latex with memory foam

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

but other than the natural memory foam can i trust its real latex i am paying for and itll last for years and have a reliable warranty as they say do you think?

Other than the “so called” natural memory foam (which I don’t believe is natural) … as far as I’m aware they use 100% natural latex in their base layers (but of course they can confirm this).

While I don’t think that for most people they would be the best “value” choice … they do use good quality materials and there are no obvious weak links in their mattresses that would compromise the durability or useful life of their mattresses.

A warranty is important to guard against manufacturing defects in the materials or components inside a mattress that can happen on rare occasions … but I would also keep in mind that mattress warranties only cover manufacturing defects and they don’t cover the gradual (or more rapid in the case of lower quality comfort layers) loss of comfort and support that comes from foam softening that is the main reason that most people will need to replace their mattress. In other words warranties have little to do with the durability or useful life of a mattress or how long it may be until you will need to buy a new one. If there is an actual defect in the materials it will usually show up early in the life of the mattress but knowing the quality and durability of the materials inside a mattress is always a much more reliable way to assess the durability and useful life of a mattress than the length of a warranty. There is more about mattress warranties in post #174 here.

There is no way to quantify how long any mattress will last for a specific person or predict exactly when you will decide to replace it because it is no longer suitable or comfortable for you (because this is the only real measure of durability or the useful life of a mattress that really matters) because there are too many unknowns and variables involved that are unique to each person … if a mattress is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and isn’t close to the edge of being too soft when it is new (see post #2 here) and you have confirmed that it meets the minimum quality/durability specs that are suggested in the guidelines here then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with higher quality and more durable materials like latex or higher density memory foam or polyfoam (in the comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or even longer and the chances that you would have additional “bonus time” would be higher as well.

hi so i had no luck from the links to find any latex n memory foam combos but my major concern is after reading a link saying that essentia cant say it doesnt have Fermaldahyde(huge concern) and vocs…i basically am ok with it being less natural like sleep country beds with memory foam that have been certified for the worst chemicals not being there

All the major brands (such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta) tend to use lower quality materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors that will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay and I would avoid any mattress where you aren’t able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see this article) and confirm that they meet the quality/durability guidelines here which would exclude almost all of the major brand mattresses and the major chain stores like Sleep Country that specialize in them (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here).

All foam materials have “some” VOC’s so it’s not possible for any manufacturer to claim that a mattress that contains any type of foam material (including polyfoam, memory foam, or latex foam) contains no VOC’s at all. The goal is to make sure that any materials in a mattress don’t contain harmful substances or VOC’s in amounts that would be harmful. The only reliable way to assess the “safety” of a material in more general terms is based on any laboratory testing and certifications they have for harmful substances and VOC’s (see post #2 here for more information about some of the reliable “safety” certifications) and if the materials in a mattress have a reliable “safety” certification then for most people they would be “safe enough”.

The amount of any particular substances would be more important than whether they are present at all. There are also many sources for formaldehyde inside the home besides just the materials in a mattress and there are also natural sources for it as well so there is even some formaldehyde in background amounts in ambient outdoor air (see post #6 here).

Phoenix

[debating]

thank you…oh so are you saying Essentia may not have a harmful amount of formaldahyde more than in nature or even some latex cores etc and that sleep countrys certipure memory foam topped beds are not necessarily better? although less countouring sounds like ill be getting latex from innovative sleep solutions(never been yet but trust byyour link that you trust it) or majestic. i hope these have less formaldahyde since for comfort i do like memory foam tops. the owner was saying that latex will contour too and gives better ortho support vs. memory foam…?

[debating]

hmm because i deal with some unexplained fatigue and am sensitiv e to fermaldehyde from testing i would prefer a bed with a tiny amount or no fermaldehyde but still within reach so between pure latex at innovative sleep or majestic, regular hybrids at sleep country or essentia is my best bet latex (and definitely not memory foam etc)?

