We’ve been shopping for a new mattress for several months and were stunned at how many sales men will lie to you just to make a sale.
We’ve been all over San Diego county and as far north as Carlsbad and Encinitas, and finally found someone (Sleep Xperts in San Marcos) who explained everything honestly to us including that there is NO SUCH THING as an “Organic mattress” like many firms like to claim. Any bed that has latex (even natural, dunlap, or Talalay) is simply NOT organic.
Sales people will also tell you that their bed is the “best for your back” because it keeps your spine straight…well any (new) bed that doesn’t sag in the middle will do that.
Sales people will also say that their beds will last 15-20 years but often the warranty is only 10 years.
We feel badly for people who spend thousands of dollars thinking they are getting an “organic” mattress, or a ‘special’ mattress that is going to fix their back problems, when it was just a sales pitch.
For anyone looking in the San Diego area, we can’t recommend Sleep Xperts in San Marcos enough.
We were also really impressed with Cantoni in Irvine’s new ‘sleep center’. Excellent selection of chemical free mattresses with no flame retardant, and the prices were fair.
You are still getting some partly true and partly untrue or misleading information.
This isn’t correct and there is certainly such a thing as certified organic latex and also organic latex mattresses. There is more about organic mattresses and materials in post #2 here and the posts it links to.
This is partly correct and partly incorrect. Keeping your spine and joints in neutral alignment is an important part of a mattress that is a suitable “match” for someone but is also about much more than just having a new mattress that doesn’t sag in the middle. Different body types and sleeping positions and different types of people may need or prefer very different mattresses (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here). There is also no such thing as a specific type of mattress that is “good for backs” in general although there are certainly mattresses that can help individual people. A mattress that is the best “match” for one person in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) which means it would provide the best possible alignment for their back in all their sleeping positions may be very different from the mattress that is best for someone else’s back.
Mattress warranties only cover defects in materials and have little to nothing to do with the useful life or a mattress. There are also mattresses that have a 25 year warranty that may only have a useful life of months or a couple of years for some people (see post #174 here). There is also much more information about the many variables that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress relative to each person in post #4 here and the posts it links to as well.
If a back problem is the result of a medical condition then it’s certainly true that a mattress won’t solve it but a suitable mattress can certainly make a big difference compared to sleeping on a mattress that isn’t a good “match” for any particular person. Good salespeople will know how to help their customers choose the most suitable mattress based on careful and objective testing and/or accurate and meaningful information rather than “theory” or “hype” or “marketing stories”.
You can see some comments about Cantoni in this topic and the better options and possibilities I’m aware of in the San Diego area are listed in post #2 here.
i’m confused why you say there IS such a thing as “certified latex”, when in the post you refer readers to (which i have copied below), you write that there is "No Talalay Latex in the world has organic certification;
You’re correct that there is no Talalay latex in the world that has an organic certification. In most cases this is marketing information and usually means that the cover is organic instead of the whole mattress or the latex layers themselves. A more accurate description would be “100% natural Talalay latex mattress with an organic cover” but the word “organic” is so commonly misused in the entire industry that some retailers or manufacturers believe they need to use “organic” for competitive reasons instead of it’s more technically correct meaning … and with the current state of the market and consumer misunderstanding of what organic really means when it comes to mattresses … to some degree they may have legitimate concerns.
Are you saying that there is organic latex, but the latex from Latex International is just not organic?
If so, and there is such a thing as organic latex, can you tell me which bed manufactures DO make a totally organic bed with the organic latex?? It was always my understanding that in order to get the rubber from the tree, into a slab of latex suitable for putting in a mattress, gel agents, and other chemicals needed to be added.
Thanks so much… This will surely clear up this topic once and for all.
Any by the way, I totally agree with everything you say in the above paragraph where it would be more accurate for sales people to say, “Just the mattress cover is organic”, but so many sales people will say anything for a sale.
The only GOLS certified organic latex cores that are available in the world are Dunlop and there is no certified organic Talalay … only 100% natural Talalay (which means that there is no synthetic rubber in the latex because there are also other ingredients in the compounding formula for any latex besides the latex itself. There is more about the different levels of organic certifications (the agricultural material, the latex core, and a mattress itself) in post #2 here and the posts it links to. Latex International only makes Talalay latex and none of the raw materials they use or the latex latex cores they manufacture are certified organic.