Need Help! Good deal on pure latex bliss - Nature - or maybe not?

Jeffblue,
We paid $2100. for a PLB queen Nature mattress from an online retailer last year, free delivery, no sales tax; but no comfort exchange. We did try it out locally before deciding on this model. Since then PLB has raised their prices. So $2000. for the mattress is a good price. Depending on how far they have to deliver, the $90. delivery fee seems a bit high. As Phoenix has already stated, DO NOT get the matching PLB foundation. We did and regret it. IMO, it does not give this mattress adequate support.

Good luck with whatever mattress you decide to purchase.

BobP

Thanks BobP. Which retailer did you purchase your PLB from? Also, how have you been liking it? Are you completely satisfied or do you wish you had gone another route and if so which? Yes the 90 dollar delivery does seem high imo.

We purchased our PLB mattress from The Mattress Expert but his prices have increased substantially.

Last year Comfort Gallery Mattress price for a PLB queen nature was $2100., now itā€™s $2670.

Give Mattress to Go a call or email them for a quote. They ship nationally and are also a MU member so ask about the 5% forum member discount.

I agree with Matress to Goā€™s plushness ratings, 1-10 (hard to soft). They rate the Nature a 7. My wife and I tried out PLBā€™s Pamper, Nature, Nutrition, and Beautiful models. We both agreed that the Nutrition and Beautiful were too soft, the Pamper too firm, and decided on the Nature because it is a medium firm and the price. After we tried it out at home for a few days I thought it was perfect but my wife, who has an artificial hip, found it a tad too firm. We are both side sleepers.

For $2100. delivered we would purchase the PLB Nature queen mattress again, but as previously stated not the PLB foundation.

Update: I spoke with Shawn at sleep EZ and he was very helpful and informative and i am strongly leaning towards purchasing one of sleep EZ 10000 natural mattresses in a queen with talalay blended layers in a Soft-Soft/Medium-Medium/Firm-Firm configuration. (split layers so if i want to change my side around to be slightly firmer arrangement i can maintain the softness on my girlfriendā€™s side)i mentioned that i usually fall asleep on my side and wake up on my stomach and he told me that was likely due to becoming uncomfortable on my side due to pressure points and rolling onto my stomach to relieve them, which makes sense, but i never had thought about it that way. I feel more comfortable with their return policy and the ability to switch the layers around and exchange them if necessary as opposed to just being stuck with a mattress. Additionally after thinking about what Shawn said i gave more consideration to the fact that i may not actually be a stomach sleeper, and i did not really spend THAT much time on the nature while on my side. From what i read here on the forum it is difficult to truly experience how a mattress feels while laying on it in the store as opposed to sleeping on it in your own home.

Today i went to the store to cancel the mattress. The salesman asked me if i had received the ā€˜rebateā€™ in my email. I had not. He told me that they just received word this morning at 9am from PLB that are offering a 300 dollar rebate on the mattress so basically 1700 + tax/delivery. Iā€™m assuming there wasnā€™t really a rebate and they were just trying to cut me a better deal on the mattress in order to not lose the sale, but nonetheless this seems like a very good deal for the PLB nature. However, considering that with Sleep EZā€™s labor day sale and forum discount the Sleep EZ 10000 nature in a queen with the 8.5 base and free pillows comes out to ~1840 Shipped. So yes the PLB Nature is a good deal for THAT mattress but still in terms of actual value the mattress at 1700+175 tax + 90 dollar delivery comes out to 1936 for JUST a mattress. and yes it is the active fusion model.

When i was conversing with the salesmen he was trying to dissuade me from cancelling. I mentioned the chapter 11, he said that they were merely restructuring and they had basically finished the restructuring and the company would be better than ever. He asked what i was intending to purchase instead of the PLB and i told him about sleep EZ and the price. He said it must be dunlop. I told him it was talalay. He said it must not be natural then. (arenā€™t the both the PLB Nature and the Sleep EZ Natural both use talalay blends which are also called ā€˜naturalā€™ talalay instead of 100% natural talalay?) I did end up cancelling the order, but considering how desperate they were to get me not to, iā€™m pretty sure i would have no issues getting this deal if i changed my mind. Iā€™m not a good negotiator, but i guess being willing to walk gives you the high ground in negotiating, not that this was my intention.

so basically iā€™m now weighing the following and favoring the first more than the second.

