Need Help! Good deal on pure latex bliss - Nature - or maybe not?

[phoenix]

Hi rceisland,

I can tell you that the Ultimate Dreams 6 that I have is definitely firmer than the Pure Latex Bliss Nature (unless, I was mistakenly sent something firmer than the 6.)

I actually meant to write “softer” rather than “firmer” (21 ILD is softer than 28 ILD) so your experience makes sense to me and I’ve edited my reply so that is doesn’t confuse someone else that reads it (although softness and firmness can be very subjective and a mattress that “should” feel softer “in theory” doesn’t always feel that way for some people).

I also spent about 30 minutes on a very soft PLB model called World’s Best Bed, which felt good on my side but bad on my back.

I would be very careful with this because it’s a very soft mattress and while it may feel good in a showroom … for side sleeping especially … it would be much more risky in terms of alignment and it’s not really possible to “fix” a mattress that is too soft without removing and replacing the comfort layers.

I tried a few Serta iComfort’s (with very cooling memory foam) as well.

I would also be a little cautious with “trusting” this because while gel memory foams can feel cooler initially … they don’t always stay that way once temperatures equalize over the course of the night (see post #2 here).

I did find the Nature more comfortable using a $100 PLB latex pillow than my own latex pillow. I think it was a little softer and higher. Part of the problem is that my shoulder and hip was a little sore to begin with.

It’s not unusual at all that shoulder pressure issues or other upper body issues can be helped with a more suitable pillow and your hip pressure issues could also be helped with a softer/thicker comfort layer.

I also have a Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams twin (level eight) in my guest room and I slept on it last night. It is better than the 6 but still not perfect, and very hot.

As you probably read in the previous post I linked … softer mattresses will tend to sleep warmer than a mattress that uses the same materials in a firmer version because you will sink into the foam more deeply so the foam will be more insulating.

I checked out the website “Sleep Like a Bear” as a previous poster said that the 1" talalay gl with celcion did the trick keeping her cool, so I am considering that.

Talalay GL has a phase change gel in the latex which can make a slight difference in sleeping temperature but not a lot (see post #2 here). The only way to know whether a slight difference would be “enough” would be based on your actual sleeping experience. It would typically make less difference than your mattress protector and your sheets but the Talalay GL would also be closer to your body which can make more difference than if it was under a layer of quilting foam.

Question: If I put that on my Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams level 6, do you think it would relief my hip pain and make my current bed more a fit?

It would depend on the firmness of the Talalay GL but if it was softer (either 15 or 21 ILD) then it would make some difference in softness. While it’s not possible to know or quantify how much difference it would make for any individual person or whether the difference would be “enough” for you or not (only you can feel what you feel on a mattress) … in the topper guidelines I linked earlier (in post #8 here) I describe the effect of a 1" topper as being a “touch to a little bit of difference” but it’s not really possible to accurately describe a subjective experience which can be different for different people. Describing softness is like describing taste … you can talk about it in general terms but only personal experience can really tell you what it’s like in “real life”.

Or, if I get the Nature or the Sam’s Club version of White Night and they are too hard/hot, would the one inch celcion topper be enough or would 2" be better?

Again … I would use your actual sleeping experience along with the topper guidelines I linked to decide on the thickness/softness of a topper that would have the best chance of success. “Theory” based on specs alone (either yours or a mattress or topper) isn’t the most effective way to choose a topper.

Another question (if you know): do you feel that the White Night would be firmer than the Nature based on the specs, or less firm.

Different people would probably describe the comparison differently (depending on their body type, sleeping positions, and individual sensitivity) and I don’t have any personal experience on the White Night and haven’t tested them side by side (which is the most reliable way to know how they would compare for a particular person) but if I had to guess I would say the White Night would feel firmer for most people.

By the way, the PLB Nature has a great price of $1800, King, including box spring with innards by Leggart and Platt.

I would avoid an actual box spring with a latex mattress (if you mean a box spring that has springs inside that flex) and they will generally do better with a rigid non flexing support surface with an evenly supportive surface such as a foundation or platform bed with narrow gaps so the latex doesn’t sink into the gaps over time. You can read more about the type of support systems that are generally best for different types of mattresses in the foundation post here. I would avoid the PLB foundations that come with their mattresses because they are not good quality or well designed.

Phoenix