I just wanted to post about our journey, as I read a lot of the posts and reviews on this forum while searching for our bed and found them interesting and helpful.
About my background:
I’m about 5’9" 185 and my wife is 5’6" and 135. Both of us are 75% side sleepers / 25% back sleepers.
My wife and I slept on a Simmons Beautyrest innerspring for many years – I loved it, but my wife did not. Of course - I used to be able to sleep comfortably anywhere, which has changed as I’ve gotten older, so I don’t know how I would feel about the bed now.
We switched to a Nest Bedding Alexander Signature (memory foam) medium-firmness bed and found the opposite to be true – my wife liked it, but I just could not get comfortable. I slept on that bed for two years and always woke up with back stiffness and pain. It was super-comfortable for the first 30 minutes, but my hips sunk in too much and there just wasn’t enough support.
Re: foundation - we put all our mattresses on the floor, so there’s no issue with the foundation affecting the support.
So after doing a great deal of reading, we took the leap and bought the Sleep EZ 13" all-latex bed. We tried a handful of latex beds prior to this, but it was hard to find a lot of good latex bed stores in our region and we didn’t have the time to drive super-far, so we just took the plunge. I figured that there were so many customizable options (especially with 4 layers of latex on each side), that we should be able to figure out what our optimal combinations were. We’ve been sleeping on it now for a couple weeks. Here are some initial conclusions:
- It is actually quite labor-intensive to re-stack all the latex mattresses. I am someone who will typically try out combinations ad nauseum to ensure I’ve perfectly optimized everything, but stacking and re-stacking 8 half-king size latex pads by yourself is very tiring! If my wife were not pregnant and could help me, this may be easier, but doing it by myself in my small-ish bedroom where there isn’t much space to lay everything out, I am typically sweating and have an aching back by the time I’m done. So in my mind, I’d expected I would be able to try out all the different combinations to test which one I’d like best. In reality, I’m probably going to run out of steam soon.
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One thing I had not expected is that the edge support is quite poor. The best way to mitigate this appears to be to make sure that your layers are all stacked perfectly on top of each other and that they go right up to the very edge of the mattress cover so there’s no wiggle-room. In practice though, this seems very difficult to do perfectly and to do on all the edges … and even if it’s done perfectly, the outside 3-4 inches around the perimeter of the bed is quite a bit softer than the rest of the bed. My wife has complained that if she gets close to the edge, she feels like she’s just going to roll right off, and that our functional bed-space is less than it was with the Alexander Signature.
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We both love some plushness in our beds - we’ve typically liked about “medium”-firmness, and if it weren’t for my hips sinking in when I’m on my back, I personally would love to sleep on a very soft bed – but we’ve been surprised at how we have actually liked the firmer setups in latex.
Originally, on my side, I had gotten Soft Talalay / Soft-medium Talalay (ILD 25) / Medium Talalay / Firm Talalay, and on her side, we’d gotten Soft Talalay / Soft-medium Dunlop (ILD 25) / Medium Dunlop / Firm Dunlop.
However, we’ve discovered that any setup with Soft Talalay, Soft-medium Talalay, or Medium Talalay on the top two layers has been too soft for us - it almost has a “waterbed” or air-mattress feel and your back sinks right in. To take Phoenix’s analogy, it’s as if you’re lying on a bed of angel food cake (as opposed to the denser feel of pound cake, which would describe the feeling of dunlop), or trying to fall asleep on a marshmellow that caves in when you lie on it. This was surprising to me - as after reading lots of reviews and talking to latex experts (and doing some 5-minute tests on beds in-store), I had expected to prefer the Talalay.
I was contemplating just returning all the Talalay except for the Soft top layers and switching both of us to all-dunlop, when as a last-gasp attempt to confirm Talalay was not for me, I tried putting (top->bottom) Soft Talalay => Firm Talalay => Medium Dunlop => Medium-soft Dunlop.
And yay! It’s only been one night for me so I need to see how my body adjusts, but in terms of comfort, I love the feeling! The soft Talalay over Firm Talalay over Dunlop provides some of the buoyancy of Talalay but I don’t sink into it like I’m trying to sleep on a marshmellow.
My wife right now is on Soft Talalay => Firm Dunlop => Medium Talalay => Medium-soft Talalay, and she thinks it’s fine. The combinations she seems to favor are Soft Talalay over either Medium or Firm Dunlop. To be honest - she does not yet love the feeling of latex - she complains that it feels more “mushy” rather than “soft”. My impression is that she just really dislikes the feeling of Talalay, so I am considering switching her back to Soft Talalay => S-M Dunlop => M Dunlop => F Dunlop, as she did not try that one for very long.
Anyway - if anyone has any suggestions on which direction we should try adjusting next, I would love any additional guidance. I think it’s a little strange right now that we’ve both got our firm layers near the top, and then the layers become progressively softer below. It makes me think that we should be swapping out those medium-soft layers for firms or at least mediums, so if the beds get any softer over the next couple years, we can try to adjust a little bit. Also - if we have a firm layer as our second layer - how much does it matter what’s below? Like if you have firm dunlop as your second layer, will you be able to tell the difference between having medium talalay vs. medium dunlop as your third layer?
This has been an interesting journey – but I feel like we’re getting closer and closer to finding our ideal bed! Thanks for your thoughts and for sharing your experiences!
The versions we’ve tried are (top => bottom):
S-T / 25-T / M-T / F-T (too soft for both of us),
S-T / 25-D / M-D / F-D (maybe worth trying again)
S-T / 25-D / F-T / M-T (too soft)
S-T / 25-T / M-D / F-D (too soft)
S-T / M-T / F-D / 25-T (too soft)
S-T / M-D / F-T / 25-D (this one seemed to work for my wife)
S-T / F-D / M-T / 25-T (works for my wife)
S-T / F-T / M-D / 25-D (the first one I liked)