  1. Purchase the aforementioned SLEEP EZ 10" NATURAL LATEX MATTRESS in a Queen S-S/M-M/F-F for $1,838 delivered WITH a foundation and pillows. This gives me the ability to fine tune the bed to my liking, easily exchange layers, and the opportunity for a full refund less 90 dollars if for some reason i am completely dissatisfied. this would be a mattress iā€™ve never laid on obviously but i presume i would find comfortable based on what i laid on at the store and what i liked in the PLB lineup. Mattress would ship out in 48 hours
  2. Go back to the store and take them at the $1700 price for the PLB Nature which is supposedly a very good deal. This would be a mattress i have laid on and do like, but possibly did not dedicate enough time to laying on my side in the store. Mattress would arrive in 2-3 weeks (or maybe not at all with all the fires and bankruptcy?)

We purchased our PLB mattress from The Mattress Expert but his prices have increased substantially.

Last year Comfort Gallery Mattress price for a PLB queen nature was $2100., now itā€™s $2670.

Give Mattress to Go a call or email them for a quote. They ship nationally and are also a MU member so ask about the 5% forum member discount.

I agree with Matress to Goā€™s plushness ratings, 1-10 (hard to soft). They rate the Nature a 7. My wife and I tried out PLBā€™s Pamper, Nature, Nutrition, and Beautiful models. We both agreed that the Nutrition and Beautiful were too soft, the Pamper too firm, and decided on the Nature because it is a medium firm and the price. After we tried it out at home for a few days I thought it was perfect but my wife, who has an artificial hip, found it a tad too firm. We are both side sleepers.

For $2100. delivered we would purchase the PLB Nature queen mattress again, but as previously stated not the PLB foundation.[/quote]

Thanks bobp I guess the deal they are presenting me with is legitimately a pretty good deal on the mattress

Hi Jeffblue,

Yes ā€¦ they are both blended Talalay latex :slight_smile:

Without realizing it you came across the most effective negotiating method which is finding a mattress that uses the same materials at a lower cost and being willing to walk away from a position of ā€œstrengthā€ (see post #6 here about negotiating).

I think you have a good handle on the pros and cons of each so that you are in a good position to make a final choice (see post #2 here) between ā€œgood and goodā€ based on all the objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Neither one would be a ā€œmistakeā€ IMO and either way you would be making a better choice than more than 90% of consumers that end up making a ā€œblindā€ purchase of a mainstream mattress.

Phoenix

JeffBlue, I am basically in the same exact situation as you without the good price offer! I was quoted at $2999 for the Nature, but in King Size. Delivery was quoted at $99 - so approx $3100 total for just the mattress. I think I might have seen you in the parking lot leaving!

Almost pulled the trigger on Sleep EZ tonight, but just wanted to check with my wife about layers. So difficult without laying on, but using the Bliss Nature as an example and knowing that an exchange is $30, figuring I will go with the Sleep EZ mattress. How do members get the 5% discount from Sleep EZ? What are you going to do?

So glad to find this incredibly helpful information from Phoenix on this amazing site!

Hi Brown Dog,

Just let them know you are a member of the forum and as long as there isnā€™t a special sale that is more than the MUG discount then they will send you a cheque for the discount.

Phoenix

Well his efforts might have been more successful if not for the valuable information you have provided on this forum. He actually used the ā€˜youā€™re saving 50% off the 3600 regular priceā€™ on me, but I knew better thanks to your posts about mattress industry pricing and fake sales.

