Yes … there are quite a few L&P dealers that I’ve seen that offer improved or extended warranties (including the one I linked as an example) and I would agree that for some people this could certainly be an important benefit that may be one of the deciding factors that leads them to purchase one adjustable bed vs another.
While I personally place a higher value on some of the other features or benefits and the price than I do on the warranty because all the major manufacturers of adjustable beds are typically reliable … I can certainly understand that this would be a more important part of a buying decision for others that have different priorities than I do and if I was was buying an adjustable bed and all the other criteria and features that were important to me seemed “equal” then an extended or improved warranty could easily be the tie breaker.
Phoenix, is it true that a brand/mfr. must first pay $$$ in order to be a member of this site? When I mentioned Mattress Underground to Reverie they discounted the credibility of this page because of this fact. The difference between Consumer Reports and Consumers Digest is that one takes $$$ for advertising and etc. and the other does not. This can play a role in the opinions made is what CR claims. I also mentioned to them Sleep Like The Dead because I am trying to find as much unbiased info. as I can before making that all important buying decision(s).
You can see how the site and the time and efforts that go into it are supported in the Our Services/how we survive link in the main menu and there is more detailed information in post #4 here.
I’m not sure what you mean here or which page you are referring to (or whether you mean the whole site). Reverie initially requested membership here and after a fairly extensive vetting process (which would exclude about 90% of the stores in the industry) to confirm they were completely transparent about the materials in their mattresses and that they shared the goals and ideals of the site they were invited to become a member. If one of their customer service representatives is somehow “discounting” the information here when it was the basis for their membership request then they may not be aware that they are a member here and would need some additional training. ADDED: I received an email from Reverie to tell me they had read your comments here and to let me know that you must have misunderstood what they told you and that they think highly of the information on this site and use it on a frequent basis as a reference source.
You can see some comments about the Consumer Reports mattress ratings and recommendations in post #2 here and in this topic. While they may be a good source of information about more “objective” purchases … as you can see I (and most knowledgeable people in the industry) would consider them to be a unreliable source of guidance about purchasing a mattress.
I would be very cautious about using other people’s reviews or experiences on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how suitable a mattress may be for you or the durability of a mattress and in many cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on or vice versa (see post #13 here).
There is also much more detailed information about review sites in general and some of the other “resources” that are available online including the amalgamated reviews at Sleep Like The Dead in post #4 here.
The goal of the site has always been to provide information about “how” to choose a mattress that provides the tools and information that will make the quality and value of a purchase self evident so that each person has the knowledge and information to be able to assess the suitability, quality/durability, and value of a mattress purchase for themselves based on their own unique needs and preferences and criteria regardless of what anyone else may prefer or recommend and without having to “believe” anyone. It’s the difference between helping the members here learn “how” to choose vs telling them “what” to choose based on preferences or criteria that may not be relevant or meaningful to them or in many cases may not be in their best interests (or the difference between giving someone a fish or teaching them how to fish).
Maybe not in terms of “design” but what the material is comprised of as to the durability of the product, where does the Reverie Dream system mattress components rank vs 100% Natural Latex bed such as one from Plushbeds.com? Have you heard of Plush beds before? They are GreenGuard Gold Certified and dies this certification mean anything to you?. Mattress Summary:
Organic Cotton Cover 100% Natural Joma Wool 2" 100% Natural Talalay Latex 6" 100% Natural Dunlop Latex No Glue or Glued Layers No Harsh Chemicals
All PlushBeds mattresses are GreenGuard Gold Certified – a certification that less than 1% of all mattresses receive
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• Methylene Chloride …and 10,000 other harmful chemicals!
You can see some comments about Plushbeds in post #2 here.
Greenguard Gold is a safety testing standard that tests for harmful VOC’s. Two other testing protocols include Oeko-Tex and Eco-Institut which also test for harmful VOC’s and also for harmful substances that can leach out of a material. There is a little more about Oeko-Tex, Eco-Institut, and Greenguard Gold and other certifications in post #2 here.
Where does the Reverie Dream system mattress components rank vs 100% Natural Botanical Bliss Latex bed such as one from Plushbeds.com in terms of durability?
They are both latex mattresses which is among the most durable materials in the industry so they would be similar and I would expect a minimum of 10 years plus some “bonus time” for both of them and for some people there could be “extended bonus time” depending on the other factors that can affect durability and the useful life of a mattress (see my reply here)
I was thinking more of the specs such as if the Reverie Dream Supreme being 100% natural latex or is it a synthetic blend possibly? If I look around I thought you listed the specs. I wonder if it’s using both Dunlop and Talalay similarly to the Plush Beds. a.stauff (other member with this system) mentioned the odor and temperature regulation. 100% natural latex won’t emit any off gassing so I’m suspicious the Reverie is using cheaper materials to some extent than the 100% Plush Botanical Bliss.
You can see the specs of the Reverie mattresses in the post I linked in my reply to you here.
Neither one (natural or synthetic latex or a blend) would have any harmful VOC’s but both of them would have some initial smell.
