Latex-pros and cons

Hi mattreslooker,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

Iā€™m sorry youā€™re having a warranty claim, but at least you are able to get a replacement product.

Regarding the mattresses you mentioned that you are being allowed to select, there is limited data about the Rushmore from Southerland (it seems to be a polyfoam core product) and there is no data on their site about the Splendor (is that the model which uses pocketed springs?).

In order to choose between the two products, Iā€™d first want to know if there was a difference in the density of the foams used in each mattress, so you would want to find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Once you have that information in hand, you can then go test the two mattresses. Iā€™m thinking that they may use similar padding materials in the comfort layers and simply be a difference in the deep support unit, so it may come down to the comfort you enjoy best, regardless of the density of the foams, as these are your only two options.

If you are able to find out more complete information about these mattresses as I outlined above, feel free to post that information here and Iā€™ll be happy to comment upon it.

Phoenix

Thanks for your input. The Rushmore has 2" of 3 lb gel infused open-call memory foam, 2" of 5 lb Gel infused open cell memory foam, 2" of Luxury foam for enhanced comfort. The Splendor features are above. Any recommendations since I am unable to ā€œtryā€ either mattress out.

This is under a warranty as I said and these are the choices I was given as a replacement for an Englander mattress. I am confused to say the least.

Hi mattresslooker,

The 2" of 3 lb memory foam would be a less durable material and lower than I would recommend, especially in the uppermost layer of the mattress (4 lb is the minimum I like to see for memory foam). You didnā€™t list the density of the 2" of ā€œLuxury Foamā€, and you also didnā€™t list what is used for the support core for the mattress. Is it a polyfoam core as shown on their web site? If so, youā€™d want to know the density of that core.

Iā€™m not sure what you mean by ā€œaboveā€. Do mean the earlier specs of .5"gel Latex, .5" blue gel visco, 1.5" Poly and foam encasement pocketed coil? Youā€™d want to know the density of the 1.5" of polyfoam, and if that mattress is 15" thick there would seem to be something missing in the layers you were given, as a normal pocketed spring unit is about 8" or so. Perhaps there is a base piece of poly foam beneath the springs? That would make sense with the foam edge system.

As far as comfort goes, I wouldnā€™t be able to tell you what either product might feel like or how it might compare to your old mattress. Thatā€™s disappointing that you canā€™t try out either product.

In situations like this, I normally would advise you to pick the product using the least amount of low quality or unknown material, which you can determine once you are provided more complete details.

Phoenix

Hi I really like your site and the information that you post. I had done a fair amount of research before which mostly lines up with what you write.
I very much agree with what you say about Talalay latex being extremely good in supporting the person sleeping.
My wife and I (have gotten lucky?!?) to come across a Canadian company Swiss Dream Beds that retails a bed system that uses Talalay latex for its mattress in combination with a wooden slat system. It did come at a very reasonable price though. We have been very happy with our bed. We were also positively surprised when we open the bag and it smelled likeā€¦vanilla or something like that. I am not sure how to describe natural latex smell!

Anyways thanks for your great work and keep it up!

Hey everyone,

Currently I have a medium Dunlop topper, but I find it might be a tad too firm for me and Iā€™m kind of an all position sleeper. I was wondering what a softer version of Talalay would be in terms of firmness? I am looking for Talalay due to itā€™s pressure relieving properties. This is on a pocket coil base by the way.

Would a medium Talalay be just a little softer than the Dunlop firm?

By the way, Iā€™m 5ā€™11 and around 240, but I am losing weight and plan to keep losing so I was factoring that into my decision as well.

Thanks for the help!

Hi freitazm.

Congratulations on your weight loss. :slight_smile:

Talalay would have a softer feel and might add just the touch you need for better pressure relief for you. Dunlop and Talalay that are the same thickness and ILD wonā€™t feel the same in terms of their firmness for most people because they have a different response curve and compression modulus (how quickly a material becomes firmer as you sink into it more deeply). Not only that Talalay and Dunlop have a slightly different feel, with Talalay being ā€œspringierā€, but the biggest difference is that Dunlop ā€œfirms up fasterā€ than Talalay, as it is compressed more.

There is also more about the difference between Dunlop and Talalay inpost #7 here.

Good luck with the fine-tuning.

