Today we drove down to NW Sleep in Delta. The owner was helpful and not pushy in the slightest.
I have been in more pain each night on a bad night so when we tried the latex pillow top called The Vale, I felt like I had landed in a cloud!
It has a 6" Ergonomic 5-zone 100% Talalay latex core
2 inches of 100% tala lay latex in the pillow top
4 inches of 100% Talalay latex in the support layers
(3) 3/4 " layers of high density foam - he couldnât give me more detail about that.
They have a cotton cover on the showroom model but are switching to Bamboo.
The queen set is $2050.
We went back and forth between this and another few mattresses for quite a while but spent most of our time on this one. It seemed to keep us in good alignment and gave relief at the pressure points which are so sore right now - shoulders and hips. I was concerned this might be too soft for my husband but he insists he finds it comfortable and supportive.
We thought we had finally found our bed! But I find my upper back and shoulder exceptionally painful tonight. Iâm not sure what itâs from. There is no "comfort warrantee " on this bed which is a bit disconcerting.
There was another model in the warehouse, I think called The Whistler, which was 100% natural Talalay but no pillow top. It felt okay, just a bit firm for me but now I wonder if a 3" Talalay topper or wool could make a difference? Thinking about what Iâve learned that you can only make a mattress softer not harder. The support core is important.
We are eager to make a decision, have been at this mattress search for several weeks now and have covered lots of KMs. Certainly would appreciate your input here, and if there are any red flags, please let me know!
These are all high quality materials and there are no weak links in the mattress. The 3/4" layer of quilting foam is less than âaround an inch or soâ which I use as a guideline for lower density or unknown layers so this would be fine. Itâs also good value for a queen set.
Every difference in construction, layer thickness, materials, or components in a mattress can make a difference yes which is why good testing can be so important. As you mentioned, if two choices appear to be close to equal itâs usually a good idea to choose the firmer of the two but I would sleep on a mattress for at least two weeks before considering any changes (because of the break in and adjustment period and because itâs easy for a night or twoâs experience to be an anomaly). A 3" soft latex topper on a mattress that was already close to being a good âmatchâ in terms of PPP would be on the risky side in terms of alignment because it would add a lot to the thickness and softness of the comfort layer and put you further away from the support layers. Wool can certainly add some pressure point relief and also has a ârelaxedâ surface âfeelâ and good temperature regulation that many people like and do very well with.
I donât know why your shoulders or hips are sore but I would take your time and make sure as much as possible that your testing for PPP is as close a reflection of your actual sleeping experience as possible. I would be cautious about buying a mattress if you suspect that it is somehow related to your soreness until youâve ruled out the possibility to your satisfaction.
We can only do our mattress shopping together on the weekends so we are still on the hunt.
Our local family owned furniture store has brought in elements of a latex bed for us. The base is 8"firm Dunlop. The comfort layer is 2" of 100% Talalay and it would be completed with a 4.5 lb. organic wool layer and organic cover. All of the latex is certified organic GOLS and USDA, manufactured by CocoLatex in India. Interesting that the certification says âvalid until October 2013â .looks like it the latex was manufactured in July of 2012. The bed would be made by Renelle mattresses.
The comfort layer supposedly has an ILD of 25. I find it just a wee bit too firm while it would be good for my husband. Holds us both straight with no immediately obvious pressure points. The mattress is $2100. Would include delivery and removal of our old mattress. No comfort warrantee.
It needs to be a bit cushier for me, I think. Would it be better to increase the thickness of the talalay or decrease the ILD? Does it sound like a good value for the quality? Iâm thinking its a bit on the high side. Are you familiar with CocoLatex? Does it matter that the foam is already almost a year and a half old?
This would likely be a 6" layer and a 2" layer (latex molds are generally about 6" thick) but it really wouldnât matter because your testing is more important than the specs of the mattress as long as you know the specifics of the material.
Again I would focus more on your own experience than on the specs so you donât take on the challenge of trying to design your own mattress based on specs. I would tell the retailer or manufacturer that you wanted something softer and more pressure relieving and then let your body decide whether the softer alternative worked better for you. The âhowâ behind why it was softer would be less important but having said that I would probably tend to go with a lower ILD although this would also depend on the specifics of the other layers and on your body type and sleeping positions. When you are testing mattresses locally then your own actual testing and experience is always the most important thing to focus on and the specs are secondary (and likely to do more to confuse than help).
The value of a mattress depends on what else is available to you, what you are comparing it to, and your own personal value equation, (value is relative to each person, area, and situation in other words because a mattress isnât a commodity which is sold by the pound). It would also depend on the size of the mattress you are purchasing and on whether itâs a set or a mattress only but if itâs a queen or larger then from a materials perspective it certainly seems reasonable to me.
Yes ⌠they make high quality Dunlop latex and they are one of the latex manufacturers that has GOLS certified organic latex (see post #6 here and post #2 here). Their US website is Latex Global.
It was taking too long for our local company to get in the mattress we were interested in, so we ended up buying an âUltraplushâ mattress from mattresses.net
They were kind enough to send the Talalay 3" topper in advance. That helped with some pain relief for me. We have several concerns after receiving the rest of the mattress but Iâll address those another time. The real problem for us is the mattress cover.