Anyway as an update I placed an order with sleep ez today for a natural 10000 s/m/f split layer setup and I feel very good about my purchase. Came to 1840 after the forum discount (which comes in the form of a check and is not deducted from your total which is finewith me, more rewards points lol) for the mattress and foundation in queen with the free pillows. I am very excited to get the bed. Iā€™ve started to realize that the reason that Iā€™ve been having so much trouble getting out of bed in the morning is because Iā€™m constantly waking up to change positions on my current sterns and foster inner spring

I am about to order this bed from west elm: west elm modern bed It has a lot of room for storage underneath which is helpful since my bedroom is relatively small. I stil need to pick out a mattress pad as well

I really appreciate all the help you and the other members have provided as it basically saved me from making an ill informed purchase.

[quote=ā€œBrown Dogā€ post=41722]JeffBlue, I am basically in the same exact situation as you without the good price offer! I was quoted at $2999 for the Nature, but in King Size. Delivery was quoted at $99 - so approx $3100 total for just the mattress. I think I might have seen you in the parking lot leaving!

Almost pulled the trigger on Sleep EZ tonight, but just wanted to check with my wife about layers. So difficult without laying on, but using the Bliss Nature as an example and knowing that an exchange is $30, figuring I will go with the Sleep EZ mattress. How do members get the 5% discount from Sleep EZ? What are you going to do?

So glad to find this incredibly helpful information from Phoenix on this amazing site!
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Lol Were you at sleepwrks ny in Massapequa? I would definitely go with the sleep ez if I were you (as mentioned above I just pulled the trigger on a sleep ez as well) Itā€™s such a great value and the customer service so far is outstanding. Give Shawn a call if you have any questions. The PLB is very nice but itā€™s not flexible, the return policy (at this store at least) is not satisfactory, and the the price/value just isnā€™t even close to the sleep ez.

Hi Jeffblue,

Congratulations on your new mattress :slight_smile:

As you know I think you made a great choice and there is great flexibility built in to the layering combinations and/or exchange option as well if you need to do any fine tuning.

I hope you have the chance to share your feedback when you receive it.

Post #89 here has information about the pros and cons of the different types of mattress protectors that may be helpful.

Phoenix

So funny - small world! Yes same location on Sunday. Wasnā€™t going to mention retailer, but oh well- they should realize we are in a different era of communication and business. I spoke to Jody at Sleep EZ and she was courteous and helpful, but everyone on this forum seems to mention Shawn as the expert. Planning on ordering today - almost same as you, but trying to decide on soft vs. medium for the top layer. My wife wants a firmer mattress than our horrible Mirralux, so it would be great to get it right the first time. Sleep EZ recommended your configuration for our weight/height and being primarily side sleepers, but Iā€™m unsure about how soft is SOFT? If we order S-M-F I guess we can swap the medium and soft layers for a little more give (Input? Phoenix?) and keep the Firm at the bottom. My wife seems to think Med-Med_Firm for her, but ā€¦IDK. Also, did you get Labor Day price + MU 5% discount check?
Iā€™ll check back before I call later!
Arizona isnā€™t open yet for business! Ha Ha. I still canā€™t believe out of the whole internet I ended up leading a parallel existence with a MU Blogging stranger! Any feedback appreciated and good luck with the purchase!

Hi Brown Dog,

This is very subjective and also depends on body type, sleeping style, and individual sensitivities so each person can have a very different idea of what ā€œsoftā€ feels like to them. There are also different ā€œtypesā€ of softness and firmness that different people are more or less sensitive to (see post #15 here). There are also no consistent firmness ratings in the industry between different manufacturers so in the end soft is whatever feels soft for any particular person regardless of how it feels for anyone else :slight_smile:

When you canā€™t test a mattress in person then the best approach for your initial configuration or ā€œstarting pointā€ is a more detailed conversation with SleepEZ who can help ā€œtalk you throughā€ your options and will know more about ā€œmatchingā€ the options they have to different people based on ā€œaveragesā€ than anyone else (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).