Phoenix

I think this will help me choosing the right mattress.

hi
I owned a spring mattress that I was very unhappy with and recently purchased a tempurpedic breeze mattress- its better then the spring mattress but I am not completely satisfied either as over time at night one sinks in too much and also the heat. I am not sure its because its not hybrid version. However, after reading articles on this website I am interested in latex mattress. My concern is not cost of mattress as i am willing to spend a lot for a good mattress if necessary. here are a list of my concerns/questions:

  • whats the difference between all the organic latex mattresses such as green sleep and sleeptek vs Berkley Egonomics etc.?
  • is there a need for core of the mattress to be spring or all latex is preferred?
    -when using a split king latex mattress (2 twin to form a king size) does one fill the gap between the 2 mattresses when its together? or if its without the mattress cover?
    -can one use a latex mattress with an adjustable base? does it effect the mattress?

i appreciate your help

thank you,
Robert

Hey Robert,

Iā€™m no expert but figured I would respond with my personal and opinions on your questions. I previously had a tempurpedic just like you and have the exact same problem as you. It feels great at first but memory foams ā€œfeelnessā€ as a lot to do with temperature and Iā€™m sure you noticed as your body heats up it heats the memory foam and causes you to sink further and further into it. It started causing me horrible back pains. One temporary solution I found worked quite well was adding a barrier between me and the memory foam. When I say barrier I mean a topper. I used a 3" 18ILD Talalay topper and that Main a huge diffrence. As it was much harder for the heat of my body to reach the memory foam.

Now since I had this 3" topper already I decided to go the DIY route and build my own mattress. The reasons behind this was 1, I already had the 3" topper. 2, if I built it in multiple layers I could further modify it to my likings in the future. So if I get it, assemble and donā€™t like the way it feels I can simply rearrange until I get the right comfort feel and support that I want. If I ever wanna add something in the future I have the option to do this. All while saving me a lot of money compared to what buy one straight up would cost. If you enjoy the journey and doing DIY I highly recommend this route as you can essentially overtime make your perfect bed. You might not get it perfect on the first try but if you stay persistent with it. You will come out with a bed thatā€™s better than most Retailerā€™s.

You mentioned gaps in a split king. My recommendation here would be decide on your core layer and have it in 1 king size sheet in the thickness you want. Then from there up use twin xl sizes. That way you can customize each side. So can order your layers to be more firm and your wifeā€™s side to be more soft. At this point you have two options. I used a bamboo mattress cover from brylanehome itā€™s a 13" for a long and was 95 bucks. While waiting on it to come In shopping around most people was wanting 300+ for these mattress enclosures. So I expected I was gonna be getting something very cheap. I was wrong. Way wrong

It seems they build these covers when you order them and there built extremely well. I was really shocked at the quality!

So you could just wrap your layers in something like that and you oils never notice the gap.

Second option is to glue it in. This is done lot in zoning mattresses which takes my concept about the diffrent style twins an butting then together to a whole new level. There are a few companies that do this and a lot of
DIY people do it and it will be my next mod to my bed. Basically they use diffrent ILD ratings along with diffrent variations on how itā€™s made(Dunlop, Talallay). So things like your hip area which have more weight would get a higher ILD an prob made of Dunlop as in my experience it seems to be more supportutive(hard to explain the diffrence in the two of you have never experienced them both). So they basically insert diffrent ILD in key spots to help support beaver parts of your body and Vice versa for other parts.

Now when it comes to the core, I personally can not tell a diffrence from using latex vs some other foam that supports the same way. The real benefit I think of all latex is itā€™s durability which icreases the mattresses life(also VOC if that sort of thing bothers you)

For adjustable beds, yes latex works great better than springbeds in my opinion. Memory foam and latex both work better with hard slabs as bases over a traditional box spring. Most all adjustable beds are hard slabs. So my latex bed works great in ours.

These are all my opinions and everyone is diffrent so what works for me might be horrible for you but I will list how I made my bed below and you can see how having multiple layers opens up the possibility for endless customizations.

Bottom Layer 3" HQ LUX FOAM
Next Layer 2" HQ LUX FOAM
Next Layer 2" HD36 FOAM
Next Layer 1" HD36 FOAM
Next Layer 2" Medium Dunlop Latex
Top Layer 3" Soft Tallalay Latex

All wrapped in the Brylanehome bamboo cover.