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

[quote]so are you saying Essentia may not have a harmful amount of formaldahyde more than in nature or even some latex cores etc and that sleep countrys certipure memory foam topped beds are not necessarily better?

hmm because i deal with some unexplained fatigue and am sensitiv e to fermaldehyde from testing i would prefer a bed with a tiny amount or no fermaldehyde but still within reach so between pure latex at innovative sleep or majestic, regular hybrids at sleep country or essentia is my best bet latex (and definitely not memory foam etc)? [/quote]

Certifications can only identify whether the mattress is under the testing limits for that specific certification (which are listed in the post I linked in my last reply) and don’t “rank” them relative to each other or specify which are “best or worst”.

While it may be more information than you are looking for … there is a lot more information in post #2 here and the more detailed posts and information it links to about safe, natural, organic, “chemical free”, and “green” mattresses and mattress materials that can help sort through some of the marketing information and terminology that you will encounter in the industry and can help you differentiate between them and answer “how safe is safe enough for me” that can help each person decide on the types of materials they are most comfortable having in their mattress or on the certifications that may be important to them. These types of issues are complex and are generally specific to each person and their individual sensitivities, circumstances, criteria, beliefs, and lifestyle choices.

I would also avoid Sleep Country regardless of their certifications because they tend to focus on major brands that use lower quality materials that would be a weak link in their mattresses.

although less countouring sounds like ill be getting latex from innovative sleep solutions(never been yet but trust byyour link that you trust it) or majestic.

While I can’t speak to how any mattress will “feel” for someone else in terms of firmness, “comfort”, or PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances … outside of PPP (which is all about how well you will sleep on a mattress) the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is it’s durability and in terms of durability a mattress is only as good as its construction and the type, quality, and durability of the materials inside it (which is all about how long you will sleep well) regardless of the name of the manufacturer or the name of the mattress on the label. In other words I would make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can confirm there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress before making any mattress purchase … regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label. This means that I would only deal with retailers or manufacturers that are both willing and able to provide you with all the information you need to make an informed choice.

the owner was saying that latex will contour too and gives better ortho support vs. memory foam…?

There is more information about primary or “deep” support and secondary or “surface” support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the “roles” of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may be helpful in clarifying the difference between “support” and “pressure relief” and “feel”.

Latex and memory foam are both very “point elastic” (contour well to the shape of the body) but they are also very different materials. There is more about some of the pros and cons of latex vs memory foam in post #2 here but the best way to know whether you tend to prefer one or the other (or different materials completely) will be based on your own careful testing or personal experience.

Phoenix

[debating]

thank you! striclty fermaldehyde (or very harmful chemicals) speaking do you think theres a smaller amount in a latex bed as majestics?(inoovative sleep soultions tells me they carry the same brand too so im trusting based on your link its a credible place). because at sleep country they said if the latex bed costs 2000 or less then it cant be pure latex as their 4000 one(too pricey though) so i hope the majestic/innovative latex is still a better bed than spring+memory foam at sleep country. oh wow so even the pricier sleep country beds are made cheaply? i did hear of one sinking…

[phoenix]

Hi debating.

thank you! striclty fermaldehyde (or very harmful chemicals) speaking do you think theres a smaller amount in a latex bed as majestics?

There really isn’t any way for me to know for certain without seeing the specifics of any lab testing results on either the materials in the mattress or the complete mattress which generally aren’t available.

The only reliable way to assess the “safety” of a material in more general terms is based on any certifications they have for harmful substances and VOC’s and while for most people a CertiPUR certification (for memory foam or polyfoam) would be “safe enough” … it’s also possible that even with a certification some people may have a specific sensitivity to certain materials that for most people would be fine (some people with MCS or multiple chemical sensitivities for example may react to materials that the large majority of people would be fine with).

In very general terms and based only on anecdotal and “non scientific” information and “reports” you will find that of the three main foam materials memory foam will have the highest incidence of people that have complaints about “symptoms” they they experience followed by polyfoam followed by latex. There are also many people that are more concerned about sensitivities and “chemicals” in a mattress that tend to choose mattresses that contain more natural or even organic materials just to err on the side of caution.

because at sleep country they said if the latex bed costs 2000 or less then it cant be pure latex as their 4000 one(too pricey though)

I wouldn’t put much credence in the information that you are given at most larger chain stores.

so i hope the majestic/innovative latex is still a better bed than spring+memory foam at sleep country.