Phoenix

Thanks! iā€™m about to delve into that page and see what is the best for my needs. I will definitely be posting my review/experience along the way.

[quote=ā€œBrown Dogā€ post=41745]So funny - small world! Yes same location on Sunday. Wasnā€™t going to mention retailer, but oh well- they should realize we are in a different era of communication and business. I spoke to Jody at Sleep EZ and she was courteous and helpful, but everyone on this forum seems to mention Shawn as the expert. Planning on ordering today - almost same as you, but trying to decide on soft vs. medium for the top layer. My wife wants a firmer mattress than our horrible Mirralux, so it would be great to get it right the first time. Sleep EZ recommended your configuration for our weight/height and being primarily side sleepers, but Iā€™m unsure about how soft is SOFT? If we order S-M-F I guess we can swap the medium and soft layers for a little more give (Input? Phoenix?) and keep the Firm at the bottom. My wife seems to think Med-Med_Firm for her, but ā€¦IDK. Also, did you get Labor Day price + MU 5% discount check?
Iā€™ll check back before I call later!
Arizona isnā€™t open yet for business! Ha Ha. I still canā€™t believe out of the whole internet I ended up leading a parallel existence with a MU Blogging stranger! Any feedback appreciated and good luck with the purchase!
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haha wow small world. I actually first tried to call and cancel my order that morning. Interesting how they were trying to cut me a deal just to not lose the sale while still being happy to charge you top dollar for the same mattress. the sales staff there was very polite and courteous, and i would have been happy to purchase a bed there if the price/value was right. Ultimately though, no refund policy is a deal breaker for me. Then realizing the flexibility i could have with the sleep EZ, it was a done deal, especially considering that the bed is much less expensive with sleep ez for the same type of materials as a PLB. Same materials, better return policy/exchange policy, flexibility, better price = done deal for me. at the end of the day if i can pay ~$1500 for 10" of blended talalay latex, why should i pay $3,000?

I do like a firm bed as well and iā€™m slightly concerned about the firmness but now that i have more of an understanding about how the layering works, i think that if for some reason i am not satisfied with the S/M/F i would likely be content with either the M/S/F or the S/F/M layout. However, Shawn insists that due to my relatively light bodyweight 5ā€™4" 160lb the Soft top layer with the medium support below it should still be supportive enough even for stomach sleeping. However, iā€™ve started to realize i really do prefer sleeping on my side, its just that i canā€™t comfortably/consistently do so on my current bed. My girlfriend will definitely like the S/M/F so iā€™m glad iā€™m getting the split since i will probably play around with my setup and still keep her setup the same.

Yes i got the 5% labor day discount included in the price which is automatically deducted on the site before you even pay. The additional 5/% MU discount is sent via check.

Let us know what you end up doing. Also, regarding your choice between MMF and SMF, keep in mind if you do get all split layers (as you probably realized you should by now) if you really want to experiment, you could take your wifeā€™s medium layer (although she might not be happy about that) and see how it feels to have two mediums over a firm before even needing to have a swap sent to you.