After I built this the bottom layers made it way to hard. Crazy how layers that far down affect it so much but it does. So as a test I removed the 2 LUX pieces and retried it and it felt better than anything Iā€™ve ever slept on. I think I can make it even better but I just gotta find time to mess around with the layers and see what works best but as stated earlier thatā€™s one of the benefits of doing a diy mattress. Endless customizeable until you find exactly what you want.

If you plan to go that route one suggestion is to mimic the layers of a mattress you have tried and liked. I would just always recommend getting ech Layer in 2-3" cuts so you can customize it more later on.

Hopefully that helps you some and I didnā€™t completely loose ya. Sorry for all the bad grammar really hard to type proper from mobile. Good luck

Twoods196
i appreciate your comments, i am confused though about all the brands as far as quality etc.
thanks

Hmm, I can definitely agree with this.

Hi Robert101.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

Response to Post #17: Youā€™ve brought up quite a few points (some of them perhaps unknowingly) and Iā€™ll try to deal with them one by one.

I am sorry to hear that you have issues with your new Tempurpedic Breeze. Not everyone likes the feel of a memory foam mattress as it has low resilience, high hysteresis and more of an ā€œin the mattressā€ feel to it that changes in response to variations in temperature, humidity (both from the ambient environment and your own body) and length of time and it is subject to compression forces. It can feel firm in certain circumstances and soft under different conditions. Due to its viscous-elastic properties and more closed celled structure, it is very good at forming a pressure relieving cradle around your body, but it will generally be the least breathable and most insulating of the foam comfort materials, so temperature, as you noticed, can be an issue. You can read more about the pros and cons of memory foam in this article

A forum search on Greensleep (Belgium manufacturer) and on Sleeptek (Canadian manufacturer) and Berkely Ergonomics (USA Manufacturer) specifically (you can just click these) will bring up more information and feedback about all of them. From a quality perspective there are no weak links in the materials of either item to sway the needle in the direction of one versus the otherā€¦ and all of these mattresses use high-quality materials and could make very good choices based on the other parts of your ā€œvalue equationā€ (see post #46 here ) that are most important to you.

Both Sleeptek and Greensleep use a Dunlop process to make their latex which is different from the Talalay process that Berkley uses. There are some videos linked in post #3 here that show the different production processes and there is also more about the differences between Talalay and Dunlop in post #7 here but you may notice a difference in feel (some people like one more over the other). Berkley Ergonomics uses European sourced Natural Talalay and pocket coils, (organic cotton, wool, and even camel down in some models) while Sleeptek and Greensleep donā€™t use springs. The difference between the items would be in the overall comfort and how that is achieved with the different componentry. Berkley uses the coil unit as a support layer as opposed to foamā€¦ it would be strictly a preference of your own personal PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences).

In terms of ā€œmaterial valueā€ ā€¦ your choices are in the more premium end of the budget range compared to other mattresses that use similar materials but value has many components and each person has their own see personal value equation which is all the objective, subjective, and intangible factors that are the most important part of any mattress purchase. The suitability of a mattress in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), the quality of the materials and components (including the cover and quilting which can be a significant part of the cost of a mattress), the ability to customize a mattress before and after a purchase, along with the knowledge and service of the retailer you are purchasing from are all important parts of value and for many people price is less of an issue than the many other parts of ā€œvalueā€. The goal is always to make meaningful comparisons based on the criteria that are most important to you.

