After researching on your site and many others, I purchased an Urban Green Mattress and Cover, and waterproof mattress pad a year ago from Foam Sweet Foam. Iām a cold-natured woman of 110 lbs. Most all sources say latex does not sleep hot, but my 100% latex mattress feels like it retains heat. It isnāt hot when I go to bed, but quickly heats up and Iām continually turning over about every 20 minutes trying to cool off.
A few months ago I purchased a 100% bamboo mattress topper, hoping it would put enough space between my body and the mattress to help keep me cool. It helps some, but not enough. My sheets are 100% Egyptian Cotton 300 thread count Percale. My latex mattress is resting on plywood which is set on a bed frame. Making the room cooler just makes the top side of my body cold, while the mattress side of my body is still hot. Other than the temperature issue, I love the comfort of the latex mattress. Iām losing a lot of sleep and feeling desperate. Do you have any other suggestions on how to keep cool?
Hi Jacqulyn.
Welcome to our Mattress Forum! 
Good to hear that although you have some temperature issues, the Urban Green Mattress meets your comfort and support needs. It is very likely that with a bit of detective work youāll be able to track down the contributing factors and adjust your sleeping microclimate.
All foams are insulators (rather than heat conductors) so to some degree they will all be warmer than mattresses that contain no foam at all (such as mattresses that only have an innerspring and layers of natural fibers on top) but these tend to be premium or super premium mattresses and for the most part almost all mattresses have some type of foam in the comfort layers.
It is important to recognize that no two people are alike, and even with naturally derived materials such as latex that is known to be the most breathable and ātemperature neutralā relative to all the different types of foam materials, how it feels to a particular individual is very personal and usually is the result of many interconnected variables including room temperature, humidity, sheets, bedding, and bedclothes, mattress protector or any mattress pads or toppers being used, and of course where you are in the āoven to icebergā range. The firmness of the mattress and how much you sink into the mattress is also an important factor that can affect the sleeping temperature in addition to the fact that some people can sleep warmer on mattresses that most people are generally fine with.
There is more about tracking down a potential cause or causes for temperature regulation issues (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) in post #2 here.and the posts it links to that may be helpful, but generally speaking the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to your skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin.
A mattress breaths from all sides to different degrees and placing your mattress upon plywood would prevent the mattress ventilating from underneath which may be a large contributor to the heat buildup you are experiencing. You may wish to consider something like a coir bed rug under the mattress. or placing your mattress on firm breathable slated base that allows for sufficient air flow.
The waterproof mattress pad/protector you are using may have a significant effect on the temperature regulation because it can add to the insulating effect or to the moisture wicking effect of your mattress. You can see more about the effect of different mattress protectors in post #89 here.
The best way to track down where temperature issues are coming from would be to look at all the layers between your skin and the floor to see if any of them could be contributing to the temperature issue. Layers or materials that are closer to you and are more breathable and allow for more moisture wicking will help with temperature regulation issues while layers that allow for less airflow or moisture wicking that are closer to you can make them worse.
Your sheets are cotton so this shouldnāt be an issue and a 300 thread count would not be high enough to trap the heat. Linen sheets are probably the coolest sleeping type of fabric but they can also be costly. There is more about how different types of mattress protectors can affect sleeping temperature in post #89 here . Finally the next layers down would normally be the mattress itself which includes the cover and the top layers of foam.
Your blankets and bedding and the temperature or humidity of the room can also make a difference if there are no layers underneath you that can be changed that are part of the underlying cause of the temperature issue.
Wool is among the best temperature regulating material but I would also keep in mind that it regulates temperature in both directions (itās used in the desert and also in cold climates because of this) so while it may not feel ācoolā ā¦ it generally doesnāt feel āhotā either and it also helps to regulate moisture (which can trap heat) and reduce the perception of temperature that comes from higher humidity levels (similar to how temperatures feel cooler on less humid days than they do on more humid days).