Again … there is more information about the 3 most important parts of “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for).

If you are defining “better” in terms of the quality and durability of a mattress then the only way to make these types of comparisons between specific mattresses is based on comparing the specifics of the materials inside them but the major brands in general tend to use lower quality and less durable materials that would be a weak link in their mattress.

The only “all latex” mattress at Sleep Country that would be “somewhat” comparable to one of the Renelle all latex mattresses would be the NaturaOrganics Eco Balance.
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Phoenix

[debating]

thanks! youd written somehwere you think highly of majestic though so have you found their latex beds are mostly pure nad not largely synthetic mixes? they say they are an organic store with pure latex. i know you said not to necessarily trust a large chain store but a competitor said that for 2000 it cant be pure because of the cost of latex nowadays. and even if its synthetic mixed in, is that still generally less toxic than memory foam topped beds?

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

thanks! youd written somehwere you think highly of majestic though so have you found their latex beds are mostly pure nad not largely synthetic mixes?

I do think highly of Majestic but I don’t know which of their mattresses your question is referring to. The 6" and 8" Restore mattresses and the Unison mattresses that they list on their website here are “all latex” mattresses that use certified organic Dunlop latex and don’t contain any synthetic latex or any other synthetic foam materials (only 100% natural Dunlop latex can be certified organic).

i know you said not to necessarily trust a large chain store but a competitor said that for 2000 it cant be pure because of the cost of latex nowadays.

They are clearly wrong.

and even if its synthetic mixed in, is that still generally less toxic than memory foam topped beds?

I think that I’ve answered this in my previous replies. All the latex you are likely to encounter (either Dunlop or Talalay that is made with either natural or synthetic rubber or a blend of both) will have a reliable certification such as Oeko-Tex, Eco-Institut, or Greenguard Gold (see post #2 here) and based on actual testing I would consider any type or blend of latex to be a very “safe” material in terms of harmful substances and VOC’s but the only way to make specific comparisons about VOC’s between any specific materials or mattresses would be based on seeing the lab testing results.

Phoenix

[debating]

thanks a ton, i think ive made my decision for tomorrow, innovative sleep solutions which i found in your link says they have the same brand latex beds as majestic but can give a better deal so i hope its just as trustworthy as majestic? the bed i have in mind is called tower, its by renell natures embrace organic100%(they said its more like 97% pure and then the binding agents of course). its a ten inch one for less than 2000 with boxing week. seems great, i hope the company innovative sleep is trsutworthy cuz im ready to buy it

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

innovative sleep solutions which i found in your link says they have the same brand latex beds as majestic but can give a bteter deal so i hope its just as good as majestic?

It would depend on whether you are comparing exactly the same mattress (most manufacturers make a range of different mattresses).

Once you have narrowed down your options to a list of finalists that are all choices between “good and good” and none of them have any lower quality materials or “weak links” in their design relative to your weight range and if there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations about each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials or types and blends of latex, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on “informed best judgement” based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix

[debating]

thanks! i just called he said its by renell natures embrace just like at majestic so as long as its a trustworthy company then i know the model (Tower) i want. i just trust it based on the link because ive called a place before that was selling latex at suspiciously low prices and had some bad reviews of getting a different bed,not pure like what theyd seen

[phoenix]

Hi Debating,

Nature’s Embrace is the name of a lineup of mattresses not an individual mattress so you would need to make sure that the specific mattresses you are comparing are the same in both stores.

I don’t see a “Tower” model on the Nature’s Embrace site.

Phoenix

[debating]

sorry last question i see on the majestic site they offer MEmory Biofoam coolgel and viscoform…would this be still under the category of memory foam with bigger traces of fermaldahyde etc than latex or just miniscule? also i noticed the natures embrace is not what id tried actually since it looks different and smooth and not wool cover…does the wool soften the bed?

