Serta I series Bradbury broke down in 2 1/2 weeks need exchange from Bedmart Help:-))

Sorry if I missed something Phoenix, I had been researching the Serta iseries and icomfort lines. There was little information on their layer of “CoolAction Gel Memory Foam”. My research led me to this thread which appeared to provide the information on this material. I was confirming its density and IFD as 4lb and 10.5 IFD. I don’t know why they would simply provide these specs. With their koolcomfort layer - they do mention it is 5lb. This site has provided some excellent detective work on the materials used in various beds.

Hi crazydiamond,

OK … now I get it :slight_smile:

I thought you were asking about the CoolAction but you had just posted the specs for it so my “translation” of your post was that you meant to ask about the specs of another one of the materials rather than telling us what Serta had said. Thanks for letting us know.

I agree with you that the manufacturers should provide the specs that are needed to know the quality of the materials they use in their mattresses but unfortunately most of the major ones don’t (at least not without jumping through many hoops and even then the most important ones are usually not disclosed like the polyfoam densities in their mattresses). Of course they have a good reason for this because the “facts” would lose them many sales to smaller local or regional competitors and their marketing stories are the driving force behind their success … not meaningful information. I only recently discovered the density of the polyfoam in the iComfort for example because a forum member found out from a Serta rep (and most of them don’t give out this information) and posted the information here in the forum (and if the information is correct, it is in the quality range of low budget/quality mattresses)

So basically the materials used in the iComfort lineup (to the limits of what I know) are …

CoolAction Gel Memory Foam … 4 lb gel particle infused … lower quality/durability equivalent to sub 4 lb regular memory foam.

KoolComfort Memory Foam … 5 lb good quality

Slow Response Latex … generally good quality but type of latex unknown. It has no pincores which makes it likely that
it is some form of Dunlop and this could be natural, synthetic, or blended latex.

Gel Energy Foam … generally good quality and some sites refer to it as Talalay but it could also be another type of latex. Could be natural, syntheticj, or blended.

Support Foam … very low quality 1.3 lb polyurethane typically used only in the low quality/budget mattresses

Comfort Foam … likely to be a firmer version of the comfort foam with the same low quality

6" ComfortLast Support Core … 1.5 lb polyfoam which a the density/quality generally only used in the support core of low budget mattresses.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix
Glad our detective work with the different layers will help someone else.

As an owner of the I series for the 2 1/2 weeks if you are very light it might work but for a heavier body no Way! Very poorly produced mattress as the above thread let’s one know. Not worth your money to go with the big S stores. Wow could have bought a king Latex mattress knowing all the benefits and sustainability and would have been better off.

Hey everyone Phoenix put in a PayPal button if you would like. I would have saved a lot if I found this site first however all the previous tips have helped make a good night’s sleep.

Thanks good summary.

I may regret it, but two weeks ago I purchased an iseries (not icomfort). I will receive it in about a week. Hence some research about the iseries before and after my purchase.

The only thing I can say I did right in choosing the specific model I did, was I choose one of the few iseries models with no plain foams in it. This model just has the 5lb koolcomfort memory foam on top and cool action gel memory gel under that. At least the 5lb stuff is good as a top layer. I think this may give it an edge (well a bit more durability) over something like the Bradbury model and others with the low quality foams mixed with the memory foam. I do have the 100/120 day exchange return policy…so stay tuned.

P.S my wife has severe allergies to latex so we kind of skipped that route a month ago during our consideration for a new mattress.

Hi crazydiamond,

I’m not sure which model you chose but besides the lower quality/durability of the type of gel memory foam they use and the low density of the Comfortlast support core (which is apparently only 1.5 lb density) … all of the models except the Insight includes polyfoam in the mix of the comfort layers. Some of these are “omitted” in the layer descriptions on the Serta website. These vary from 1" - 2" of either “support foam” or “comfort foam” in the different models. While an inch of low density polyfoam in the upper layers by itself may not be a big issue if it was the only “weak link” of the mattress … in combination with other less durable materials it may contribute to softening and loss of comfort or support over time and be one additional factor that reduces the useable lifetime of the mattress.

The latex used in mattresses is not generally a material that affects people with latex allergies unless they are the more serious Type 1 allergy which like all allergies which can induce anaphylactic shock (like a bee sting for some people) can be very serious indeed. Post #2 here has more information about latex allergies and how unusual it would be for latex foam … even for those who are allergic to other rubber products like gloves or condoms.

