materials in the industry so it will soften or impress less than other types of foam materials and will only do so over a longer period of time. There is more about the variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress in post #4 here.
Phoenix
Thanks for the links and info. I had tried all the places you list for Montana except one, and no one has 100% latex. They are all combined with other foam layers. I ended up buying the 8" special from SleepEZ, and I am so relieved to finally have placed an order after several years of either not dealing with it or researching different mattresses. Weāve been in the middle of remodeling our house for years, so this has always take a backseat financially, and now Iām paying for it physically. Hopefully, this mattress with be worth the money. Fingers crossed.
Hi Range Girl,
Itās unfortunate that you missed Mattress Mill in Bozeman which makes all latex mattresses but the good news is that you ended up making a great quality/value mattress purchase anyway!
Congratulations on your new mattress
Iām looking forward to your comments and feedback once youāve received it.
Phoenix
I found some MFRS. here to review before buying the Plush Beds Botanical Bliss 100% latex.
FYI, the Foam Sweet Foam coupon code is not working anymore, gives the message āWarning: Coupon is either invalid, expired or reached its usage limit!ā Shame, was about to make a purchase.
www.foamsweetfoam.com/ Anaheim, CA. Factory direct manufacturer. They sell component latex mattresses that you can choose between organic certified Dunlop latex or 100% natural Talalay layers with either two, three, four, of five 3" layers in your choice of firmness with an organic cotton and wool quilted zip cover. Scott is the owner here and I have known him for several years and he is also very knowledgeable and experienced. He makes good quality and value mattresses and is the only manufacturer I know that sells 15" component latex mattresses with 5 layers. He has been selling mattresses for over 30 years and online for over 9 years. Discount code: MU6
Hi toddatkins,
Iām assuming that youāve called them already to find out why the coupon wasnāt working but just in case you havenāt and for the benefit of others who read your post they are having a 4th of July sale which has a discount that is larger than the TMU bonus and as you can see on the membership list here ā¦ all discounts and bonuses are on regular āmattress onlyā purchases and in most cases canāt be āstackedā with occasional sale prices that already have a larger discount or with special promotional pricing on some mattresses.
The coupon code will be reactivated after the sale is over.
Phoenix
Phoenix,
This list is 5 years old and I believe the majority of these vendors are still in business.
However, do you have a current list somewhere of these vendors with your notes?
Also, on another subject, do you have a compendium of all of the educational and article information in one document, PDF or other read-straight-through format?
One of the difficulties Iāve found with the navigation of the educational and article information on this site is the seeming lack of ānext subject/articleā links within each page.
thanks again
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https://www.mattresses.net/ Specializes in customizable 6" + 2" or 6" + 3" layering in either Talalay or Dunlop and side by side split construction is also available. Has a range of other options as well including organic Dunlop and a pocket coil/latex hybrid and can also do special orders of alternative layering on request. Has a zip cover so that the base layers can be exchanged if needed. Discount Code: MU5
http://www.baybed.com/ Specializes in a rather unique customized component mattress with latex layers of your choice over a high quality pocket coil design for those who prefer a latex/innerspring hybrid. Has a zip cover so that layers and components can be exchanged after purchase.
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Hi steelwindmachine,
This is a list of the members of the site that sell sell mattresses online and I edit it to keep it up to date on a consistent basis (the last edit was yesterday). It is one of several online lists that are linked in the mattress shopping tutorial (in the optional online step). I also edit and update all the many other local and online lists throughout the forum on a regular basis as I become aware of any new information.
No ā¦ but the most important links are included in the 5 steps in the mattress shopping tutorial. There are a number of menu sections that contain educational articles (and they are all visible if you hover over the menu item) but there are many more inside the forum itself that I use as reference posts than there are in the menu links.
I am currently working on creating a research center that will include several hundred of the most important articles from the menu links and the forum posts that will be amalgamated together in one place but it will take quite some time to complete so if you have any questions that arenāt covered in the tutorial or the menu links you can just ask on the forum and Iāll be happy to link you to the relevant information.
Phoenix
Hi There,
My head is spinning, 4 days and a stomach ache. My main concern is health and safety. I am distrusting by nature ( bad experiences in the past).
Shopping for a latex mattress seems to be confusing. Through doing research I am finding I am leaning towards Savvy Rest as I feel a peace of mind with their product do to detailed advertising and info on their site and their final product has a green guard 100 cert which I like. The problem is that all of these oeko-tex 100 certs are made to the latex distributor, how do I know that the mattress company itself, Sleep EZ, Sleep Organic, Flo Beds etc are actually using that 100% natural (NO SYNTHETIC) foam in MY bed? I am conflicted because each of these vendors have the certs that look good, but none address them as a retailer. Buying online is more affordable which I like, but how do I know they are a well respected company? Sleep Ez has been in business a long time, BBB Accredited, but I cannot find a ton of info on them from verified purchasers independently on the web, and their site only has 200 and something likes, their yelp has a small amount of ratings as well. Being around so long is there more info I am missing? Also, found SleepOrganic.com today and cannot find a lot of verified buyer reviews either. I want to buy a 100%Natural latex bed from top to bottom, no synthetic junk in the latex, I do not want ANY flame retardant other than Certified organic wool, and would prefer a Certified organic cotton cover. Any info on the companies carrying these would be sooooo appreciated. Or if anyone has purchased a product like this from one of these companies and has a positive or negative experience I would love to know. Lastly, I know OMI carries a very well certified product, but way out of my price range:)
Also, any opinions on Coco Latex vs Latex Green with regard to purity/safety/health? I had come across a thread that mentioned Latex Green produced a product that contains flame retardant is this true? Thank you !!!
SavvyRest mattresses are very nice and their pricing is towards a higher income bracket. If you can afford it, then I wouldnāt think twice and just order one and be done.
If you donāt have or want to throw mounds of money around, which may be why youāre considering online factory direct retailers, then the ones you mention all have very reputable businesses, long standing and many pre-date the internet. None of them make the foam. They get it in raw pieces from the various manufacturers (Radium, Talatech, Latex Intl., Mountain Top, etc.) that have had their foams tested, certified, etc.
There is no cloak and dagger here with the brands you mention. If in doubt, call them to discuss your concerns.
I personally donāt have any aversion to synthetic stuff, so I went with SavvyRestās Natural line of latex mattress. Iām still awaiting delivery, but the consultation and ordering process was excellent in terms of a high level of customer service.
There is certainly an element of risk when buying anything that you havenāt actually tested in person. So, if thatās worth an extra $2-$3k to you, then the SavvyRest might be worthwhile. Since theyāre sold by a dealer youāll also get the benefit of them removing your old mattress and setting up the new one. Whereas with the online purchased mattresses, you have to arrange for the disposal of your old mattress/bed and you have to set up the new bed system yourself.
My wife and I used the SavvyRest Serenity as a test bed to help us dial in on our latex preferences that we were then able to communicate to SleepEZ.
We choose SleepEZ since we couldnāt find a bad review on them, theyāve been in business for 40 years, their customer service has been fantastic and their recommendations were in line with what we suspected weād need and not totally out in left field. We spent just a touch over $2100 for a 10" split king + foundations + queen latex pillows + king sheets, shipping included. They were on the high side of our retailer choices, but they hit all the right boxes for what we felt comfortable with and were looking for in a mattress. Heck, we buy darn near everything else on the internet anyway lol.
Iāll be writing a more full accounting of our experience along with a product review once we get the bed and have some time on it. Weāre very excited to finally have a king on the way! It should all be here tomorrow!