I’d still like to hear from @empusa about how his friend’s Avocado topper allegedly had Talalay latex.
Me, too.
Hey Karen/ not “a Karen”,
Thanks for the lols, much appreciated in these crazy times! It’s a shame that one bad apple had to take a perfectly beautiful, classic name and turn it sideways with use of an entitled demeanor. Sounds like you’re a good sport and hopefully this too shall soon pass… 
Sensei
I don’t believe that the latex that Avocado substituted is for the GOLS is necessarily bad. In the topper that it had Talalay Global imprinted on the side if I remember correctly. The Talalay that they substituted is likely more expensive than the Dunlop that they normally use, but some people prefer the feel of Dunlop and it wasn’t as advertised. The Leggett and Platt coil system uses adhesive to adhere a synthetic layer to the top of the coil system; I don’t believe the material is unsafe. They do use some undisclosed synthetic, non-woven, non-stretch fabrics in the construction that I think contribute to the hardness of the mattress, but I don’t think this means that the mattress is unsafe.
I was unknowingly exposed to TDI in a workplace renovation for a prolonged period of time. (TDI is a very dangerous chemical that is used to manufacture polyurethane foams.) It caused me to become very ill, and ultimately I had a very severe reaction. TDI is a known sensitizer; consequently, I"m left with severe reaction to solvents, e.g VOCs.
The Avocado mattress doesn’t trigger any reaction.
However, I like the breathability and moisture control of wool, but the hidden, non-stretch, synthetic layers that they use defeat the purpose of the wool and stretch knit cover.
Yes, I’m certain; you insult me. It was imprinted on the side of the latex. Avocado/Brentwood Home was evasive, when I inquired. Ultimately, they acknowledged the substitution, but claimed that it was an error. I was told by another manufacturer that Avocado was understandably having some supply chain issues, during the COVID lockdowns, and was trying to find a source of latex. So, I didn’t buy that excuse for a minute.
Sensei, You know absolutely nothing of this issue, and you insult me. They did in fact substitute Talalay for the Dunlop; they finally acknowledged it; and I saw it with my own eyes. YOU’RE WRONG, and I don’t appreciate that you weigh in without understanding the facts.
It had Talalay imprinted on the side of the latex, “Talalay Global” if I remember correctly. Avocado was evasive, when I inquired. Finally Avocado acknowledged that they had substituted the Talalay for Dunlop, but insisted that it was a error. However, another manufacturer told me that Avocado was understandably having supply chain issues and was trying to source latex, so I don’t believe that the Talalay was used in error.
I’ve seen two videos of the Avocado mattress cut open that shows some synthetics materials used. The Legget and Platt does, in fact, adhere a synthetic layer to the top of the coil.
Actually, I’m less trusting of GOLS latex, as I understand that there are no emission standards and there is an allowable amount of other materials. I would trust 100% natural latex with OEKO-TEX 100 Class 1 and/or GOLS with OEKO-TEX 100 Class 1 certification.
It might be helpful to have photos if possible since this tends to clear up any of the speculation one way or another. Covid has done some really crazy stuff to supply chains so what we used to take for granted now has to be verified alot more since businesses are making decisions they need to survive rather than worry too much about marketing issues (can’t say I blame them). I know in the past I too had cut open a mattress and was commenting on the materials found inside. I commented that one of the layers was latex but someone else with alot more experience commented that it was impossible. I just left it because I know it was definitely latex but not worth arguing over. The reason I didn’t bother is because ultimately it’s not about being right. This site is about community and helping each other solve our mattress woes. Anyway if you do have photos of the labels/layers I’m sure many of us would be interested in seeing what you found.
It’s not in my house or my topper, and I’m not going to waste my time. There’s no speculation, as I saw “Talalay” molded on it with my own eyes, and Avocado acknowledged it. For the other part, feel free to waste your own time, searching for the two Youtube video, showing the mattress cut open. Not sure why people are so hesitant to believe that a company would only disclose the positive and be less than forthcoming and companies are deceptive. Surprise, surprise; people are dishonest. Believe what you will.
Here’s one of the videos, but no, I’m not going over to my friends house to unmake his bed, unzip his topper, and take photos for anyone… and yes, it’s the latex that was delivered, as I accepted the delivery for him and helped him move his mattress to his house and discovered the talalay imprint, when I was adjusting the latex inside the topper. Suffice it to say, I ordered a mattress that was in production at the same time, so I have every reason to believe that they used the same latex in it’s production, especially given the feel of it. This and some of the synthetics would likely not be such an issue for me if Avocado had been forthcoming about them. Consequently, Avocado has lost all credibility with me, and I have no assurance of the content.
His assessment seems consistent with the feel.
Below is a link to the second video. I wasn’t happy that they use fire barrier, rather wool alone, as their advertisements would lead you believe.