In many cases changing the mattress protector, sheets, or bedding to cooler versions can make āenoughā of a difference for many people who would otherwise sleep hot on a mattress. It would also be worth mentioning that your face and head is also a major part of how your body regulates temperature and a cooler pillow can sometimes make a surprising difference in how warm you sleep as well. Temperature issues are usually a combination of factors and can be a bit complex, but with a bit of experimenting and adjusting your sleeping microclimate, youāll be able to get the cool and quality sleep and rest you are looking for.
Iāll be interested to learn about how you progress through your evaluation and any changes that you are able to make.
Phoenix
[color=black]Iāve been looking at assembling a mattress using components from Mattresses.net, I actually emailed them and got a less than ideal response, only one question was answered in the response, a grand total of two lines. Hoping for a more informative answer.
" Iāve been considering a DIY mattress build and I have a few questions about the construction. I am 5ā 11" and 155 lbs, my girlfriend is about 5ā 7" and 140 lbs. We both prefer a very plush bed and are not worried about the āfeelā being too soft; however, we are a bit worried about it not providing proper support and alignment if it is layered too soft.
The current build would be a 15" King mattress layered as follows:
- 3" Talalay Copper Infused Topper - 15 ILD
2.[ul][li] 3" Plush Rejuvenite Talalay Topper - 19 ILD
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[li]3" Talalay Copper Infused Topper - 21 ILD[/li]
[/li][/ul] - 3" Puralux Slow Recovery Topper - 24 ILD
- 6" Zoned Dunlop Core - 31/35 ILD
- 15" Bamboo Wool Cover
- Copper Infused Mattress Protector
I have read that a difference of more than ~5 ILD in comfort layers can lead to feeling like you are ābottoming outā, which is exaggerated in the lower ILD offerings. The Rejuvenite or second Copper Infused topper would serve as an intermediate layer to counteract that feeling. [b]Would there be any benefit to adding a second Copper Infused topper instead of the Rejuvenite, or vice versa?
The more important questions is would 9" of comfort layers at 15/19-21/24 ILD be inadequate for providing the necessary spinal alignment?[/b]
The second question is about the core. I like the theory behind the zoned core, but with 9" of comfort layers on top, would there be any appreciable difference in feeling or alignment/support between the different zones? As far as felt differences go, would one even feel a difference between Dunlop or Talalay at that point?
I would appreciate any advice you could give, thank you! "
The response I received was to omit the Puralux, and use the 15 ILD copper and the 19 ILD Rejuvenite and the rest of the build looked good. I assume this meant to completely omit the third comfort layer and do Copper-15|Rejuvenite-19|Core, for a total 6" of comfort layers, though it was not very clear. Nothing else was answered, so I am hoping for some more in depth answers. I would like to go with 15" just for future flexibility and fine tuning.
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Hi Yodwinder.
Welcome to our Mattress Forum!
Designing and building your own mattress can be a lot of fun but can also be quite frustrating and involves a lot more knowledge of how different materials, layers, and components interact than many people suspect and I woulddo some more DIY research by reading option 3 in post #15 here and the posts it links to (and option #1 and #2 as well) so that you have more realistic expectations and that you are comfortable with the learning curve, uncertainty, trial and error, or in some cases the higher costs that may be involved in the DIY process.
This is a good question ā¦ your ādesign of 15ā of latex would be much more than needed at your BMI and weight for your comfort/support needs and in this case excessive thickness in combination with the plushness of the top 3 Talalay layers may be totally counterproductive. . I am not sure what the reason is for going with a 15" thick mattress , but the comfort layers in your DIY come to a total of 9" of Talalay latex layers with ILDs between 15-24. This would be much too plush/soft and may compromise your posture and alignment. This renders
The compression of each layer (mainly controlled by thickness, firmness, compression modulus, hysteresis, and position along with a few other specs) are what creates the pressure relieving cradle of a mattress in the top layers which re-distributes weight and pressure on the bony prominences and pressure points of the body while the resistance to further compression of the deeper layers is what āstopsā the heavier parts of the body from sinking down too far and putting the spine and joints out of their natural alignment. The balance between the opposing needs of pressure relief and spinal alignment is the main factor behind all mattress design and theory and why different mattresses match the body types and sleeping positions and preferences of different people ā¦ or donāt.