HELLO, TWO YEARS AGO I PURCHASED A DREAMFOAM ULTIMATE DREAMS, LEVEL 6, MATTRESS THROUGH AMAZON. AS MUCH AS I WANTED TO, I HONESTLY NEVER LOVED IT, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. I FOUND IT TO SLEEP ā€œHOT.ā€ WHEN I SLEEP ON MY SIDE, IT CAUSES HIP PAIN. WHEN I SPEEP ON MY BACK, I OFTEN WAKE UP WITH A MILD BACK ACHE. I AM ALSO GOING THRU MENOPAUSE (HOT FLASHES AND NIGHT SWEATS) AND HAVENā€™T HAD A REALLY GOOD SLEEP IN A LONG TIME. I BOUGHT AN OUTLAST TOPPER WHICH HELPED SOMEWHAT BUT AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF IT BECAME LESS AND LESS EFFECTIVE. SO, NOW I AM LOOKING FOR A NEW LATEX BED. THE 2 BEDS I AM CONSIDERING ARE THE PURE LATEX BLISS NATURE MODEL AND THE SAMā€™S CLUB ORGANIC AMERICAN SLEEP MATTRESS. THE REASON I AM DRAWN TO THE SAMā€™S CLUB BED IS BECAUSE OF THE RETURN POLICY, AND THAT ITā€™S DUNLOP LATEX. (MY CHILDHOOD BED WAS A WONDERFUL DUNLOP LATEX FOAM BED.) ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE IS A LOCAL STORE THAT IS SELLING THE NATURE MODEL OF PLB AT A VERY GOOD PRICE AND I HAVE LAID ON IT AND FOUND IT COMFORTABLE. HOWEVER, HOW MUCH CAN ONE REALLY TELL IN 15 OR 20 MINUTES IN A STORE ENVIRONMENT? THIS STORE ALSO HAD 2 OTHER PLB MODELS, BOTH OF WHICH I FOUND TOO SOFT. I AM A LITTLE SCARED TO BUY THE PURE LATEX BLISS BED BECAUSE IF I DONā€™T LIKE IT, THE EXCHANGE FEE IS $150 AND I WOULD BE STUCK HAVING TO BUY A COIL MATTRESS. I HAVE ALSO CONSIDERED BUYING A SOFT SIDED WATERBED. I AM 55 YEARS OLD, BUILT PROPORTIONATELY, AND WEIGH APPROX 135. PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINION. I AM LONGING FOR A GREAT NIGHTā€™S SLEEP.

Hi rcseisland,

Just as a general comment ā€¦ when you are posting on a forum then using all capitals is considered to be the equivalent of ā€œshoutingā€ when you are using your voice and itā€™s easier to read if you donā€™t use all capitals.

Iā€™m sorry to hear that your mattress didnā€™t turn out to be the best match for you and that you are sleeping too hot but there may be several things you can do to resolve your issues without having to purchase a whole new mattress.

I would also make sure that youā€™ve read the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible choice.

The first issue you are having is sleeping temperature and there is some information in post #2 here and the post it links to that may help you track down the most likely reasons why or if there is anything you can do that may be helpful. In many cases ā€¦ changing your mattress protector or the type of sheets you use can make a significant difference in sleeping temperature.

The question of the firmness of your mattress is a little more difficult because the best option would depend on whether your mattress is too soft or too firm for you. Based on your comments I would guess that it may be too firm and some of the suggestions in post #2 here may be helpful but only you can really know this based on your sleeping experience.

The specs of the Nature are listed here and as you can see the top two layers are 2" of 21 ILD Talalay and then 2" of 28 ILD Talalay which are a little softer than the 3" of 28 ILD Talalay that is in your mattress (along with the softer polyfoam quilting layer). If the Nature is a good match for you in terms of PPP then it may be worth considering a latex topper that can add some additional softness and pressure relief to your mattress. Post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to has more about choosing a topper that may be helpful.

If your mattress is too soft then a topper wouldnā€™t be nearly as helpful because adding a topper isnā€™t a particularly effective way to firm up a mattress that is too soft (see post #4 here).

If you spend 15 or 20 minutes carefully testing a mattress in a store using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post then the odds are high that most people would make a choice that was in the range that was suitable for them and was ā€œclose enoughā€ to their ideal that only minor fine tuning would be necessary (see post #4 here).

Having said that ā€¦ if you are not confident that your testing will be ā€œclose enoughā€ to your actual sleeping experience then the return or exchange policies that are available to you after a purchase would also become a much more important part of the ā€œvalueā€ of a mattress purchase and your own personal value equation and of course I would trust your ā€œbest judgementā€ about the importance of a return and/or exchange policy.