The most important ā€œneedā€ would be more connected with your own personal preferences and the feel that you are looking for. Making more generalized assessments of a mattress only based on one component doesnā€™t take into account that all the layers in a mattress work together and will affect its feel and performance so either one could be part of a mattress that provides you with your pressure relief and alignment/support needs. Assuming that all the materials in a mattress are high quality ā€¦ everything boils down to which mattress design works best for the two basic functions of a mattress . Without going too much into technicalities both innersprings and a firmer latex core can be used as a core/support layer and each has very ā€œdifferentā€ characteristics. Both of them be made in many different designs and can come in softer or firmer versions with an innerspring that is firmer than a latex core or the other way around depending on the specifics of the components you are comparing.
There is more about the 4 main types of innersprings in this article and in post #10 here and more detailed information about innersprings vs latex support cores in post #2 here and more about the different types and blends of latex in this article and in post #6 here .Some of the more technical differences include ā€¦
ā€¢ In general, latex will be more motion isolating than an innerspring.
ā€¢ Firmer latex will be more durable than an innerspring but neither of them would tend to be the weak link of a mattress.
ā€¢ Innersprings have more ā€œairā€ in them so they would be more breathable than latex even though latex is the most breathable of the foam materials but the deeper layers of a mattress also have less effect on the ventilation and temperature of a mattress than the comfort layers.
ā€¢ I know that this may not be of concern to you but most latex is more expensive than most innersprings.
ā€¢ They ā€œfeelā€ very different with innersprings being more ā€œbouncyā€ or ā€œspringyā€ than latex (although latex has more ā€œspringā€ than other foam types).
ā€¢ Innersprings have a more ā€œflat lineā€ response curve than latex ( see the graph here ) but because there are many types of innersprings with different response curves this doesnā€™t always hold true and there are also different types of latex which would also have different response curves.
ā€¢ Innersprings absorb less energy than latex which means they are more resilient. They ā€œpush backā€ more strongly than latex in other words but this is not the same as softness ā€¦ only about how much of the energy that is used to compress them is lost (or how high a ball will bounce when itā€™s dropped on them).
ā€¢ Latex has a similar or higher compression modulus than most innerspring spring rates and either gets firmer with deeper compression at a similar rate as an innerspring (Talalay) or at a faster rate than an innerspring (Dunlop) which means it can be more ā€œsupportiveā€.
ā€¢ Different innersprings have widely different abilities to take on the shape of the body (depending on the number of coils and how independently they function) while latex is much more ā€œpoint elasticā€ than any of them because it can flex in each part of the core with less effect on the area around it than an innerspring.

There are many other more technical differences but the most important differences are the ones you can feel. Either of them can make a good choice for a support layer and in the end it really boils down to which one you tend to prefer. Both of them can provide good/support alignment. There are so many varieties of both that itā€™s not really possible to make more specific comparisons outside of some of the more obvious and more ā€œgenericā€ differences that Iā€™ve mentioned.

I am assuming that you are asking this in connection with placing the split king on an adjustable base. As an aside, there is no single king version of power bases with the most common manufacturers and can only be ordered in a split king version, but the mattress on top of them can either be a single king-size or a split king size. The two halves of the adjustable bed can be programmed to operate together with a single remote.

As you mentioned, when you operate each side independently you would have to deal with the split in the middle and decide if feeling the split was worth the tradeoff of independent movement on each side. How much you would feel the split when the mattresses were flat would also depend on the specifics of the mattress and on how flush the top surfaces fit together. A mattress that has a more square shape with sharper (not rounded) upper edges with either latex or memory foam on top and that has no tape edge or seam on the upper edges would minimize or reduce the feel of any gap or split between them.

You can also get various types of ā€œconvertersā€ which fill in the crack in the middle and attach the two halves together such as here and here and here and here but you would lose the ability of operating each half independently so you may be better off with a single king unless you want to keep the option open.

You could also use a single topper over both sides (preferably with the gap filled in) if the gap in between was uncomfortable but this would also eliminate the advantage of being able to adjust each side separately because it could damage the topper so it would probably be better to use a single king mattress rather than go in this direction unless again you wanted to keep the option of going back to a split king mattress open.

Having to deal with a crack in the middle that most people would feel if you tend to share or use the sleeping area in the middle for sleeping, cuddling, or other activities vs having a single sleeping surface without any gaps in the middle is one of the tradeoffs that each person would need to make for themselves to decide if the crack or gap in between was worth the benefits of having two mattresses that are independent of each other. It would really be a preference and lifestyle choice.

Hope this helps with your decision

Phoenix
Note to Twoods196: Thanks for your contribution and sharing your experience about your DIY.

Hello again,

thanks to all for replying to my questions. I took your general advice and went to several mattress stores that sell latex and surprisingly i didnā€™t like a lot of good brands like OMI, Saavy rest (just proves your point that one really needs to try out the mattress and see what works for that individual). The one i really liked is the ā€˜kama flex plushā€™ from sleeptek with 3 layers of 4" latex in soft, med, med.