So the key is to make your best choice in terms of the latex type and properties you are looking for (I would identify the qualities that are most important to you) and to choose the thickness that would solve the specific reasons you are looking for this material in the first place ā¦ be most suitable for your body type, sleeping positions, preferences, and the layering of the mattress it is going on, ā¦ and has the best combination of and tradeoff between cost and quality that you are comfortable with. A good starting point for a comfort layer is 2" (even less in some cases depending on what you are trying to achieve) and then add thickness if you have specific reasons to do so and if your mattress design has enough āroomā to add extra thickness without compromising support and alignment.
For example a 6" of base/support system and a 4-6" comfort/transition layer system could give you all you need. It is very rare that anyone would need more than 12" thickness. The example below would be a more balanced design for an average person of your weight range that desires a thicker mattress.
6" of 35 ILD Support base
2-3" of 28 ILD transition
2" of Soft Latex (24 ILD)
1" of Plush Latex (19)
Optional 1" of 15 ILD (if you really think you want the top to be ultra-soft)
While I understand what you āmeanā by ābottoming outā, I want to comment that you wonāt be compressing the stacked foams to their minimum thickness. All of the foam layers of a mattress work together, not individually or sequentially, so youāre desiring something in the transition layer that matches better with the ācompressed ILDā of the uppermost layer so that this transition from the comfort layers to the base foam isnāt so abrupt, if I understand this correctly.
While you wouldnāt have any reason to be concerned with ābottoming outā even for lower ILD ranges (especially for very small +_ 5 ILD variations in firmness), your intuition is correct in that generally speaking you will āfeelā more of the upper layers than the deeper layers within the mattressā¦ Unless you are the āPrincess and the Peaā type it is not very likely that you would feel much difference between the Dunlop and Talalay or the zoning all the way down through the 9" of top layers. Dunlop, of course, has a different āfeelā and performance than Talalay and is less lively or springy. You can see a comparison between them in post #7 here. With thinner comfort layers some people would notice more of a difference than others with transition or support layers that used each material if the top layers were the same type of latex. I am not privy to your conversation with Arizona Premium, but I agree with their response to youā¦ and it would make sense that they would advise you to skip the third comfort layer and go for a 12ā maximum.
Good luck and Iād be curious to know what you ended up deciding. Arizona is one of our Expert members here and you can always reach out directly to them thourh the Ask an Expert feature of our forum.
Phoenix
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Designing and building your own mattress can be a lot of fun but can also be quite frustrating and involves a lot more knowledge of how different materials, layers, and components interact than many people suspect and I would do some more DIY research by reading option 3 in post #15 here and the posts it links to (and option #1 and #2 as well) so that you have more realistic expectations and that you are comfortable with the learning curve, uncertainty, trial and error, or in some cases the higher costs that may be involved in the DIY process.[/quote]
I tend to DIY and over complicate everything I do so I know what Iām getting myself into here. I also donāt have any illusion about this being cheaper than going pre-built, though if it was I wouldnāt complain.
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The reasoning behind 15" is really just for the aspect of fine tuning and was actually inspired by the 16" offering from Foam Sweet Foam, though they include the wool in the cover in their measurement. I am not dead set on a 15", it just seemed like the option with the most flexibility for customization now and in the future. The misalignment and lack of support, however, is exactly what I was worried about. I had a feeling that would be the case, but I wanted to be sure before I purchased anything.
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The most important qualities would be as much plushness as I could reasonably get while maintaining proper support and alignment. We are both side sleepers, and occasionally back, though I feel that has more to do with how āhammockedā the current mattress is. Typically we are almost strictly side sleepers.
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You are correct, the perception of an abrupt transition, or lack thereof, between layers is what I was looking to avoid.