Phoenix

Thanks again.

The icomforts are based on foam cores. The iseries are hybrids using foams (MF and other foams) over coil cores. This is what the bradbury was in the beginning of this thread I think.

I bought the Serta Jubliance iseries Perfect Day model. 2" inches of 5lb KoolComfort, then 2 inches 4lb Cool action gel (4 inches total memory foam) over a duet coil system. No other “cheap” comfort foams in it like in the other models. Just Memory foam and coil. About $2200 bucks. It is listed as a medium comfort mattress (neutral feel) neither too firm nor too soft.

My wife could not handle a tempurpedic cloud or all other competitors (which I wanted), so we compromised on a hybrid.

I am aware the 4lb density is not the best, but then again their are cheap mattresses and toppers with 3lb Memory foams in it and others with just plain old worthless “comfort foams”… which can’t standup to big guys like me. I am hoping putting the 5lb KC MF up on the top in this model, along with the 4lb underneath, will offer some durability from what I have had in “plain foam” spring mattresses. Or at least retain some uniformity and comfort for 3-4 years. I would be fine to get 4 good years out of this “25 year” serta model. I got 120 days to see how I like it.

My wife has a combination of skin sensitivities and chronic asthma. The latex reaction could very well lead to a severe asthma attack. I will read your link to the types of latex out there and keep it in mind should this mattress not hold up.

Thanks again for so much detailed technical data. This is only one of two places on the net I could find any discussion of the specs on serta or other mattress components. I know you are a big proponent of latex and of smaller custom mattress shops and I respect that. I have book marked a couple of places you listed near me… just in case.

Hi crazydiamond,

My apologies. You’re right of course and sometimes I see the Serta “i” and my mind jumps to iComfort which is the subject of most of the questions here rather than the iSeries. As you mentioned … a few of the iSeries (the top 3 in the line) don’t have the polyfoam in the comfort layers so you are absolutely correct that your mattress doesn’t have the “questionable” foams outside of the gel foam itself.

The CoolAction gel memory foam is actually not comparable to a 4 lb foam because this is not its polymer density. The gel is heavier than the memory foam so it artificially inflates the weight of the memory foam it’s added to. The particles also lower the durability of the memory foam as all particulates do with foams so it would actually be more comparable to another memory foam that was lower than 4 lbs. (likely in the 3 - 3.5 lb range).

The good news though is that you’re also right about how the higher quality memory foam on top will increase the durability of the lower quality gel memory foam below. Believe it or not I also like the design of the “Duet” springs and how they work in parallel rather than in series. This allows for some travel in the taller lighter spring before it gets firmer faster as both springs work together in tandem which can lead to better alignment.

While the mattress will likely stay “even” because the foams will not have the unweighted impressions that trigger a warranty claim … the foam softening and loss of comfort and support (or sleeping in a hole or soft spot) which is the reason that a mattress normally needs to be replaced is not covered by warranty. However if you have selected in the middle of your “range” of pressure relief and alignment needs … then with any initial foam softening the odds are better that you will still be in the range that is best for you and further softening will be more gradual after that.

I should also mention that even though the “value” may not be there … if I was faced with a choice of having a good sleep for a few years with a lower quality/value mattress and a poor sleep with a higher quality/value mattress … I would choose the better sleep even if the cost was higher. While I would rather have both good value and good sleep … there is no doubt IMO which is most important overall.

So thanks for your feedback and a comments … and if your mattress is still working in terms of PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Preferences) after the initial 120 days … then the odds are good that you will get your 4 years out of it :slight_smile:

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix

Just an update since Az Premium Mattress’s Talalay GL fast recovery topper came. I love it and have slept much better without pressure points and also a much better and longer sleep without frequent awakenings.

I much prefer the fast recovery because I find it easier to move around in bed. Also the adjustable bed is divine. thank you again for helping me make a bad situation good. Your site has been a tremendous source of information.
Robbie

Hi robbiev3,

Thanks for the kind words and for your report :slight_smile:

I have similar preferences to you it seems in terms of preferring less restriction of the healthy and necessary natural movements that need to happen while we are sleeping. Of course the other side to this same story that is of interest to many … and not mentioned as frequently … is having less restriction on the “other movements” that happen on a mattress when we are awake :slight_smile:

Phoenix