Hey gang! I am back after a long time (joined in 2014 and forgot what my username was…) I am still rocking my T&N 10 from when T&N first released it and it’s showing some age but that is not what I am here for. I am here to finally get a nice frame… I’ve been searching a long time and wanted a tatamiroom frame back when I first bought my 10 but on a publishing salary, a $600 bedframe was out of the question.
I am aware of the platform bed links and the whole thread discussion related to it.
I wanted to know if anyone here as experience (long term, more than 2 years) with the tatamiroom beds since they only offer a 1 year warranty.
I have my eyes on these two models:
The Tatamiroom Wakayama in king (if I ever decide to upgrade my bed to a king, I won’t need to change my bedframe). Wakayama Platform Bed - Natural Finish - tatamiroom.com
OR their Zen in the queen/king Zen Platform Bed - Honey Oak - tatamiroom.com ← I am apprensive about this one because don’t those legs look tiny for a bedframe? If the front and back panels were flat all along the length I wouldn’t question it but the decision to have just small nubs for feet on what looks like a thinner piece of wood compared to bed leg/post is questionable to me.
The Thuma I only know of because of their Apple like marketing techniques but my understanding is it’s an American company jumping on the Japanese home decor bandwagon and catering to a Western audience that is concerned with eco friendly, offgasing, etc.
Great that your T&N is still going strong, undisclosed! It’s nice to hear a sleep story with a “Happy Ending” and perhaps when you have time another day, you could drop us a line and tell TMU subscribers about your thoughts on life with your Tuft & Needle 10 mattress.
While you are waiting for consumer response to your question ( I am not personally familiar with Tatami Room products), lets take a construction peek at your candidates.
The king Wakayama Platform Bed construction uses solid hardwood/ Parawood featuring a center support with two center support legs and 14 wooden slats positioned less than 2" apart. One detail that you may want to research is whether anyone has experienced “creaking” or “squeaking” sounds that sometimes wood-to-wood contacts on the bed can produce with movement. The construction overall appears sound; however, a couple of caveats post-purchase to consider: from Tatimi Room’s site, the return policy is a full refund 30 days within receipt of shipment, less shipping and handling fees, so if you’re fairly confident you won’t be returning the platform bed, this shouldn’t be a deal breaker. I couldn’t find any mention of a product warranty, so for a purchase with this size price tag, you would want to contact Tatimi and ask what (if any, you mention knowledge of a year warranty) future recourse would you have should you encounter problems and get those details in writing for your records.
I was somewhat underwhelmed by the product information/ lack thereof for the Zen Platform bed. The “nubs” for feet appear to be a cutaway design element of both the headboard and footboard and not a separate thinner piece of wood. It would be helpful to see the same type assembly diagram that the Wakayama Platform bed’s description included to verify all of the construction specs. From the product images, the Zen appears to have only one center support leg vs. the Wakayama’s two; that may or may not be a concern, depending on the overall weight the platform would be supporting. I couldn’t verify weight capacity’s for either of the Tatami platform beds from their site.
The Thuma platform bed seems an interesting option. It incorporates Japanese-influenced design and uses a variety of upcycled and repurposed construction materials. I watched the set up video from their site, and that they use no tools, a simple process, and one-person management looks appealing. A low profile design incorporating 9" of storage space underneath is a nice touch too. Their rounded corner leg design is thoughtful as some consumers have mentioned toe/ shin stubs with some of the squared off legs. The slats are spaced a little less than 3" apart, making it suitable for your T&N 10. The platform bed is constructed of “repurposed” rubberwood, the slats are reinforced with eco-fi felt for sound reduction and the bed specs say it has a +1,500 lb. weight capacity. Thurma offers a 100 night risk free trial and while they state “The Bed and The Nightstand are built to last and backed with a lifetime warranty,” no warranty details are listed on their site, so again, you would want to seek verification and written details for your records prior to purchase.
Any of these 3 platform beds should be suitable for your 10" T&N mattress. I always like to remind consumers when shopping for a new foundation to review their mattress warranty as each manufacturer will state what foundations will best provide optimal performance for the life of their product. From Tuft & Needle’s warranty page: Please note that “normal wear” assumes and requires that your mattress is continuously supported by a proper foundation sufficient to support the distributed weight of your body and the mattress itself. If you have questions about whether the foundation you are using or intend to use is adequate, please contact [email protected]. Hope this helps with your research and perhaps some consumers will stop by and share their experiences with you soon .
I reached out to Thuma and asked about the slats-they said they were made of “double-strength” plywood. I really like the design of this bed but with a heavy latex mattress, will plywood be supportive enough or will there be sagging?
Good job on the check-in with Thuma! Thanks for sharing the slats’ construction, as their site doesn’t mention that double-strength plywood is part of The Bed’s repurposed rubberwood components. From Thuma’s product assembly videothe slat composition appears sturdy; however, with no personal experience of The Bed, this would be speculation. What did Thuma say regarding use of a king size all-latex mattress on their platform? The Thuma site states that The Bed supports +1500 lbs. of weight, but whether the slats have a softer, flex feel to them or not would be different from a sagging/ lack of support issue. They do offer a 100 day return policy and while I’m not an advocate of “experimenting and returning”, this would provide a remedy in the event of actual failure of the platform bed’s ability to correctly support your mattress. Hope this helps… .
I read a negative review about slats falling out of frame, and I assume this can only happen if they are bending under weight of matress and occupants.
I don’t know if this sort of thing happens with hardwood slats but not willing to take a chance on plywood since our layered mattress is a pain to take apart and put together.
Lol, “strong”; that’s quite a measurable, quantitative statement:side!
[quote]I read a negative review about slats falling out of frame, and I assume this can only happen if they are bending under weight of matress and occupants.