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This is where the advice differs and the waters get kind of murky. Arizona suggested simply removing the #3 layer which would have been the Puralux topper, and opting for the Rejuvenite topper for layer #2. That would have left the layers at 15/19/31-35. That is greatly different from your suggestion and would seem like it may run into the aforementioned issue of lack of alignment and support due to the 19 ILD essentially amounting to the ātransitionā layer, instead of your suggestion of a 28 ILD foam.
I also wanted to use the 3" copper topper because of the heat conductance/dispersion effects, though I donāt know how much of an impact it would truly make as I was unable to find much in the way of feedback on that particular product. With your suggestion of using 1" of 15 ILD on top of 2" of 19 ILD, I am afraid that 3" of 15 ILD may cause the same āhammockā feeling that I am dealing with now. At the same time, if I went for the 19 ILD copper and put a 1" 15 ILD topper on it, it entirely defeats the purpose of the copper.
This is currently my revised build:
- 3" Copper Topper - 15 ILD
- 2" Blended Talalay - 22 ILD
- 2" Blended Talalay - 28 ILD
- 6" Blended Talalay Core - 36 ILD
- Bamboo/Wool cover - 14"
- Copper Mattress Protector
That brings it down to 13" and the layers are more balanced while still retaining the copper topper as the uppermost layer. Again, if you feel that 3" of 15 ILD would be truly detrimental, please let me know and Iāll explore other options in lieu of that. Also, due to the lack of a 13" cover, I chose the 14" as not to āpre-loadā the layers with the 12", though I do worry about the layers sliding. Would be interested in your opinion on that as well, donāt really care to straighten layers every night before bed.
Thanks!
Hi Yodwinder.
It looks like you are making good progress and are on the right track.
Aside from being a preference choice, the main benefit of a thicker latex mattress is that it can be more adaptable for heavier weights (30 + BMI) and multiple sleeping positions. It will compress from softer to firmer more gradually which means that there is more ārangeā of compression without the mattress becoming too firm for heavier weights (or parts of the body).
As your BMI is 33+ and a side sleeper I understand why you are looking at thicker options that allow for after purchase customization, but IMO a 12" would be enough for to give you the best of both worlds. Just to give a bit of perspective, in the large majority of cases ā¦ 8" - 9" of latex is thick enough to include the combination softer layers (or sometimes sections) for pressure relief and firmer layers for the support that most people of average or even higher weights would need. People that have much higher body weights or larger body types may choose more than the āaverageā thickness and may prefer the feel and extra adaptability of say 12" of latex. Thicker mattresses can also use firmer materials because thickness and softness are closely related and work together. These would be all good questions to ask the manufacturer or retailer of a mattress/components so they can discuss the differences between the different options they have available in terms that are more specific to the layers they use or options they provide.
At your BMI and being primarily side sleepers, 12" thickness would be more than enough to achieve the right comfort/plushness level you desire and provide the needed support, and I would tend to agree with you about the āhommockedā issues in your current mattress.
Arizona mattress advice is very valuable and appropriate as it relates to your particular needs and preferences; To clarifyā¦ the āsuggestionā in the previous post was not tailored specifically for you and for your personal preferences (e.g. āas much plushness as I could reasonably getā)ā¦ it was a general example connected with the thickness aspect of a ātypicalā construction for someone of your BMI to show that 16" thickness is more than most people would need. I do not make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first āruleā of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best āmatchā for you in terms of ācomfortā, firmness, or PPP or how a mattress will āfeelā to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or ātheory at a distanceā that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).
I would work closely with Ken/Arizona or in general with any manufacturer or retailer that supplies your components as they are much more familiar with their own designs and materials than anyone else (including me) and they can use the information you provide them about your body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your local testing to make suggestions based on the āaveragesā of other customers that may be similar to you.
