Hi Phoenix. Have the specs of the Reverie Dream Supreme 1 Natural mattress changed? I was told by a Reverie rep over the phone that the top layer is 100% Natural Talalay from Talalay Global, and does not contain any polyfoam. I was also told the ILD of the the top layer was 14. Another member retailer told me 14 is too soft, especially in 100% natural Talalay, and that I would go right through that layer, and that it would also break down much quicker than anything else. My BMI is between 24 and 25 at 5â4". Also, I am confused about the RevTech foam they use on the border all the way around the Dream Cells. They told me itâs soy based but Iâm not certain if thatâs still a high quality material theyâre using. Thanks!
Hello! Iâm so happy to hear youâre considering the Dream Supreme 1 Natural mattress. Iâd love to answer your questions and concerns about the latex and density. To provide some extra insight, the top layer youâre referring to is there for comfort, which is why itâs a bit lower at 14, while the Dream Cells are there for support, so thatâs where youâll find the higher densities.
Weâd love to dive deeper into this and chat further about your needs. Please feel free to give our sleep specialists a call at 888-888-5990 whenever you have a moment so we can follow up. I also attached further details about the mattress for your review.
Thanks,
Sara at Reverie
Thank you for the reply. These are my main concernsâŚ
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Considering it is 100% natural Talalay, the softest and weakest latex, how durable is the comfort layer? Another member retailer told me 14 is too soft, especially in 100% natural Talalay, and that I would go right through that layer, and that it would also break down much quicker than anything else. My BMI is between 24 and 25 at 5â4".
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I did try this mattress out and it felt very comfortable. I am concerned though that there is no trial period. If the comfort layer IS too soft, can it be switched to one with a higher ILD?
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What exactly is the RevTech foam used on the border all the way around the Dream Cells? The Reverie telephone rep told me itâs soy based but Iâm not certain if thatâs a high quality material. Is it polyfoam or memory foam, or if itâs different, what is it?
What is the density? How do I know this is going to last?
Thank you very much for your help!
You can rest assured (no pun intended) that the comfort layer is durable. We actually send our mattresses through a rigorous third party test that looks at durability, craftsmanship, and functionality. Very few mattresses pass these tests, but we have on many occasions. You can also read what consumer reports has to say about our mattresses, as theyâre also looking at the comfort layer, density, materials, and overall quality: https://reverie.com/consumer-reports
Another thing to keep in mind is that our mattresses come with a 10 year warranty. To answer #2, you cannot change the comfort layer, but weâre confident youâll be able to find the right firmness level through the Dream Cells. We also have a dedicated team to make sure youâre loving your mattress from day 1, so if there are any issues weâd be happy to help.
Hopefully this helps ease your concerns. Feel free to give us a call at 888-888-5990 if you want to dive into anything further.
Hi craz4cakes.
For the benefit of others who may be interested in Reverie products, I am adding a few more details to the information that Reverie themselves provided (Thank you Sara/Reverie for your input), I am also listing the specs summary for each the models they presently carry.
The model that would have polyfoam in the comfort layer would be an older model âDream Supremeâ (had 2" NR Talalay medium/firm and 1" of 2.3 polyfoam 20 ILD but the model was discontinued at the end of 2016 along with the standard Dream and Dream Lite models.)
Dream Supreme Natural I & II were introduced back in Nov 2016. Dream Supreme N I has always had 2.5" Talalay comfort layer in 14 ILD (The older model version model ⌠standard Dream, and Dream Supreme that was a 2")
Dream Hybrid I
[indent]Comfort:
[ul][li]5" natural Talalay latex 14 ILD[/li]
[li]2" Memory Foam 4lb. 12 ILD[/li][/ul][/indent]
[indent]Support: [ul][li]DreamCells: 5 zoned rows of 3" polyfoam DreamCells. Densities range from 20-42 ILD [/li]
[li]Tub: 2lb. Polyfoam 34 ILD base 42 ILD rails[/li][/ul]
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Dream Hybrid II
[indent]Comfort:
[ul][li]1" natural Talalay latex 14 ILD[/li]
[li]2" Memory Foam 4lb. 12 ILD[/li][/ul][/indent]
[indent]Support: [ul][li]DreamCells: 8 zoned rows of 3" polyfoam DreamCells. Densities range from 20-42 ILD[/li]
[li]Tub: 2lb. Polyfoam 34 ILD base 42 ILD rails[/li][/ul]
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Dream Supreme I Natural
[indent]Comfort:
- 2.5" natural Talalay latex 14 ILD
[indent]Support:
[ul][li]DreamCells: 6" all natural latex DreamCells 38 ILD[/li]