I don’t know if this sort of thing happens with hardwood slats but not willing to take a chance on plywood since our layered mattress is a pain to take apart and put together.[/quote]
It’s best to go with your gut in some cases, especially if you know that dealing with the layered mattress itself is going to be difficult. You shouldn’t have problems with a quality hardwood slatted platform as long as the slats are sturdy and of appropriate thickness/ spacing for your king all-latex mattress. How is your research going? Any new developments?
Update: I went with the Thuma frame based on the long warranty and the 100 day sleep trial, and the allegedly low VOC/ water based treatments used. The Tatami frame uses more toxic treatment for the wood as I know another visitor of this forum learned from them but when I contacted them they never got back to me about my question of what kind of VOCs I can expect to offgas and that was a turnoff. Who knows if Thuma really is as eco-friendly as they claim - it could be marketing just like when corporate farmers slap the organic logo onto their food. :side:
For my previous lousy Amazon purchased bedframe I had a friend make extra slats to make up for wide spacing and found that I didn’t need those spare slats for this frame. Their slats are probably of lower quality than the ones my friend made - his were much smoother while some of the Thuma slats are definitely rough/not sanded smooth. BUT the Thuma slats are thicker which confirms their ‘double plywood’ approach as my friend’s slats looked the same from a side view (if you looked at where the wood is cut and can see the layers) but his were thinner.
I imagine the revew stating the slats fall out of the frame meant there was a LOT of bending going on because the slats have at least two inches(ish? I didn’t measure for precision) of wood to rest on the frame on both sides. I’d be curious to know how much weight that frame was taking (although Thuma does claim up to 1500lbs of weight, right?) I think we’d need to know more about the reviewer’s circumstances as to how this happened and how much weight the frame was taking and any other activities… I didn’t see any reviews like that on my end when I was sleuthing to learn more.
I have slept on the Thuma frame for about 1.5 months now and so far I am satisfied. It is a great fit for my Tuft & Needle queen size “the Ten”. Does anyone know how much that weighs? And my partner and I are a combined weight of about 330lbs.
Assembling it was easy and fun, which further adds to the appeal of the Thuma frame for an apt dweller like myself. My only wish is the stupid headboard were ATTACHED to the frame rather than resting on a wall.
In terms of my T&F Ten holding up, I have had it for 6 or 7 years now and it’s definitely broken in - where I sleep is softer (but not saggy) but given that I like a nice firm sleep, I do slide myself to the middle of the bed when my partner gets up for work so I can enjoy the firm, unbroken in center of the bed. I suppose this means I’ll be on the market for a new bed in the next 3 years or so and I wonder what kind of bed I’ll be thinking about purchasing. Something firm of course
Congrats on your new Thuma frame ! Their model (known as The Bed) is Greenguard certified, and according to theirFAQs:
“For a Greenguard certification, our VOC levels needed to be ≤ 0.25 mg/m³. We tested at 0.008 mg/m³, which is 30 plus times under the VOC level criteria. We feel really good about these numbers and know it makes a real difference in the world and for customers. The Bed means less indoor pollution, cleaner air, and a better environment for you.”
Their mission and marketing does reflect their desire to be “mindful of our environmental impact every step of the way,” and being eco-friendly seems to support that credo. They are a fairly young company (founded in 2016), and it will be interesting to hear consumers’ opinions over time regarding their experiences with The Bed and how eco-friendly they find it to be.
Good to hear that you find their slats to be substantial as you had mentioned before concerns about the use of a “double plywood” approach.
Absolutely agree, undisclosed; it would be far more helpful if the reviewer had included more details of total weight supported, the type and size mattress used, any other activities involved, etc. Hopefully, you will update the forum periodically on your Thuma journey so other consumers can learn from your experiences .
Good to hear that you like the pairing of your T&N Original 10 and The Bed platform so far! I chatted with T&N regarding weight info and found that the compressed shipping weight of a queen size is 72 lbs. and it supports up to 1,000 lbs. of combined weight.
Thuma’s Japanese joinery, combined with its’ minimalist/ functional design, does seem an attractive platform bed choice for apartment dwellers. I’m with you on that a free-standing headboard isn’t necessarily an optimal choice for everyone but likely is more desirable for The Bed’s overall minimalist functionality.
Thanks again for the thoughtful and thorough review of both your new Thuma and teenage T&N 10, undisclosed. Hopefully, you’ll get another 3+ years from your T&N 10 but in the meantime, you can always check in with TMU while researching your future firm mattress purchase… .
I quite like the Thuma frame, though it is not currently available in Canada. I do find that it is similar to the Canadian-made Quagga Rustic bed: https://www.quaggadesigns.com/products/rustic. Curious if anyone has experience with Quagga beds for latex mattresses?
Thanks!
C
Welcome to TMU’s formum ! Nice to have you here and thanks for your question.
Thanks for providing the reference link, C. There are similarities between Quagga’s Rustic model and Thuma’s The Bed platform frame. One difference I noticed straight away is in the amount of weight each frame supports. According to Thuma’s FAQs, The Bed has a max weight capacity of 1,500 lbs. Quagga’s site provides a .pdf assembly instructions downloadwhich gives maximum weight capacity by frame size. In the case of the queen Rustic slatted platform, max weight capacity is 581 lbs. The king size takes up to 629 lbs. of weight. A king size all-latex mattress could easily weigh over 200 lbs. by comparison, so just something to think about. Otherwise, it is made of natural Birch plywood, slat spacing is 2.75", and there is a center support included featuring two legs. I have no personal experience with either model and would also be interested in learning of others’ experience as well. Let us know what you find out cfmaacdon and good luck with your research .
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