[debating]

its the coolgel 7300 certipure https://www.majesticfuton.com/3320.php just dont know if the biofoam and gel part takes away the bigger incidence of fermaldehyde and heavy chems compared to latex

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

i see on the majestic site they offer MEmory Biofoam coolgel and viscoform…would this be still under the category of memory foam with bigger traces of fermaldahyde etc than latex or just miniscule?

Once again … the only way to know the level of formaldehyde or any specific VOC’s in any material or mattress is based on seeing the lab testing results. All you can know for certain is whether it is under the testing limits for the certification that it has.

The coolgel is a memory foam that has gel added to the memory foam. There is more information about gel memory foams in post #2 here.

also i noticed the natures embrace is not what id tried actually since it looks different and smooth and not wool cover.

Again … Nature’s Embrace is the name of a whole lineup of mattresses … not a specific mattress.

does the wool soften the bed?

You can read more about the effects of wool quilting in post #6 here. The only reliable way to know whether one mattress feels softer or firmer to you than another one will be based on your own careful testing or personal experience because it would also depend on all the other layers and components in the mattress other than the wool quilted cover and how they all interact together when you lie on it.

Phoenix

[debating]

Hi I wondered how to find out about dormeos lack of worst chemicals since its European foam (supposedly this should indicate its got a higher standard but the guy doesnt know of any tests to prove…should i trust it? he said fermaldehyde etc is only from China…the dormeo is heaven on my shoulder and supposedly they had one bad batch of foam but will be durable now…i hope the warranty with sleep country canada will be ok if the memory foam coil and lumbar support sags…

[debating]

http://www.trydormeo.com/ they also have a model on the american site to try risk free but i dont know if i can trust it wont be problematic

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

I wondered how to find out about dormeos lack of worst chemicals since its European foam (supposedly this should indicate its got a higher standard but the guy doesnt know of any tests to prove…should i trust it?

Once again … the only way to know the level of formaldehyde or any specific VOC’s in any material or mattress is based on seeing the lab testing results. All you can know for certain is whether it is under the testing limits for any certification that it has.

the dormeo is heaven on my shoulder and supposedly they had one bad batch of foam but will be durable now…i hope the warranty with sleep country canada will be ok if the memory foam coil and lumbar support sags…

The most important part of the “value” of a mattress purchase is how well it matches your unique needs and preferences in terms of “comfort” and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). No matter what the quality or price of a mattress or how long it will last … if it’s not a good match for you and you don’t sleep well on the mattress it would have little value to you.

Outside of PPP … the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t “feel” and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the type and quality of all the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label so I would always make sure that you are able to find out the information listed here so you can compare the materials and components in a mattress to the quality/durability guidelines here so you can confirm that there are no lower quality materials or obvious weak links in a mattress that would compromise the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

A warranty is important to guard against manufacturing defects in the materials or components inside a mattress that can happen on rare occasions but I would also keep in mind that mattress warranties only cover manufacturing defects and they don’t cover the gradual (or more rapid in the case of lower quality comfort layers) loss of comfort and support that comes from foam softening that is the main reason that most people will need to replace their mattress. In other words warranties have little to do with the durability or useful life of a mattress or how long it may be until you need to buy a new mattress. If there is an actual defect in the materials it will usually show up early in the life of the mattress but knowing the quality and durability of the materials in your mattress is always a much more reliable way to assess the durability and useful life of a mattress than the length of a warranty. There is more about mattress warranties in post #174 here.

There is also more about the Dormeo Octaspring mattresses in this topic and in this topic and a forum search on Dormeo and on Octaspring will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.

Phoenix

[debating]

thank you but how can i find out about reliable testing in europe (i dont know their equivalent of certipure and dormeo can do same as essentia and say its had its own good testing

[phoenix]

Hi debating,

how can i find out about reliable testing in europe (i dont know their equivalent of certipure and dormeo can do same as essentia and say its had its own good testing

They would need to tell you about any testing that has been done on their mattresses.

Essentia has some information about their VOC emissions here.

Phoenix