You are correct that a 13" is more realistic and as far as the copper topperā¦ Talalay Global adds copper in one of their specialty products to add a small addition of heat transfer. Latex, in general, is the most breathable and ātemperature neutralā of all the different types of foam materials but the firmness of a mattress and how much you sink into it can also affect sleeping temperature as well. Keep in mind that there are so many variables involved (including your room temperature and humidity, your sheets and bedding and bedclothes, your mattress protector or any mattress pads you are using, and where you are in the āoven to icebergā range) and some people can sleep warmer on mattresses that most people are generally fine with ā¦ there is more about tracking down a potential cause or causes for temperature regulation issues (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) in post #2 here and the posts it links to that may be helpful.
A tighter cover, of course, would allow for less shifting than a looser one. Generally speaking a zip cover with loose layers can have some layers slightly shift or bunch a little and this has to be weighed against the advantage of changing layers either initially or down the road if one layer softens or wears out faster than the others or if needs or preferences change so you can replace an individual layer without replacing the whole mattress. Separate layers also act a little more independently and will āactā a little softer although other factors (such as ILD or layer thickness) will affect this as well. Latex is very sticky so loose layers tend to stay put and if for some reason they do shift over time or because you move the mattress or put it on its side itās an easy process to unzip the cover and āwaveā the layers back into position. There is more about a finished mattress that is tape edged vs a component mattress with a zip cover in post #2 here.
I look forward to hearing about the construction youāve settled for after you had a chance to speak it over with Ken. I am sure that many visitors would benefit from your learning experience
Phoenix
Weāre on the wrong track here lol. I think youāre responding to someone else but quoting my post.
Hi Yodwinder.
:lol: That does itā¦ and serves me well for working on more than one post at a time. Name correction to get us on the right track 
ā¦ the content is yours thoughā¦ Iāll edit the post to reflect the intended recipient.
Phoenix
I took your advice and am now sleeping much cooler. My latex mattress was resting on plywood. I replaced it with the coir bed rug as you suggested. I also replaced the waterproof mattress pad/protector with a mattress pad made from bamboo. These changes have made a significant difference in my sleeping comfort. I am sleeping much better, no complaints now. Thank you, Phoenix, for being available to us to offer your expertise in sleeping comfort. I am very grateful.
Hi Jacqulyn.
Thank you for your kind wordsā¦ I am glad we could be of assistance, but above all, I am very glad that you are sleeping much better and that you tracked down and solved the temperature issues you mentioned in Post $16 :lol:
Phoenix
Hello Phoenix,
Iāve been reading lots of material on your site (including tutorial) in an effort to understand more about latex mattresses and how to make an informed decision. We made a less than satisfactory decision with our last mattress and are determined to get it right this time, so are spending a lot more time on research and homework!
A post that caught my attention was about the customizable split king Presto mattress whose layers can be rearranged to suit each personās comfort. This makes sense to me if itās really as easy and practical as they say to rearrange the layers. However, all layers are made of organic Dunlop latex and Iād like to know how this construction would compare to the same in 100% Talalay, or a Talalay blend combination. What Iāve read on the site is that Dunlop has a firmer feel and a less consistent manufactured composition.
What is your opinion on a 100% Dunlop mattress compared to Talalay?
Are there other companies who make a similar customizable style in either Dunlop or Talalay?
- Iām also curious about the pros and cons of Talalay blends that contain 30% natural latex and balance is synthetic.
I live in Canada in an area where the opportunities to visit retailers and test various latex mattresses is very limited without travelling to major centres, so most of my research is being done online. Your site and forum information is extremely helpful in making the right decision. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and valued opinions.
Hi Q8canuck.
Thank you for your kind words and appreciation of our site. You are certainly making good use of it and have learned a great deal in the process and while I am sorry to hear about your past āless than satisfactoryā mattress decision, I am glad that you are ādetermined to get it right this timeā.