There are companies/brands out there that one can order online and they offer free shipping/returns such as ā€˜sleep on latex pure greenā€™ (which i see is a member here) and suchā€¦ the pricing on these mattresses are significantly cheaper then sleeptek,omi,saavy and so on and web claims that they are made from same natural latex
I really like the sleeptek and am willing to pay the price if necessary but donā€™t want to feel like i could have gotten the same thing at 1/4 the price

my question is how come there is such a huge difference in price? is it worth going through the hassle of ordering/returning or am i wasting my time??

one more thing i was wondering if you can advise on i was also looking into the ā€˜purpleā€™ mattress with buckling gel.

any opinions?

Hi Robert101.

There are many factors involved in the price of a mattress when you are comparing mattresses made by two different manufacturers, some connected with the raw materials and the production costs, some connected the business model, infrastructure cost, the shipping costs, and the returns and exchange policies. In the case of Sleeptek, OMI ā€¦ you are looking at fully organic mattresses for which some people are willing to pay more than for mattress made with similar materials that are not organically certified from manufacturers or retailers that donā€™t stress or even promote the organic qualities of their mattresses to the same degree, or that did not go through the rigorous and costly process of certifying the materials or the product for being organic.

Most people that are looking for an ā€œorganicā€ mattress are really looking for ā€œsafeā€ materials and there are many options that are ā€œsafeā€ that arenā€™t organic and I would first determine if ā€œorganicā€ is important to you,as part of your personal value equation. There is more about organic certifications in post #3 here and the topics that it links to.

As far as if it is worth your time ā€¦ itā€™ll all boil down to your personal value equation and what it most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesnā€™t turn out as well as you hoped for). There are many people who are not comfortable ordering a mattress that they canā€™t test online ā€¦ even with a good exchange policy. For someone that isnā€™t comfortable with an online purchase then a higher price for a local purchase may be better value for them. The only way to know your level of comfort with any online purchase is with more detailed phone conversations with each online manufacturer or retailer you are considering. After these conversations, you can more easily decide on your level of comfort with an online purchase.

There is more about the 3 most important parts of the ā€œvalueā€ of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses. This will help you make more meaningful comparisons and will increase the odds that your choice will be as good in real life and the long term as it seemed in the showroom or online.

Purple uses a unique bucking column gel they call Hyper-Elastic Polymer. There is more about buckling column gel in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to and a forum search on " buckling column gel" will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well.

The Purple mattress has been discussed quite a bit on the forum and it is covered in the Simplified Choice thread here and you can also perform a search on Purple here for other posts mentioning this product.

Phoenix

I recently bought a top of the line, Talalay organic hand made mattress, king size. After just one week of use, the mattress was showing significant body imprints on both sides (my wife and I are small, neither weighs more than 160 lbs.). The mattress is manufactured locally here in Victoria BC Canada, so I called the manufacturer, who came out and was shocked by the imprint and product failure (Global Talalay, N3 3" over N5 6"). Both top and bottom layers showed imprints. The entire mattress was swapped out for a new mattress. After just 2 nights on the new mattress, the body imprints are back. At this point, I am at a loss. Is this normal? According to the manufacturer, the product failing this fast on the first mattress in ā€œvery strangeā€. Now the replacement mattress seems to be doing the same. Mattress is on a base supplied by the same manufacturer. Can somebody please give me some insight here? We are extremely frustrated. WTF???

Iā€™m very interested in seeing a reply to this, because I just bought a new latex mattress as well, and body impressions appeared on both sides after just one night (we each weigh around 150 lbs). Not at all what I expected from a latex mattress from a highly reputable source.

Thanks.

Hi Adriano and kmikey.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

I am sorry to hear that your mattress developed body impressions and I can certainly understand your frustration at having the same issue with a second mattress after only a few days. While all new mattresses will go through a break in period and there is also an adjustment period as well for any new sleeping surface ā€¦ it would be unusual that there are any significantly visible body impressions in a relatively new mattress unless it was defective.

As you are having the same issue with the replacement mattress within two weeks it may be worth pointing out a few reasons why a mattress can develop impressions to make sure that you are ruling out anything that might cause this which is not connected with the latex itself. I would first check the frame and support system under the mattress to make sure that it is perfectly flat and that there are no parts that are sagging or that are bending under the weight of the mattress and the people sleeping on it. It should provide similar support to having your mattress on the floor and you can test this by putting your mattress on the floor to see if it makes any difference. If it does then itā€™s possible that your support system could be part of the problem as well.