[li]Tub: 2lb. Polyfoam 34 ILD base 42 ILD rails[/li][/ul][/indent]
Dream Supreme I Hybrid
[indent]Comfort:
[ul][li]5" natural Talalay latex 14 ILD[/li]
[li]2" Memory Foam 4lb. 12 ILD [/li][/ul][/indent]
[indent]Support:
[ul][li]DreamCells: 6" all natural latex DreamCells 38 ILD[/li]
[li]Tub: 2lb. Polyfoam 34 ILD base 42 ILD rails[/li][/ul][/indent]
Dream Supreme II Natural
[indent]Comfort:
- 3" graphite infused latex 14ILD 70% natural 30% synthetic
[indent]Support:
[ul][li]DreamCells: 6" all natural latex DreamCells 38 ILD [/li]
[li]Tub: 2lb. Polyfoam 34 ILD base 42 ILD rails[/li][/ul][/indent]
Dream Supreme II Hybrid
[indent]Comfort:
[ul][li]1" graphite infused latex 14ILD 70% natural 30% synthetic [/li]
[li]2" Memory Foam 4lb. 12 ILD[/li][/ul][/indent]
[indent]Support:
[ul][li]DreamCells: 6" all natural latex DreamCells 38 ILD[/li]
[li]Tub: 2lb. Polyfoam 34 ILD base 42 ILD rails[/li][/ul][/indent]
It is true that softer latex (which is generally less dense) would be a little less durable than a firmer latex especially in the uppermost layers of the mattress where it undergoes the most mechanical stress, but again I would also keep in mind that latex is the most durable material compared to any other types of foam and any difference in durability between different types of latex is not meaningful. FYI⌠technically blended in the very soft can be a bit more durable.
As Sarah pointed out, and keeping in mind that all components in a mattress work together to create an overall feel and that Reverie systems can be customized to suit most comfort/support needs (with the DreamCells that can be rearranged and changed for different firmness), changing the comfort layer instead would not bring much benefit. Although still most durable of all foams, some latex bed manufacturers choose to stay away from the ultra-plush 14-15 ILD latex for durability issues as a business choice, but plenty of companies (like Pure Talalay Bliss) still use 3" of 15 ILD Talalay in the upper layers of their beds. Each company is different and has an individual philosophy.
I donât know if the polyfoam or memory foam used in the Reverie uses some plant-based polyols, but that wouldnât be a reason to consider it if it did. In post #2 here I describe in more detail the use plant based polyols in polyfoam. In a nutshell, part of the polyol portion used to create polyurethane foam is replaced with a plant-based polyol. Thereâs a brief explanation of this from one of the polyol manufacturers here.
As youâre aware, you certainly are considering a great quality/value choice from Reverie, our Trusted Members here which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.
I hope this information helps you move forward in your search! I or any of our Expert Members would be happy to assist you with any other specific questions you may have.
Phoenix
Thank you SO much Phoenix! THAT is the information I was looking for. It greatly helps in giving clarity so we can choose the right mattress. I do have some other questions⌠I didnât realize there was a âbaseâ of polyfoam underneath the dream cells of the Dream Supreme Natural 1. How thick is that layer? It is listed on the Reverie website as an 11" mattress height, but the top comfort layer is 2.5" and the dream cells are 6", which equals 8.5". Where is the extra 2.5" to equal an 11" height? Does polyfoam act and/or feel more like latex or memory foam, or is it altogether different? Also, what is the cover made made of, and is there natural wool for fire protection? If not, what do they use? Any kind of chemical retardant? Thank you kindly for your assistance. 
Happy to answer these! Below are the specifics.
The base of the tub that holds all the DreamCells is about 2". The side walls around the DreamCells are 5.25" so the tub overall is 7.25".
The tub is polyfoam, and thatâs closer to memory foam. Memory foam is actually a denser polyfoam with some added chemicals to give it that âviscoelasticâ feel.
The cover is made of some blend of polyester, polypropylene, rayon, and cashmere. The FR barrier is a non-woven laminate sewn into the outer mattress cover.
We hope this helps in making your decision!
Thank you so much for your response. With the non-woven laminate FR barrier, as well as the rest of the mattress, is there any off-gassing? I have to be careful of what Iâm sleeping on because I have asthma.
Hi craz4cakes.
I jump in as I spoke with Reverie recently and I know that Sarah is unavailable for a few days
Everything off-gasses some levels of VOCs, even fruit off-gass. The only reliable way to assess the âsafetyâ of different materials in more general terms is based on lab tests and the certifications they have for harmful substances and VOCs so that you have some assurance than the VOCs are below the testing limits for the certification (see post #2 here for more information about some of the more reliable âsafetyâ certifications). If the materials in a mattress or the mattress itself have a reliable âsafetyâ certification then for most people they would certainly be âsafe enoughâ, regardless of the type of material.