You can read more about the most likely reasons for temperature regulation issues in post #2 here but from the sounds of it the issue that a.stauff was having was connected to his blankets and sheets (he was too warm with one set of bedding and too cold with another).
So the dream cells are 60% natural latex and a synthetic blend? I’m guessing the 2" latex is made from? What’s the additional layer the Supreme one had that the Sleep doesn’t have?
All their latex has a minimum of 60% natural rubber (which would mean 40% synthetic rubber) and the PU means polyurethane or polyfoam. If you need more specifics then a phone call to Reverie will be your most reliable source for any additional information that you may need.
I just want to reiterate, I did NOT say off-gassing. I said minimal odor. As in, it has a SMELL. Not a chemical smell. Just a smell. I would have been shocked if a king sized mattress of any type didn’t smell like something. Plus, as I mentioned we got all new sheets, blankets, pillows, plus the base. I’m really surprised it didn’t smell more than it did. Wrewster, please stop saying I said it was off-gassing. It was not, and I did not say that. I am trying to be super honest with my review and I wanted to at least address the smell (or lack of one).
As for the temperature issue… I am still fine tuning it. I think what I have on the bed right now is too heavy as far as blankets go. But it has been really cold here in Wisconsin. I am more concerned (as I said) about day sleeping in the summer. I do believe the mattress is warmer than my old inner springs. But I have never slept on a memory foam mattress. Only tested them in stores. The Reverie does NOT feel cold or firm when initially getting into it like I have heard memory foam owners say.
Hi Phoenix, I will call Reverie. I was asking you because I figured you may know because of the credentials it takes for them to be a member. I didn’t realize that the synthetic latex blend is as good as 100%natural latex in many ways with so many online companies touting the benefits of 100% natural. I hope Reverie will tell me with transparency as there was something you mentioned earlier that they keep close to there vest.
I called Brain at Reverie and he claims that no latex can be made 100% just latex and that it needs a combiner/filler to be whipped up and then baked. Can anyone confirm what this means exactly and is this true of all mattresses claiming to be 100% natural latex?
No latex is 100% rubber (either natural or synthetic) but 100% natural latex by convention means that all the rubber used in the formulation is natural and it doesn’t include any synthetic rubber in the mix.
I am trying to purchase this system and am hoping things work out. After all of this work I just want to enjoy a great nights sleep. Wish me luck! Reverie I hope you are listening…
One thing I liked about Oeko-Tex was the ease of obtaining their testing standard limit values right from Oeko-Tex.com without jumping through hoops. Greenguard is more difficult because you have to set up an account with Underwriters Lab in order to download a .PDF which contains the information. Not the end of the world by any means, but less transparent for sure.
At the end of the day, my conclusion was: Greenguard Gold vs Oeko-Tek (which is the cert my mattress has) is a don’t care. And I also felt that Plush Beds was (a) trying to gouge the consumer on the basis of being Greenguard Gold certified, and (b) were misleading about its implications. To me, they imply that Greenguard Gold is an exclusive certification that ensures certain safety standards, when in fact Greenguard Gold is very very very similar to another standard (Oeko-Tex) by which many or most natural latex mattresses certified. So perhaps one questions would be: do Oeko-Tek certified mattress meet Greenguard Gold standards and do Greenguard Gold certified mattresses meet Oeko-Tek standards by default? Probably not. But in looking at the chemicals and testing limits of each - to me again, it’s a don’t care. These certified natural mattresses are all VERY safe, no matter which certification it is.
This is just my opinion and observation as a consumer who read and researched a bit before making a recent purchase.
Your comments about GreenGuard Gold also reflect my own thoughts.
GreenGuard Gold also only tests for VOC’s and not for harmful substances that can leach out or migrate out of the material through close contact.
I sent an email to Oeko-Tex about how they compare about three weeks ago but haven’t received a reply yet.
Phoenix
"Hello,
I run a website and forum that helps people with their research on mattresses and many of the forum members are very interested in testing certifications for the safety of foam and other materials.
I have often mentioned and recommended an Oeko-tex standard 100 certification as a reliable source of safety information but there are many mattress manufacturers that are now claiming that they are Greenguard or Greenguard Gold certified and I was wondering how their threshold limits for various VOC’s compared to yours.
I am aware that Greenguard doesn’t test for harmful substances as you do but they were originally designed as an air pollution standard for building materials and furniture (the children and schools certification which is now Greenguard Gold) and it seems to me that VOC concentrations that are measured for their effect in a room environment would likely be different from VOC concentrations that are measured in close proximity to a sleeping environment that is closer to the material itself. This makes me wonder about the effect of the chamber size that is used for testing VOC concentrations and how much they would affect the results.
On the surface the Greenguard thresholds appear to be lower than yours but I suspect that could be misleading if the chamber sizes are different or the testing methods are different and I was hoping that you could make some comments that could help the forum members compare the effectiveness of Oeko-tex testing vs Greenguard testing.
Thank you for any help or insights you may be able to provide."
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