Other than Ikea Holmsta what coil bed under $700/800 to topper up on?

[paisley]

@Phoenix

Hi paisley,

I’m a little confused. Surely what’s underneath the 15 or whatever top layer makes quite a difference, right? I often see latex for example combos of 15/24/xx, 19/(24/28)/xfirm, soft/med/firm as choices by people on this site and on latex bed makers sites for people that don’t like hard beds and rarely see 19/40’s as a favorite choice by people looking for softer. So why would it be that a 15/xtra firm would work for me equally as well as a medium over regular firm, even 19/24/xtra firm (if I go solution #1 the extra topper route) seems like it would be better than 15 over xtra firm mattress, no? I can’t be the only one to feel underneath the top layer if people are buying combos of 15/24/36 or 19/24/40.

All the layers of a mattress will affect all the other layers of a mattress to different degrees and body type, sleeping position, and personal preferences and sensitivities all play a role in addition to all the specs of the mattress materials (not just ILD).

The ILD of a layer is only one of many factors that affect the “feel” and performance of a mattress and layer thickness, compression modulus, point elasticity, and other factors also have a significant effect. With a 2" layer of very soft material for example you may easily feel the layers below much more than you would with 3" layer of the same material.

I don’t know the detailed specifics of your mattress or the order of the layers but it appears to have at least 2" of softer foam in the top layers and that in combination with 3" of softer latex foam in your topper would give you at least 5" of foam that would be isolating you from the firmness of the innerspring below (assuming your mattress has the softer foam on top). In most cases this would be enough to isolate someone even heavier than you from the firmness of the layers or components below the top 5" but of course each person’s body type is unique so what may work “on average” may not apply to you. Some mattresses that use the same innerspring use different types and thicknesses of foam padding on top the same innerspring to make both ultra firm and soft mattresses.

In some cases even if you put 5" of softer foam directly on the floor (which is much firmer than your mattress innerspring or any of the layers) then some people would even be isolated from the firmness of the floor depending on their body type, sleeping position, and the specifics of the foam. There is more about the specifications that work together that contribute to pressure relief in post #4 here and in post #2 here but this can get somewhat technical and it’s probably enough to know that ILD alone is only one of many factors in mattress design that affects how a mattress feels and performs for each person in terms of pressure relief, support/alignment, and the overall “feel” of the mattress.

Phoenix

Coool. Just read through those posts and this one. I will have to read through them quite thoroughly. Really interesting. Yes, i feel like if had a 5 inche of slab foam on a floor it would actually probably feel better than what i have now, lol, So there is def. something going on other than it’s extra firm foam and mystery foam over coils if that foam is supposed to make the 3" feel fine, although steel coils i suspect are harder than a wood floor. The way they write about it though it does sound like it’s 3/4" of resistant foam on top, then 2" of extra firm then 2" of mystery foam, so no idea why but even in stores it takes 2 toppers to feel good on top of an extra firm mattress while i’m there and there’s no way i’m imagining it, and there’s no way i’m imaging the 24ILD topper feeling better over this thing than the 19ILD i had in the house at the same time, so it’s got to be something. So i’ll read through those posts and try narrow down what it is, and questions and ideas for what type of mattress I should be looking for, or what kind of topper I should add on to this one.

One more question, even with whatever foam is inside my mattress over the coils, and a 3" topper on top, wouldn’t it be common that I could feel a dfference btwn what end result level of firmness is under the 3"? Otherwise wouldn’t the average slim side sleeping female not be able to tell the difference btwn a typical “luxury firm” type things and a medium/plush medium bed? I can tell the difference instantly. When i go into a store and lie down on a typical “luxury firm”, i can tell right away that’s exactly what it is. I almost can’t imagine even females built like myself saying “nope, feels the same as the last random bed”. What am i missing there.

thanks

What if i get a 2" 19 then put a 1" shredded latex topper. Actually I think i need a regular firm mattress and softer topper but then i head into $700 + 300. Maybe a 3" ILD 19 topper over my 24 over the extra firm blech mattresss and a feather bed (lol, i’m laughing cuz it’s like, the options are endless and they could be either good for bad, but as long as my alignment is safe i think almost anything other than too soft would be better than this). I gotta avoid spinal misalignment. Could going “anything softer than this while keeping alignment” be worse than this? I’m not sure what else could happen. Could a 2" 19ILD over my 24 with a featherbed on top mess up my spine?

Sadly no latex toppers at costco, so the no risk option is out.