You are correct that a configurable system is āeasy and practicalā and offers the user the flexibility to customize the feel of a mattress not only immediately after the purchase, but also in the future, without having to replace the entire mattress. There are versions of customizable systems that use all latex, latex with polyfoam cores, memory foam with polyfoam or innerspring cores, and even versions using only polyfoam. As you discovered this can be especially useful when ordering something online, as it gives the consumer a bit of a āsafety netā to be able to replace/rearrange layers if their selection doesnāt feel as they had hoped after ordering. MFCās Presto is a 10" all natural organic mattress, that has a top- brass zipper cover that will allow you to open and rearrange the 4 latex layers inside for each side in the split king to match each partner comfort needs.
Your understanding is correct that Dunlop and Talalay of the same thickness and ILD wonāt feel the same in terms of their firmness for most people because they have a different response curve and compression modulus (how quickly a material becomes firmer as you sink into it more deeply). You can see a comparison between Dunlop and Talalay in post #7 here . It is also true that Dunlop is less consistent in its cell structure (has a wider variety of cell size, shape, and structure) which along with its particle dispersion is what accounts for its greater compression modulus. It also uses more latex in the foam (a higher ratio of rubber to air) and is denser. Dunlop has a different āfeelā and performance than Talalay and is less lively or springy but ultimately your own experience is really the only way to know which one you prefer with any certainty. Some people would notice more of a difference than others but generally you will āfeelā more of the upper layers than the deeper layers ā¦ at least when you first lie on a mattress. This is why I recommend that
Talalay and Dunlop have often been compared to angel food cake vs pound cake. Talalay has a more consistent and even and stronger cell structure because even though there is less latex overall ā¦ the cell walls or āstrutsā are thicker and more consistent. There is a little more about the differences in āfeelā between Dunlop and Talalay in post #7 linked above.
These component systems are/have been quite popular for many years, and a quick glance at the members of the site will show that many of them offer such component style systems, as well as other mattress companies who are not site members here. Depending on the manufacturer/retailer these systems can be offered in Talalay or Dunlop only or a combination of both. As you already discovered we have a few Canadian Trusted members who offer All latex high quality great value component style systems
You already are aware and engaged in a conversation with one of our Canadian Experts The Mattress & Sleep Company who is closer to your location and who have all latex Talalay mattress options that you can try.
Memory Foam Comfort that you mentioned with their Presto customizable organic (Dunlop) mattresses another of our Expert Members of the site .
Dormio Organic Beds yet another one of our Expert manufacturers of the site have also a wide range of customizable āhead to toeā latex mattresses and ship nationwide.
Iād suggest that you call
Synthetic Latex - Styrene-Butadiene rubber (SBR) Latex that is a man-made molecular equivalent of natural rubber Latex (developed during WWII when natural rubber Latex became scarce). Blended Latex is a proprietary blend of natural and synthetic Latex (e.g. 30/70). Latex is blended to optimize the desired attributes of Latex foam rubber for its given manufacturing process and end product. It is less expensive than natural rubber and it is more consistent and durable. There is more about 100% natural and blended Talalay in post #2 here . It is also more difficult to work with to make a consistent firmness so the natural Talalay can be made softer than most Dunlop (except continuous pour Dunlop) but not as soft as blended Talalay. The two different versions of Talalay are very similar in feel and are lighter and more ālivelyā than Dunlop.
My best suggestion at this point is to determine if you like the feel of Dunlop or of Talalay by visiting one of the stores TAMASC mentioned and to place a few calls along the way or engage some of tour experts on the forum as they would be the best to answer many of the questions that you may have as they are much more familiar with their own mattress designs and materials than anyone else and they can use the information you provide about you and your partnerās body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your in-home or local testing to make suggestions based on the āaveragesā of other customers that may be similar to you. Of course, Iād keep an eye on the options you have available and your ability to exchange layers or the mattress itself or use the other forms of fine-tuning the mattress after your purchase or the return policy may also be an important part of your personal value equation or to offset the risk that can go with any online purchase.
Based on the thought you are putting into this and the care you are taking with all the research you are doing I think you will certainly end up choosing between some great options.