The comfort level is mostly okay while sleeping on the Talalay latex. Firm for my husband, medium for my side with the 3 inch topper and a SnugSleep premium wool overlay we purchased separately while waiting for everything to arrive⌠However, when we put the mattress cover on, it completely affects the firmness and feel of the mattress. One night on it was unbearably painful for me, and although Iâm assured it will âsoftenâ and stretch out over time, my body canât handle that. It is a âbambooâ cover that has Jamoma wool in it as a fire barrier ( and is sewn up âtightlyâ) which I guess is a fire regulation in the US but not here in Canada from what I understand. The owner wants to have a simple cotton cover made which wonât affect the comfort, but I am concerned it wonât protect the mattress either from moisture or dust and if we keep it, we want this mattress to last.
Using a wool quilted cover vs a thinner stretch knit cover has some âtradeoffsâ and some people prefer one and some the other. It can slightly reduce the ability of softer latex to contour to your body but it also provides some temperature regulating benefits, a little bit less resilient sleeping surface by âdampingâ the resilience of the latex, and as you mentioned it can also be used as a fire retardant barrier in the mattress.
The additional snugsleep topper will compound the effect as well and can further reduce the contouring effect of the latex but provide more of the benefits of a wool sleeping surface.
Itâs also true that the cover will loosen once it is broken in.
It may be worthwhile unzipping the mattress cover to see if this has an effect as well.
Do you mean the owner of Mattresses.net?. A stretch knit cotton cover will allow the latex to contour more but you would also lose the benefits of sleeping on the wool (outside of your snugsleep topper of course). If the cover is thick enough to be suitable for use with a mattress and protects the latex from light and ozone (which are the main âenemiesâ of latex) then it will be fine and your mattress protector (or snugsleep topper if you decide to use it as a mattress protector) will protect the mattress from moisture and from the skin particles that dust mites feed on.
If you want additional protection from dust mites because of more severe allergies then you can also use a thin mattress encasement but latex is already more dust mite resistant than other types of material (see post #2 here).
Thatâs good advice to try and unzip the cover. That should loosen it up. Will give that a try tonight and maybe leave off the SnugSleep for tonight and see how it goes. For me, if I had realized that the comfort of this bed would be so greatly affected by the construction of the mattress cover, I thought the Jamoma wool would add another layer of softness but I was wrong. I wouldnât have ordered it in retrospect. My body just requires the gentlest cushioning.
Iâm trying to find out more about the proposed replacement cover but the holidays have been getting in the way. All I heard was that it would be a simple cotton cover with a zipper.
Sleepclean.ca offers 100% ORGANIC COTTON LINENS AND BEDDING
ANTI-ALLERGY BEDDING COVERS which looks like top quality, well-made, good warrantee. That could be an option too with the SnugSleep topper. What do you think?
Do you think itâs concerning at all that one part of the mattress arrived dirty, obviously dropped on the ground and the two sides of the mattress have an uneven length? The cut is off by an inch and a half. I was told just to clean off the dirt with soap and water and there was no response to the unevenness issue. I want to like this mattress but I donât want to wonder about the quality either even though I know they have good reviews. Maybe that kind of thing happens more often though and itâs not a big deal because consumers donât usually see the inside of the mattress?
[quote]Sleepclean.ca offers 100% ORGANIC COTTON LINENS AND BEDDING
ANTI-ALLERGY BEDDING COVERS which looks like top quality, well-made, good warrantee. That could be an option too with the SnugSleep topper. What do you think?[/quote]
They appear to be good quality to me and with a pore size of 4 microns would be an effective anti dust mite or bed bug encasement that would be more breathable and likely cooler than a membrane type encasement but this is not made to be a mattress cover ⌠just a mattress encasement/protector to protect against dust mites and bed bugs. You could certainly use it in combination with the snugsleep but it wouldnât replace a mattress cover.
How I felt about the stain would depend on the specifics, which component was stained (Iâm assuming you mean the cover?), and on how I felt about keeping it vs returning it. If it is enough to affect you then I would certainly talk to them about it and then use your âbest judgementâ about your best course of action (keeping it vs exchanging it for another cover). If itâs the latex that is discolored then itâs normal for latex to have areas of discoloration when it is manufactured (which isnât a stain) and this wouldnât be an issue for me.
The difference in length is almost certainly because of how the mattress was placed into the cover because latex is very âstretchyâ and can appear to be longer or shorter depending on how the mattress was assembled and placed inside the cover. Itâs usually a matter of âwavingâ it into position so that both sides are even. Itâs not uncommon at all for one side of a split latex core to appear to be longer or shorter than the other at first even though they were the same length when they were manufactured.
All the latex they use in their mattresses are high quality so there is certainly no need to wonder about the quality of your components although I would certainly talk to them if you have any concerns until they are resolved to your satisfaction.
It was one of the rolled up sections of the support layer of the mattress that was dirty, not the cover. It was definite dirt, not a stain.
What would be an example of a mattress cover that is âthick enough to be suitable for use with a mattress and protects the latex from light and ozoneâ? But would also not affect the comfort of the latex?
This is where dealing with a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer becomes important and rather than trying to research and learn about all the specs of each type of fabric and still not have a definitive answer I would just follow the recommendations of the manufacturer you are dealing with who will know from their own experience which materials are suitable for latex.