Both of these use high quality materials and neither one has any weak links in their design in terms of durability but once again ā€¦ your own testing or experience will be the most reliable way to know whether either one is a good match for you in terms of PPP and if you arenā€™t confident about this then I would pay significant attention to the options you have available after a purchase. There is also more about the differences between the ā€œfeelā€ of Talalay and Dunlop in post #7 here but this would be a preference choice much more than a ā€œbetter/worseā€ choice. There is also more about the most important parts of the ā€œvalueā€ of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can also help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

There is more about buying a mattress from big box stores like Costco or Sams Club in post #4 here. While they generally arenā€™t the best quality/value choices for most people and they are not particularly good at providing good guidance about their mattresses ā€¦ they do have a good return policy so if you roll the dice with one of their mattresses and it doesnā€™t work out for you then at least you have the benefit of being able to return it and starting all over again. There is also more about the American Dream Organic (which is the Innomax White Night) in post #2 here and post #4 here and it would be one of the better quality/value options at Sams Club.

Having said that ā€¦ the tutorial post also includes a link to a list of the members here that make or sell latex mattresses that include different types of latex (including Dunlop), and have a wide range of different designs, features, options, and price ranges. Many of these are component mattresses that allow you to rearrange or exchange layers to change the comfort/pressure relief or support/alignment of the mattress after a purchase without having to return it and some of them also have a great return policy as well if the ā€œworst caseā€ happens and none of the options that are available turn out to be suitable for you. For most people these would be in a better value range than an ā€œall or nothingā€ choice such as the American Dream latex mattress but of course once you are down to finalists that are all between ā€œgood and goodā€ and there are no clear winners between them then the final choice that is best for you will depend on ā€œbest judgementā€ and on all the objective, subjective, and intangible criteria that are most important to you.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix, Sorry bout that; I didnā€™t mean to shout :wink: . Thank you for your detailed reply. I have read, printed and reread your email and all the links. So, yesterday, I spent over 2 hours at the mattress store. I brought 2 pillows and a blanket and spent quite a while on the PLB Nature. I also spent about 30 minutes on a very soft PLB model called Worldā€™s Best Bed, which felt good on my side but bad on my back. I tried a few Serta iComfortā€™s (with very cooling memory foam) as well. Iā€™m still not 100% confident that the Nature is going to work and I will go back in the next few days and spend some more time before a final decision is made. I did find the Nature more comfortable using a $100 PLB latex pillow than my own latex pillow. I think it was a little softer and higher. Part of the problem is that my shoulder and hip was a little sore to begin with. The salesman was very nice and said that I was in alignment but Iā€™m not sure. I also have a Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams twin (level eight) in my guest room and I slept on it last night. It is better than the 6 but still not perfect, and very hot.

I checked out the website ā€œSleep Like a Bearā€ as a previous poster said that the 1" talalay gl with celcion did the trick keeping her cool, so I am considering that. Question: If I put that on my Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams level 6, do you think it would relief my hip pain and make my current bed more a fit? I donā€™t know what their return/exchange policy is. Or, if I get the Nature or the Samā€™s Club version of White Night and they are too hard/hot, would the one inch celcion topper be enough or would 2" be better? Another question (if you know): do you feel that the White Night would be firmer than the Nature based on the specs, or less firm. I can tell you that the Ultimate Dreams 6 that I have is definitely firmer than the Pure Latex Bliss Nature (unless, I was mistakenly sent something firmer than the 6.) By the way, the PLB Nature has a great price of $1800, King, including box spring with innards by Leggart and Platt. (My current bed is Queen.)

Any opinions/feedback is MUCH appreciated as I am truly sleep deprived and not thinking clearly! :slight_smile:

Hi rceisland,

I actually meant to write ā€œsofterā€ rather than ā€œfirmerā€ (21 ILD is softer than 28 ILD) so your experience makes sense to me and Iā€™ve edited my reply so that is doesnā€™t confuse someone else that reads it (although softness and firmness can be very subjective and a mattress that ā€œshouldā€ feel softer ā€œin theoryā€ doesnā€™t always feel that way for some people).