A new mattress, especially King and CalKing size, generally would not have a surface that remains ā€œpancake flatā€ as the mattress loses any of its ā€œfalse firmnessā€ and the cover stretches and loosens a little. Some manufacturers use x-soft foam in their quilt panel, and/or then use 1.5"+ of wool as the FR barrier. It may well not be the latex, but the materials used on top of the latex that is causing the ā€œindentationsā€ and you may wish to find out what quilting and FR is used in your mattress. You also did not mention the impressions depth, but generally speaking a slight indentation would be considered ā€œnormalā€ if they were coming from a quilting material such as wool (which will compress in the areas you sleep the most over time) but it wouldnā€™t be ā€œnormalā€ to see visible impressions in the latex itself in just a few days.

I would be also curious about the make and model of your mattress and the materials and components inside it since there are many so-called ā€œall latexā€ mattresses that are sold in the industry that donā€™t only contain latex and that could also include lower quality materials or weak links in their design that may be the cause of sagging. The law tag on your mattress will tell you whether there are any other materials besides latex in your mattress. While itā€™s certainly possible that your mattress contains layers or components that are defective ā€¦ latex, in general, is the most durable of all the foam materials and is much less likely to develop soft spots (virtual impressions) or sagging (visible impressions) than other types of foam.

Impressions developed due to foam softening or breakdown is rarely an issue with latex unless it is defective or too soft for the body type of the person sleeping on it (softer foam is always less durable than firmer foam regardless of the type of foam). N3 Talalay is rated as a medium firmness by the foam manufacturer and at your BMI it should not be an issue. In some cases however a consumer can choose a mattress that is ā€œon the edgeā€ of being too soft for them when itā€™s new and in these cases even a very small amount of foam softening can put them over the edge of the range of comfort or support that is suitable for them. There is more about this in post #2 here. In these cases, the issue is not about the quality or durability of the materials but an issue of the comfort choice they made.

I hope you have the chance to let us know what the manufacturer says when you talk to them again. They may ask you to send in pictures showing the impressions (with a straight edge or string across the surface of the layers) and if you do it would be great to attach them to one of your posts as well.

Phoenix

Thanks for the reply. The mattresses were locally manufactured by Fawcett Mattress here in Victoria, BC, and are marketed as being 100% natural and organic. Check them out, I would be interested in seeing what your take on this is. I will say that the imprints are not ā€œslightā€. Manufacturer says it is the first time he has experienced something like this in 35 years of making mattresses. He said our new mattress looked like if it were 20 years oldā€¦after 1 week of use! It is laying on a new articulating bed, supplied by the same manufacturer. We did articulate the bed during the first week with the new mattressā€¦but after the mattress failed and we had it replaced with a new one we unplugged the adjustable bases to see if the articulating was part of the problem. But no, the new mattress is even worse than the first, just really sagging - without ever haven even articulated it. I will say, however, that although the product itself has been a nightmare, customer service has been top-notch, given the unfortunate circumstances. Now I am left with the option of returning the bed and bases for a full refund, or having the same company make me a new bed. At this point I am thinking of a refundā€¦and considering purchasing a top-of-the-line Strearns s & Foster. Any advice?

In reading many of the postings, Iā€™ve realized that much of what people know here is garnered more from sales reps and marketing. First off, thereā€™s no such thing as an ā€œactiveā€ system that does not have a closed loop feedback mechanism. So to say that a foam or other elastomeric material is ā€œactiveā€ when compared to an air spring is ludicrous at best. An active system would be something like an air spring with active pressure control which some mattresses actually have. That active control leverages automatically adjusting pneumatic valves w/ accumulator tanks and a pump. Letā€™s be real here - ALL elastomers experience compression set. So if you believe a sales rep that says their "foam, latex, gel, etc " doesnā€™t suffer from compression set they must be referring to something that has yet to be invented on the planet earth in the category of elastomers. I suggest the moderators either hire a degreed material science engineer or at the very least vet their communications through engineering professionals that could also help them do experiments to support some of the most outrageous claims Iā€™ve seen in this site. Iā€™d be more than happy to discuss any topic using actual physics, material science and fundamental engineering principles w/ closed form solutions to convey real facts to help support effective decision making.