All the latex you are likely to encounter (either Dunlop or Talalay that is made with either natural or synthetic rubber or a blend of both) will have a reliable certification such as Oeko-Tex, Eco-Institut, Greenguard Gold or C2C and based on actual testing I would consider any type or blend of latex to be a very âsafeâ material in terms of harmful substances and VOCâs (off-gassing) abd their FR barrier tends to be quite innocuous.
Phoenix
Thank you so much Phoenix!
I apologize if this has been already asked in this thread, but I have a few questions regarding the Reverie mattress.
First, should I even consider one, since I am not able to test one out before hand? Considering that they have a âno returnsâ policy?
Second, they seem to be a little wishy washy on their web site about using a flat foundation. Will a slatted foundation designed for a foam mattress work? I am not interested in an adjustable base. (To me, an adjustable base is like a hot tub - itâs super cool for about 2 weeks, but then I would never use it again).
My third question will probably reveal my ignorance, but I wouldnât even know whether to consider the hybrid (memory foam) model, or the natural model.
Sorry if these are stupid questions; l appreciate any help. Thank you.
[color=black][color=orange]Hi there! Happy to answer these questions for you.
We actually do have a return policy on the mattresses for an additional fee, and youâd get 75% of your money back on the mattress if you were unhappy. That said, we have a whole team dedicated to customizing your mattress for you, so weâd be surprised if you werenât able to reach satisfaction. Also, not sure where youâre located but we a have a number of retailers across the country where you can try our products.
For the foundation, a flat/solid foundation is recommended over a slatted foundation, however, it will work. The flat foundation is more reliable and will better support the mattress since each piece of the mattress will be supported. That said, The adjustable base really is the best if great sleep is the ultimate goal.
And lastly, Natural vs. Hybrid is really a personal preference that can be determined by a number of things. What your body is used to sleeping on, your height and weight, sleeping profile, etc. Thatâs where our team can help you narrow down that decision based off your answers. As always, weâre just a phone call away if youâd like to chat further.[/color] [/color]
[quote=âReverieâ post=77046][color=black][color=orange]Hi there! Happy to answer these questions for you.
We actually do have a return policy on the mattresses for an additional fee, and youâd get 75% of your money back on the mattress if you were unhappy. That said, we have a whole team dedicated to customizing your mattress for you, so weâd be surprised if you werenât able to reach satisfaction. Also, not sure where youâre located but we a have a number of retailers across the country where you can try our products.
For the foundation, a flat/solid foundation is recommended over a slatted foundation, however, it will work. The flat foundation is more reliable and will better support the mattress since each piece of the mattress will be supported. That said, The adjustable base really is the best if great sleep is the ultimate goal.
And lastly, Natural vs. Hybrid is really a personal preference that can be determined by a number of things. What your body is used to sleeping on, your height and weight, sleeping profile, etc. Thatâs where our team can help you narrow down that decision based off your answers. As always, weâre just a phone call away if youâd like to chat further.[/color] [/color][/quote]
Thanks for the information. You mentioned, however, that you will allow returns, minus a return fee, but your website clearly states in the FAQ section that you donât allow returns. Which is It?
Ah, thanks for letting us know! This is a new policy change and it has not been updated everywhere yet. Our Sleep Specialists would be happy to chat return policy details with you though.
So your return policy involves paying to be able to return PLUS losing 25% of original price paid?
Could you comment specifically on any fire retardant properties?
What does âReverie Sleep Systemâ refer to? I am attempting to pull together an order and it is close to $4700 but appears to only be a mattress. Is a boxspring included? âSystemâ to me means more than just a singular mattress. If it does not include a boxspring, where do I get one of those? I donât want adjustable-just basic.
What is the Reverie discount for TMU customers? I input the code and nothing was reflected.
Helllloooooo??? anyone out there in Reverie mattress land?
Hi MomCat.
Sorry for the delayed reply⌠thanks for the bringing us back from our âreveriesâ. your post slipped through the cracks.
Reverie is providing accessories credit for The Mattress Underground (TMU) consumer members and does not offer a specific discount code for any purchases at this time. As the TMU consumer rewards system recently changed, the best way to apply the bonus/accessories credit for TMU members is to place the order by phone with the mention that you are a consumer Member of The Mattress Underground and ask the sales representative to manually apply the accessories credit to your purchase.
Reverieâs Seep System is bundling an adjustable power base unit with one of their 4 Dream mattress models, but they also sell mattress separately.
You are certainly looking at a great quality/value choice and hopefully you can return here to let us know of your eventual decision and any other comments or questions you may have.
Phoenix