Phoenix
Thank you for your helpful commentsā¦more information to digest and still more homework to be done!
Hi Q8canuck
You are welcome! ā¦ glad to be of help.
One step at a time is the most effective way to find āthe perfect mattressā for you and has by far the highest chance of success ā¦ and of course, for any other questions you may have along the way I or any of the Expert members of the site will stand by to help.
Phoenix
I am in the market for a natural latex mattress. Because of price points, I am considering a hybrid of L&P inner springs plus latex comfort layer. I keep hearing a lot about the Avocado mattress, but wonder if other companies that partner w TMU make something similar at a comparable price. Any thoughts? I would also be interested in your experience w this type of hybrid vs 100% latex.
Hi zzipp,
Welcome to our Mattress Forum!
AG mattress has been discussed on TMU in this thread here or this topic here, just make sure to read through the later posts as their specs have changed. Some of our trusted members that carry latex hybrid and ship nationally. (There may be shipping costs associated with purchasing innerspring mattresses)
Arizona Premium Mattress
Christeli
Flexus Comfort ships from CA
Magic Sleeper
Luma Sleep
My Green Mattress
Mattress To Go carries better quality value national brands.
Nest Bedding national
Quality Sleep Shop
Texas Mattress Makers ships from TX
Urban Natural
Bedmasters ships from FL
Beloit ships from IL
Iād keep in mind that in general there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to make specific mattress recommendations for someone else based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or ātheory at a distanceā (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
I would also be interested in your experience w this type of hybrid vs 100% latex.
Both innerspring and a firmer latex core can be used as a support layer and each has very ādifferentā characteristics but the most important differences are the ones you can feel and that you personally prefer. Both can be softer or firmer depending design so a pocket coil could be firmer than a latex core or the other way around they could be zoned or not all depending on the specifics of the components you are comparing. There is more about this in post #10 here and more detailed information about innersprings vs latex support cores in post #2 here and more about the different types and blends of latex in this article and in post #6 here or post #29 here There are too many differences between them that it is really hard to answer these types of āapples to orangesā questions in any meaningful way other than through general comparisons that may not represent the differences between two specific mattresses.
While itās not possible to make specific suggestions because of all the many variables involved that are unique to each person and your own experience is the only way to know for certain whether any mattress/topper combination will be a good āmatchā for you in terms of PPP, Because of the uncertainty involved with purchasing an online mattress where you canāt test it in person ā¦ a good exchange/return policy can also reduce the risk so I would make sure you are comfortable with the options you have available after a purchase to exchange or return and any costs involved just in case your choice doesnāt turn out as well as you hoped for.
I donāt know howm much youāve read since you found us but Iād make sure to start with the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ā¦ and know how and why to avoid the worst ones where you arenāt able to find out the quality of the materials inside it.
Phoenix
Hello Phoenix,
Since my last post weāve bit the bullet and purchased a split King latex mattress with 3 layers on each side. We are using our original king base with a piece of plywood on top to support the latex mattress, and have added a quilted mattress protector to give a little more softness. Weāve been sleeping on our new mattress for a month.
My side has a Dunlop Firm, Talalay Medium and Tallalay Soft composition.
Hubbyās side has Dunlop Firm, Dunlop Medium and Tallaly Soft compostion.
He seems to be sleeping well and not interested in making any adjustments.
However, I am waking with sore shoulders and hipsā¦indicating issues with the support layers. No problems with comfort when I get into bedā¦just in the mornings.
Iād like to know what changes would be most helpful, since I can make layer changes at a reasonable cost from our seller for up to 90 days. Although our original plan was to switch our own layers around to find the best arrangementā¦with only 6 layers and 2 duplicates, we donāt have a lot of options. It seems my hubby would have to endure 2 layers of firm while I tested his medium Dunlop on my sideā¦he doesnāt think this is a good idea.
Iām mostly a side sleeper and occasionally stomachā¦in the āgenerousā size category .(>175<195).
