Pure Latex bliss Beautiful or Nutrition

[phoenix]

Hi Mike7,

Your posts are becoming increasingly bogged down in detail, no longer particularly meaningful, and are too time consuming to continuously correct. They are also hijacking some of the more important discussions in the threads they are part of so I’ll makea few more comments and then this will be the end of this part of our discussion.

Beyond this I will caution you that if you continue to misrepresent what I have said, provide further advice that is not accurate or misleading, or continue in this same argumentative tone then I will transfer your posts to your own thread and remove them from the threads you post in (you would be one of the very few members here where I have had to do this). You are on the edge of forum trolling.

“The difficulty is that it’s often not possible to “match” all the specs and components that can make a difference in the feel and performance of a mattress”

This quote comes from post #10 here. If you read the rest of the post you will see its context. You also need to include the meaning of all of the words so that you can tell discern the difference between absolute statements and cautionary statements that are meant to help people realize the potential risk of the direction they are going.

my words “Mattress.net sells PLB but they will tell you they can duplicate the mattress. Be careful of companies that say that as I don’t think it can be duplicated based on what Ive learned
Ive asked for a price they never got back to me.”

As I’ve mentioned before this is just not correct. The layers of the PLB that someone may want to duplicate are well known and the cover is a stretch knit cover and the ILD’s of Talalay are more specific than other types of latex so if you use the same layer thickness and the same type and ILD of latex and use a similar cover then you would have a virtual duplicate. The key here is that the layers of a mattress that you are duplicating are known (unlike many mattresses that people try to duplicate where they aren’t known) and al the specific materials are available. This still doesn’t deal with the fact that even if they do duplicate a PLB mattress successfully that it may not be suitable for them and then they have no recourse if they chose a design that isn’t suitable for them so the risk is higher.

The inaccuracy and the lack of knowledge behind your “advice” (what you “think” you’ve learned isn’t correct) is the reason for my response that you quoted …

"I would be careful passing this kind of advice on to others because while I understand that for some reason this is what you believe … it’s also not accurate as our previous conversation has already indicated.

It’s true though that it may not be something that someone wants to do or would even be worthwhile for some people but it is certainly possible …especially with Talalay latex."

another exchange - a person says “I don’t get why you’re discouraging the DIY route so much Phoenix.
This is a forum for consumer’s I’m hoping and not one that just steers business to the members of the mattress underground”
your response

“Primarily because it’s a high risk and possibly costly proposition and I have seen the dissappointed results of many consumers who believed that it was easier that it really was and ended up regretting their choice.” then you go on to say "If the type of latex and the latex manufacturer is the same, the ILD and thickness of all the layers are the same, and the cover and quilting is functionally the same, then you’re correct the two mattresses would be substantially the same. This would depend on having accurate information about both a mattress you are trying to copy and the materials you are using to copy it though. The difficulty is that it’s often not possible to “match” all the specs and components that can make a difference in the feel and performance of a mattress and many consumers don’t fully understand the effect that seemingly small differences can make.

This is in exactly the same post and is part of the same reply. It is also accurate (and contradicts your statement that a mattress can’t be duplicated which isn’t my own opinion which is why I corrected you in the previous quote). It also goes on to explain why the choice of a complete DIY without any guidance or exchange options is more risky when you don’t know the details of the layers you are duplicating with certainty. In some cases the components of a mattress can’t be purchased separately and then a DIY design would need to be an approximation or a translation. This may “feel” the same to a majority of people if the translation is equivalent to the original in terms of PPP but wouldn’t be a “duplicate” so it may not have the same feel and performance for all people.

Now you can understand the confusion ----You go on to tell me that its possible to clone you tell me that you dont oppose DIY and yet in your own words most people would get the impression as I did in addition when I tol;d you a company said they could duplicate the PLB you not once typed anything as you did above thanks)

I certainly understand “your” confusion but it’s because you are thinking in black and white terms and not trying to learn the circumstances when something may be one way and when it may be another. I had previously provided you with links about the different ways that a mattress can be duplicated long before this post … you just didn’t read them for some reason which is part of why our exchange has gone on for so long and perhaps why you continue to say the same thing so many times even though it won’t change the content of my replies to you before you decided that you wanted to argue or misrepresent what I have said more than you wanted to learn the information that may benefit you.

I will respond to the other post as well in the thread I started regarding several issues but let me say I find it beyond strange how you respond to my posts and others. First you posted " if you’ve even read the “read first” post you would see that one of the steps is to test mattresses locally and that if there is a local equivalent which is in the range of 20% more that I would consider the local purchase to be roughly equivalent value". What does 20% matter? An equivalent in what ? Dont you see the contradiction? Unless as you admitted it’s the exact materials and ILDS then its not the same mattress. Those online you cant test its that simple.

There is no contradiction here and it’s simply a guideline. If you read the rest of the post you will see that the 20% is a rough guideline to make up for the greater risk of an online purchase and is also a suggestion. It teaches a concept that greater risk needs is part of each person’s “personal value equation”. Each person has their own “formula” for value (which is the point of the post in the first place) and you certainly don’t have to follow any of the suggestions I make. Whether you agree or not though or whether it makes sense to you or not it is still a guideline I would suggest as part of assessing the “value” of a mattress purchase. It makes no difference to me if you follow it or not … its simply there as a suggestion based on experience that can help many people and whether you choose to follow it or ignore it or even whether you understand it is entirely up to you.

Thats part of the confusion many people are having in my opinion.

It would be more effective to speak for yourself and let others speak for themselves as well. You certainly don’t have the knowledge of mattress construction or the industry that your thoughts about “why people are confused” are particularly meaningful to me.

The rest of your comments are mostly going around in circles and covering old ground so I will end this discussion. Again … you are being “officially cautioned” to refrain from offering poor or misguided advice, to continue discussions that are only repetitive, or that misrepresents what someone else says (me or otherwise). You are on the edge of trolling and hijacking forum threads that don’t need the distraction and taking up far too much of my time that is better spent elsewhere.

If you have questions that you want answered or are more interested in learning than you are criticizing then you are welcome to continue posting. Otherwise there are other forums that you are welcome to post in where all opinions are welcome or you can make as many misleading statements as you wish whether they are accurate or not.

Phoenix