Looking for a good King sized mattress in Waynesboro, PA

[phoenix]

Hi equestride,

First of all I want to say to Tooharsh that I am sorry I kinda high jacked your thread. Not sure if I should have tried to start another one or not but just wanted to respond here because of everything that was said previously.

I suspect that any comments or discussion with either one of you would be helpful to both of you but if for some reason Tooharsh would like me to separate this topic into two so that each of you have your own topic I’d certainly be happy to do so

I was hoping you could be of some guidance for us. Here are some info on my husband and I . Husband is 6ft about 240lbs and I am 5’4" 230lbs. We both are side sleepers but because of pain from coils poking me in my old bed (at least 18yrs old) I have been starting to sleep on my belly some. I guess I roll over because it’s hurting. I hurt badly from doing this. I am “curvy” in the front (as well as all over) so this is very uncomfortable…I don’t know why I stay this way till morning. Hubby sleeps with a ton of pillows …between knees, under his arms etc. He is very broad chested. I have a bad back and neck from horse back riding and ski accidents in my life. We are both 37yrs old. Trying to think if there is anything else that might be of help. Hubby said he is fine with any bed. He does tend to sleep hot and I tend to sleep cold from circulation issues.

Unfortunately I can’t feel what you feel or see you on the mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to suggest any specific mattress for someone else based on “theory” or specs (either yours or a mattress). Your own careful and objective testing is by far the best way to decide on a mattress that is the best match for you in terms of PPP (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).

I’m certainly happy to make some generic suggestions, point out warning signs that I can see, help with “how” to choose, and to comment on the quality of the materials (and Talalay latex is a high quality material) but your own personal testing is the best way to predict which mattress is most suitable for you.

Tonight we tried 3 beds. We ended up liking the “firm” Pamper and the “med firm” Nature of the Pure Bliss line. I think even though the Pamper is “firm”. it did not feel as firm as the Nature. According to the women there they said everyone says that. Not sure if it has anything to do with the fact that the Nature has 4" before the core instead of only 2 and the Natures second layer has a ILD (according to this website) of a 28 under a 21. While the Pamper is just a 21ILD. We definitely liked the Nature the best and if this wasn’t just a fluke then that is the one we would say fit us the best.

Pricing from this company ran as follows
Pamper (2nd choice) Q:$1999 K: $2199
Nature (1st choice) Q: $2199 K: $2399

Free shipping within our range and 90 days return policy. 100% returned but only in store credit and they had VERY few mattresses…everything else a coil it looked like.

Each person’s perceptions are unique to them and may not agree with others or even “most people” but I think her comments were more of a “feel good” reply because “most people” would feel that the Pamper was noticeably firmer than the Nature both because the comfort layers are thinner and because the support core is firmer.

If you aren’t confident that a mattress is a good choice for you then I would also keep in mind that the options you have after a purchase and the mattresses that are available that you can exchange for if it’s necessary can be an important part of each person’s personal value equation.

Now…we originally stumbled on here because of reviews of dreamfoam on amazon. I don’t believe it HAS to be a pure bliss but we want the most for our buck. Things I didn’t like was there was no way to customize the mattress other then adding a latex topper later. things I like about dreamfoam and Brooklyn Bedding etc… are that you can customize them to some degree. I don’t like that the dreamfoam has dropped their 2.35lb to 1.5lb density…based on info I read on this site. Seems to me that people with our weight could use a bit “more”.

If I was in your weight range then I would also consider a mattress with a higher density base foam than 1.5 lbs if the latex comfort layer was 3" including some of the latex hybrid mattresses made by Brooklyn Bedding which is their sister company and has several latex/polyfoam hybrid options that use 2.17 lb polyfoam in their base layers which would certainly be suitable for higher weights. The change happened long ago so it really isn’t relevant any longer because the value of a mattress depends on what else is available to you when you are buying a mattress and the market and the mattresses that are available always change over the years. They have also sold many more mattresses after the change than before it but you can see some of my comments about it in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

I would also keep in mind that just like local exchange options, the options ou have after a purchase including the option to exchange a layer if the firmness level you choose doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for can also be an important part of the “value” of a purchase so some of the other reasons to choose a different mattress may also be just as important as the base foam. I would also keep in mind that mattress exchange policies or layer exchange policies are built in to the cost of a mattress and the majority of customers that don’t exchange a layer or a mattress end up paying for the minority of the ones that do.

I am not sure what the density is on the pure bliss.

Density is a “comfort spec” with latex not a “quality spec” (firmer latex will also be denser which isn’t the case with other types of foam materials) so the density of latex isn’t important … only with polyfoam and memory foam (see the guidelines here). The type and blend of latex is the most important part of comparing latex and blended Talalay latex is one of the most durable foam materials available in the market. Having said that … it’s also true that the softness of any material including latex is also a secondary factor in durability because softer comfort layers generally be less durable than firmer comfort layers of the same type of material … especially with higher weights. There is more about all the variables that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

From what I understand Brooklyn Bedding will let you exchange the top layers for the first (is it 90 days?) with no charge? Not sure if I read that right and dreamfoam charges like $75 or something like that.

You can see Brooklyn Bedding’s exchange and return policy here.

As far as I know (and I would check to make sure of the specifics because it can change) … Dreamfoam charges you either $200 for a King or $150 for a queen or smaller and then refunds you half of that when the original layer is returned.

Also I wanted to mention the price above included their base and they said that we had to use that base or the warranty is null and void BUT on here and a few other places online I read that the foundation can be an issue to the comfort and “sagging” of the bed so that makes me a bit concerned.

The PLB warranty specifies that any suitable foundation is OK and some retailers I know won’t sell the PLB foundation with their mattresses because they are not the best choice for a latex mattress (as strange as it may be that they are selling a foundation that is lower quality than many people … including me … would be comfortable with). I would always make sure that when you are comparing mattresses that you are making “mattress only to mattress only” comparisons or at least that they both include similar quality foundations.

Anyway, I know this is a TON of info but if you can think of some place on-line etc… that may be a better direction to look into now that we kinda have a base line to go with… that would be great. I honestly would probably try dreamfoam if it wasn’t for our weight and the 1.5lb issue. Let me know what you think!
Thanks

The tutorial post includes this link to the members here that sell mattresses online and many of them (including Dreamfoam and Brooklyn Bedding) sell many different types of latex or latex hybrid mattresses with a wide range of features, options, designs and prices.

Phoenix