Need advice on mattress selection

[phoenix]

Hi Bedbug5450,

You are certainly looking at some good options

I do have some concern about the softer mattress being appropriate for my husband. He is extremely flexible in what he finds acceptable, but I want to be sure any selection we make would provide adequate support for him.
Phoenix

Unfortunately there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved to be able to predict whether any specific mattress is a good match for someone else in terms of PPP based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or “theory at a distance” and the only reliable way to know for certain is his personal testing on a similar mattress or his actual sleeping experience. When you can’t test a specific mattress in person … then the “next best” way to decide on whether a mattress is likely to be a suitable choice would be based on a more detailed conversation with an online manufacturer or retailer who will know more about their mattresses and how well they are likely to “match” different body types and sleeping positions based on the “averages” of their customers than anyone else (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here). With an online purchase as well … I would make sure you are comfortable with the specifics of the exchange or return policy and the costs involved since this may also be a more important part of your personal value equation if in spite of the “best efforts” of everyone … your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for.

There are also different ways that one mattress can “match” another one and there is more information about this in post #9 here that you can use as a reference point in your discussions when you talk to each of them.

–Brooklyn Bedding Pure Cool Luxe—The foam specifications appear to be high quality, but there is virtually no information available on the web re their patented cooling technology and very few reviews of this mattress.

I would be very cautious about using reviews to assess how a mattress will feel for you because each person’s experience is unique and other people’s experience on a mattress may be very different from your own. If a mattress “feels” the same as another mattress or “feels” perfect for one person or even a group of people in terms of PPP certainly doesn’t mean that it will be the same for you (see post #13 here and the post it links to about reviews).

There is more about cooling down memory foam in post #6 here, and more about the many variables that can affect temperature regulation in general (outside of just the type of memory foam used) in post #2 here. The

Purecool memory foam incorporates thermal conductive materials, phase changing materials, and is also more breathable than many other memory foams so it would be more likely to sleep cooler than other types of memory foam that don’t have cooling technologies that affect sleeping temperature to the same degree for those that are closer to the “oven” side of the “oven to iceberg” range. There is more about the Purecoolmemoryfoamhere.Sleepingtemperatureandthehttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/5https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/6https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/7https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/8https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/925002/Peterson-PacificUrethanesTechnologyDevelopment2013.pdf]Purecool0(andrelativetotheothervariablesthathttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/5https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/6https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/7https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/8https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/9orscientificcomparisonsavailablethatcomparethehttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/5https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/6https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/7https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/8thosefewthataremorelikelytohttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/5https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/6https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/7thosefewthatmaystillsleephothttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/5https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/6technologiesthenitisreallyamatterhttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/5beconfirmedwithyourownsleepingexperiencehttps://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/0https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/1https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/2https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/3https://uploads.mattressunderground.com/outside/4policywouldbecomemoreimportant).

–Selectfoam Cirrus Luxe—The specifications on this mattress appear to mimic the TempurPedic Cloud Luxe, so that is encouraging. I am, however, a little concerned about the soy gel foam, since the longevity has not yet been proven, and we have potential concerns about the warmth factor. It appears they have also had a spotty customer relations history, although I understand this has improved over the past few years.

You can read more about so called “soy foams” or polyfoam or memory foam that uses plant based polyols as part of their formulation in post #2 here but they would be closely comparable in terms of durability to “regular” polyfoam or memory foam of the same density that doesn’t replace a relatively small percentage of the petrochemical polyols with a plant based alternative. As you mentioned … they use memory foams that are closely comparable to Tempurpedic in terms of their density.

There are some comments about Select Foam’s customer service that may affect the relatively small percentage of people who have some issues that need to be resolved after a purchase in post #4 here.

–SelectABed Tri-Pedic Diamond—The specifications on the foam appear to be high quality, although I have not been able to find the density and ILD factors of the 6" foam core. This is also the shortest core of the models I have been considering. I know this is not necessarily a problem depending on the specifications on the core, so hopefully this will not be an issue. I have e-mailed the company for additional information. I was encouraged by your support of their cooling technology, which does seem to make sense. I also like the fact that the mattress is only 11 inches high, assuming the 6" core is not a problem. The shorter height would work better on our bedframe, which is the type that has the attached nightstands and headboard with hinges for storage. It was purchased many years ago when the average heights of mattresses was not so high.

–TempFlow Celestia or Eros—I am currently awaiting pricing information on these mattresses as well as specifications on the 6" foam core and a better description of differences in these two models. I would also like to understand better the differences in this mattress line and the SelectABed. These appear to be sister companies, and other that the use of Biogreen foam in the TempFlow, the specifications seem somewhat similar. Do you have any information about differences that would be important in making a decision?

I don’t remember the density of the polyfoam they use in their mattresses except to say that it is in the higher quality/density range but they are very transparent and will provide them to you when you talk with them. There is more about the different lines of mattresses they make in post #9 here but the Tempflow line uses a more costly and lower VOC memory foam that uses MDI while the Tri-Pedic line uses more traditional TDI memory foam. There is more about MDI vs TDI in post #2 here and more about their Biogreen memory foam on their page here.

The Tripedic line uses “regular” 4 and 5 lb memory foams and the Diamond uses the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe as a comparable reference point. The Tempflow line uses their Biogreen MDI memory foam and they use 5 lb memory foam that is made in a softer formulation instead of using 4 lb memory foam in their softer mattresses. The Celestia also uses the softer Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe as a comparable reference point and is softer than the Eros which uses an inch less of the softer 5 lb memory foam and uses the Tempurpedic Allura/Grandbed as a comparable reference point for firmness.

I know this is a long message, but I wanted to be sure I provided the relevant facts for you to render an opinion. Your feedback (and that of other forum members) on these mattresses would be most welcome, and if there are others you think we should consider given our background information, we would very much appreciate hearing about them. Again, thank you so much for the considerable time and effort that you obviously devote to maintaining this wonderful forum.

The list of the better online memory foam options I’m aware of that may also be worth considering is linked in the tutorial post (in the optional online step). In addition to the ones you mentioned … off the top of my head I know that both Dreamfoam (which is a sister company to Brooklyn Bedding) and Christeli also make mattresses that use the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe as a comparable reference point and some of the others that don’t use other mattresses as a reference point may also be able to tell you which of their mattresses are closest to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe when you talk with them on the phone.

Phoenix