"Major" Brands Sealy Optimum?

Helloā€¦
Your help, responses are great and im hoping you can help me out as well/
I wanted to ask you what , how you felt about costcos sleep science 10 memory foam mattress. It currently sells for $749- cal king
I had previously purchased a novaform GEL memory foam mattress from them and it didnt hold up. Started to sag within months and it was to soft to begin withā€¦ I was at local outlet mattress store today and i laid on the seally optimum destiny. Felt good, firm but as noted in others posts cant find much info , specsā€¦ I have been sleeping on my futon for over a month because i dont want to make the wrong choice again, and for it my back is killing me:(

I do love costcos return policy but am not afraid to look elsewhereā€¦
I live in San Luis Obispo Ca

Any advice would be greatly appreciatedā€¦

Thomas

Hi thomas2929,

You can read a little more of my thoughts about buying from Costco in post #4 here and more about sleep Science in post #2 here.

A mattress is only as good as the quality of its construction and materials and they donā€™t list the quality of the memory foam or the polyfoam layers. Without this there is no way to make a meaningful assessment of a mattress. If you look at the old Southbay site here though you will see that the Emma uses 3" of 3 lb memory foam and 2" of 1.5 lb polyfoam underneath that which would both be too low quality/density for me to consider. They are also not CertiPur certified which is one of the criteria I use for all Chinese memory foam mattresses so they donā€™t meet the guidelines I use in terms of CertiPur and foam quality so I would tend to avoid them.

Some of the better options Iā€™m aware of in the San Luis Obispo area are listed in post #2 here and some of the better online memory foam options I know of are listed in post #12 here.

Just in case you havenā€™t read it ā€¦ post #1 here is always the best place to start your mattress research.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix, Thanks for all the information you provide to help us become better informed consumers. I also had zeroed in on the Sealy Optimum Destiny, but have become very reluctant after reading your posts. I have a herniated L5-S1 disc, and have been having so much low back pain that I canā€™t stay in the bed more than 6 hours. I found that while on vacation, sleeping on a ā€œnot so greatā€ innerspring mattress, I was able to sleep 8 hours and wake up with no stiffness or discomfort. That trip confirmed my suspicion that my mattress (11 year old Sealy Reflexion latex) was exacerbating my back pain. I need a thin mattress (not more than 10 inches) that offers good firm support, but is comfortable for side sleeping. Do you know of any maufacturers that still make high quality thin innerspring mattresses? The one I bought 30 years ago was great, and lasted almost 20 years. I would love to find something like that again, but they are all too thick for my high bed. I live in Southeastern NC.
Thanks!

Hi SENCMom,

The first place I would start in case you havenā€™t read it already is post #1 here which has the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible and most informed choices.

Hopefully you will be able to find a mattress that has the same quality of materials as your old mattress although in most cases the only foam material that is more commonly available that will last this long (at least for most people) is firmer latex.

Iā€™m not sure where in SE North Carolina you are but there is a list centered on Fayetteville in post #155 here, centered on the Wilmington / Jacksonville area in post # 5 here, and centered on Morehead City, NC in post #5 here.

Phoenix

Phoenix,
Roy here, looked at several mattresses in Mobile,Al. area. Like the Jamison TLC collection ā€™ Lady Lark ( 2" soft talalay, 2" more talalay, 6" firm talalay, 2" supportive base form) and also in same collection ā€™ Gold leaf ( 2" soft talalay, 2" more soft talalay, 7" Ultra-Premium High Density, Famous Hotel Foam Core). Whatā€™s your opinion on these. I can get the Lady lark for $1,999.00 vs $1,550.00. You think itā€™s worth the extra 450 dollars for the Lady Lark when comparing materials on both? Appreciate your input. Roy

Hi rgd53,

From a quality point of view both of these use good quality materials and there are no ā€œweak linksā€ in either of them.

From a ā€œvalueā€ point of view ā€¦ most mattresses made by the same manufacturer and sold at the same retailer would have similar value across the lineup based on the cost of the materials and components. The main difference is in the support layer where one uses mostly latex which is a more costly material and the other uses polyfoam.

You can read a little more about some of the differences between an all latex mattress (and I would put the Lady Lark in this category in spite of the 2" polyfoam layer on the bottom) and a latex/polyfoam hybrid (such as the Gold Leaf) in post #2 here.

The Lady Lark would certainly be ā€œworth itā€ based on the quality and cost of the materials themselves (latex is a higher quality material even than good quality polyfoam) but whether it is worth it to you personally would depend on your own personal testing and on any differences that you feel between them and whether you preferred one mattress over another in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Each personā€™s perceptions, preferences, and Personal value equation may be very different from the next and the criteria and tradeoffs that are most important for each person can vary widely.

Phoenix

PS: You had a duplicate post so I switched them both to the same thread.

Hi Phoenix,

I am looking for a new mattress and have to say the process has been overwhelming. I was going to go with a ā€œname brandā€ until i came across your site. I live on Long Island, NY. Can you recommend any places where I can get a quality mattress that I will have for a long time. I have been looking at the memory foam mattresses, mainly the Sealy Optimum line. Looking for something med firm to firm. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thank you
craig

Hi craigb75,

Hopefully youā€™ve already read it but in case you havenā€™t then post #1 here has the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice.