I would be very careful with this because itā€™s a very soft mattress and while it may feel good in a showroom ā€¦ for side sleeping especially ā€¦ it would be much more risky in terms of alignment and itā€™s not really possible to ā€œfixā€ a mattress that is too soft without removing and replacing the comfort layers.

I would also be a little cautious with ā€œtrustingā€ this because while gel memory foams can feel cooler initially ā€¦ they donā€™t always stay that way once temperatures equalize over the course of the night (see post #2 here).

Itā€™s not unusual at all that shoulder pressure issues or other upper body issues can be helped with a more suitable pillow and your hip pressure issues could also be helped with a softer/thicker comfort layer.

As you probably read in the previous post I linked ā€¦ softer mattresses will tend to sleep warmer than a mattress that uses the same materials in a firmer version because you will sink into the foam more deeply so the foam will be more insulating.

Talalay GL has a phase change gel in the latex which can make a slight difference in sleeping temperature but not a lot (see post #2 here). The only way to know whether a slight difference would be ā€œenoughā€ would be based on your actual sleeping experience. It would typically make less difference than your mattress protector and your sheets but the Talalay GL would also be closer to your body which can make more difference than if it was under a layer of quilting foam.

It would depend on the firmness of the Talalay GL but if it was softer (either 15 or 21 ILD) then it would make some difference in softness. While itā€™s not possible to know or quantify how much difference it would make for any individual person or whether the difference would be ā€œenoughā€ for you or not (only you can feel what you feel on a mattress) ā€¦ in the topper guidelines I linked earlier (in post #8 here) I describe the effect of a 1" topper as being a ā€œtouch to a little bit of differenceā€ but itā€™s not really possible to accurately describe a subjective experience which can be different for different people. Describing softness is like describing taste ā€¦ you can talk about it in general terms but only personal experience can really tell you what itā€™s like in ā€œreal lifeā€.

Again ā€¦ I would use your actual sleeping experience along with the topper guidelines I linked to decide on the thickness/softness of a topper that would have the best chance of success. ā€œTheoryā€ based on specs alone (either yours or a mattress or topper) isnā€™t the most effective way to choose a topper.

Different people would probably describe the comparison differently (depending on their body type, sleeping positions, and individual sensitivity) and I donā€™t have any personal experience on the White Night and havenā€™t tested them side by side (which is the most reliable way to know how they would compare for a particular person) but if I had to guess I would say the White Night would feel firmer for most people.

I would avoid an actual box spring with a latex mattress (if you mean a box spring that has springs inside that flex) and they will generally do better with a rigid non flexing support surface with an evenly supportive surface such as a foundation or platform bed with narrow gaps so the latex doesnā€™t sink into the gaps over time. You can read more about the type of support systems that are generally best for different types of mattresses in the foundation post here. I would avoid the PLB foundations that come with their mattresses because they are not good quality or well designed.

Phoenix

Dear Phoenix,

Iā€™ve decided to jump on the latex mattress bandwagon B) Yesterday I went to Savvy Mattress in Lynnwood, WA. They had a mattress marketed as latex, organic. Price with tax and delivery is $985. Guess the price makes me a little skeptical. Also, Iā€™ve tried to do some research on the mattress and canā€™t seem to find anything that I can be sure is about this mattress which adds to my skepticism. I did notice itā€™s a 2012 model. It appears the company is Restwell. The name of the mattress (at this store) is Green Natural, and there was a web site listed on the sales material: www.novosleep.com. I have to be honest and say that I didnā€™t ask too many of the pertinent questions because I was planning to go home and research it and wasnā€™t planning to go latex until yesterday so wasnā€™t educated enough to ask the right questions. If I go back Iā€™m noq armed with a lot more questions but was also wondering if you can shed any light on this mattress. Alternatively, I am also considering the LatexBliss, probably the Nature. The Pamper seemed a bit too firm. I tested and will likely buy (if I purchase the PLB) from 6 Day Mattress in Redmond.

I am a pure back sleeper, 124 lbs. Thanks for your help!

Carol