Soā¦should I try a different bottom layer, or middle layer, and what should I try? Would a Dunlop Medium on the bottom make any difference (instead of Firm), or should I focus on the middle layer and try a Dunlop Soft instead of the current Talalay medium?
As always, I appreciate your advice and help in navigating the ins and outs of finding perfect rest.
First, thanks for everything. Iāve been doing endless research the last several weeks and I think Iāve mostly made a decision.
The Yankee Mattress / Custom Mattress Makers mattress (Cocoa) just seems like an unbeatable value from a reliable, quality, but lesser known company.
https://custommattressmakers.com/collections/mattresses/products/cocoa-latex
My concern, however, is that the comfort layer / 2" of latex just simply isnāt āenoughā.
I weigh about 225 and prefer a plush mattress. Iām a strict side sleeper. Will I sink in? Will I dig into the coils? Why does everyone else almost universally use 3" of latex and they use 2"?
I think thatās all for now. Thanks again.
Hi mattresshow.
You are one of the lucky ones that managed to make it through and postā¦ while we were dealing with the wave of spamming attacks using scripts that targeted our site in the last week or so.
So I bid you a hearty ā¦ Welcome to our Mattress Forum!
All the layers and components of a mattress work together and affect each other and they also interact differently with each sleeper (which is why finding the right fit can be quite complex) The 2" of latex over the Leggett Quantum Edge Bolsa coil system is a solid design. especially for side sleepers and could be suitable for someone looking for a softer feel as you do. The combo of 2" latex and softer 15-gauge coils will work together and will adapt making it suitable for a certain range of comfort/support needs and preferences. As you noticed many other designs use 3" comfort layer but place it on top of a firmer coil system like the combi-zone Quantum Edge.
Without knowing your height, or body shape, it is difficult to determine if the Cocoa-latex mattress design is right for you. Generally speaking, it is a fairly plush sleeping system; and depending upon your BMI and body type the only concern Iād have is that the coil unit may be allowing you to sink-in to the point where spinal alignment is not ideal this is why Iād make sure to call them and ask for their recommendation as it relates to you. Custom Mattress Makers is one of our manufacturing Trusted Members of the site which means that I think highly of them and consider them to compete well with the best in the industry in terms of knowledge, service, and value. Itās usually far more effective to let a knowledgeable manufacturer make these types of recommendations rather than try to figure them out yourself because they have the long-term experience and customer database that is connected to their specific mattresses to be able to translate some very complex and interactive āspecsā into meaningful information that most consumers can understand without being overwhelmed.
Phoenix
Hello Phoenix,
Since my last post weāve bit the bullet and purchased a split King latex mattress with 3 layers on each side. We are using our original king base with a piece of plywood on top to support the latex mattress, and have added a quilted mattress protector to give a little more softness. Weāve been sleeping on our new mattress for a month.
My side has a Dunlop Firm, Talalay Medium and Tallalay Soft composition.
Hubbyās side has Dunlop Firm, Dunlop Medium and Tallaly Soft compostion.
He seems to be sleeping well and not interested in making any adjustments.
However, I am waking with sore shoulders and hipsā¦indicating issues with the support layers. No problems with comfort when I get into bedā¦just in the mornings.
Iād like to know what changes would be most helpful, since I can make layer changes at a reasonable cost from our seller for up to 90 days. Although our original plan was to switch our own layers around to find the best arrangementā¦with only 6 layers and 2 duplicates, we donāt have a lot of options. It seems my hubby would have to endure 2 layers of firm while I tested his medium Dunlop on my sideā¦he doesnāt think this is a good idea.
Iām mostly a side sleeper and occasionally stomachā¦in the āgenerousā size category .(BMI 30).
Soā¦should I try a different bottom layer, or middle layer, and what should I try? Would a Dunlop Medium on the bottom make any difference (instead of Firm), or should I focus on the middle layer and try a Dunlop Soft instead of the current Talalay medium?
As always, I appreciate your advice and help in navigating the ins and outs of finding perfect rest.