Hi npolite,
[quote]I am more between the Zotto and Leesa. Coming from the Simmons Pemberton which is what someone called a Wrestling matt, I just don’t know how soft I need to go this round. I think the Leesa may be a bit more firm over the Zotto and I don’t see many comments about the Zotto as it is fairly new.
I also like the Loom and Leaf but will need to get new sheets since it’s 12" and my full sheets don’t fit well on my current mattress with a 2" topper.
If anyone can shed additional light on the Zotto and it being better materials over the Leesa I would appreciate it. [/quote]
You can see some general comments about what I call “simplified choice mattresses” in general in post #1 here and you can see some more specific comments about the type and quality/durability of the materials in the Zotto and the Leesa and the Loom and Leaf along with many of the other “simplified choice” online mattresses in post #2 here in the same topic.
Forum searches on Zotto and on “Leesa” and on Loom Leaf (you can just click the links) will also bring up more posts with comments and feedback about each of them as well.
I would also keep in mind that different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that is firm for one can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see post #15 here) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science…
When you are making an online purchase you won’t be able to make side by side comparisons with other mattresses so you won’t be able to assess how the differences between each of them would feel for you or how they would compare based on your own actual experience (which may be different from someone else) so you won’t be able to know which one would have been the “best” choice for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP but they all have a very good return policy that lets you test them in your bedroom instead of a showroom with little risk.so even if the one you choose may not have been the “:best” choice … if it isn’t at least a “good enough” match for you in terms of “comfort”, firmness, and PPP then you can return it for a refund.
While I can’t speak to how any mattress will “feel” for someone else because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances … outside of PPP the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can’t see or “feel” and assessing the quality/durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.
As you can see in the posts I linked … I would be cautious with Leesa and Loom & Leaf but there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the Zotto relative to more average weight ranges (although I would be cautious if you are in a higher weight range that is more than about the lower 200’s or so).
When you can’t test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and “feel” of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.
Phoenix