The better options Iā€™m aware of in the Long Island area are listed in post #4 here.

Phoenix

I went to www.xtrememattress.com/ and seemed to like a mattress there. It was a king sized mattress that the guy claimed was a latex core with 3" of natural plush latex on top. The bed was called tranquility and seemed cheap at $1399. He claimed that the bed was made by the Amish. Have you heard of these amish beds? If so how is the quality. Seems thatā€™s thereā€™s no real way of telling whats in the bed except taking the guys word for itā€¦

Hi Vik,

You can see some of my comments about Extreme Mattress and some comments about Dutch Craft (which is an Amish manufacturer that they carry) in post #4 here and in post #29 here.

There is also more about the most important parts of the ā€œvalueā€ of a mattress purchase in post #13 here.

Outside of careful testing for PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post ā€¦ the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is knowing the type and quality of all the materials and layers inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label.

If you can provide the specifics of the mattress you are considering (see this article) and post them on the forum Iā€™d be happy to make some comments about the materials or let you know if I can see any potential weak links in the mattress.

Phoenix

Ok thanks for the help. It seems that Dutch Craft has gotten some decent reviews.

I called dutch craft and they said the particular bed i was looking at was 88% polyurethane foam pad and 12% blended polyester fiber batting (poly fiber 56% rayon 44%) latex foam. She then verbally said it was two inches of talalay latex and that to her knowledge they donā€™t use any dunlop.

Opinions?

this is the 4922 - Romance - tranquility plush

Hi Vik,

Unfortunately the specs you listed are incomplete and arenā€™t specific enough for me to make any meaningful comments about the mattress.

If you can provide the information listed here and post it on the forum Iā€™d be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials or let you know if I can see any obvious weak links in the mattressā€¦

Phoenix

I really like what Iā€™m reading about latex at Brooklyn Bedding. Is there a comparable mattress co. That sells latex mattresses that I could lay on to try the feels of it? Is it similar to foam?

Hi Giddy,

While there probably wouldnā€™t be a mattress that feels the same because the designs would be different, there are usually some local retailers or manufacturers that carry latex or latex hybrids that would give you the chance to test different types and firmness levels of latex so you could get a sense of what it feels like in general.

If you let me know your city or zip code Iā€™d be happy to let you know about any of the local options or possibilities Iā€™m aware of.

Phoenix

We are in the 30824 area. We have some tight time constraints in getting a new mattress so I will have to shop locally.
Thanks for all your suggestions!

Hi Giddy,

When I posted my last reply I didnā€™t notice that you had already asked and I had already provided you with a link to the better options or possibilities Iā€™m aware of that are close to you in my earlier reply here :).

Phoenix

Thanks, Phoenix. I added the area code because we actually are west of Augusta and I thought that there would be something on the Atlanta side.

Hi Giddy,

The forum lists usually include the area within a radius of about 50 miles so the Augusta list would normally include the better possibilities Iā€™m aware of in the Thomson area as well but there is also another list that is centered around Athens, GA here which has a couple of ā€œpossibilitiesā€ in the Thomson area so Iā€™ve also added them to the Augusta, GA/Aiken, SC list and Iā€™ve also added one more possibility in Martinez which carries Jamison mattresses although Jamison didnā€™t know if they carried any of their latex models. It would be a good idea to call any of these before you go there to confirm whether they have any latex mattresses on their floor.

Phoenix

Just purchased a Southerland Symphony luxury firm mattress. It was hard the first few nights, but molded to my back and feel lots of support. I am concerned that the middle of the king bed feels like a hump there. The brochure that came with the mattress said that indentions would form as the mattress adjusts. We have only had it a week. Does this sound normal?

Hi Giddy,

Iā€™m not sure if you mean the middle going across the mattress or the middle going from head to foot (in the middle of each side). If itā€™s the first it could be the lumbar support layer in the mattress and if itā€™s the second then it would most likely be connected to the foundation you are using under the mattress which could be firmer in the middle where the two twin XL foundations come together than it is on each side.

This is a ā€œnormalā€ caution that is often used to ā€œconditionā€ people to the possibility or even likelihood that any lower quality or softer comfort layers may soften or break down prematurely. While some small degree or minimal softening or impressions would be normal ā€¦ it shouldnā€™t happen to any large degree with a mattress that uses good quality materials in the comfort layers.

If you can find out the specifics of the materials inside your mattress and post them on the forum (see this article) Iā€™d be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials inside your mattress and let you know if I can see any weak links in the mattress that could soften or break down and form virtual or visible impressions that were ā€œtoo deepā€ too quickly. Based on the description here (which doesnā€™t include the layer thicknesses or the foam densities) ā€¦ the quilting and comfort layers of your mattress could easily contain more than ā€œabout an inch or soā€ of lower quality/density foam that could be a weak link in your mattress and could result in premature softening and impressions.

Phoenix