i’m searching a new mattress (35X74)and i take a look at the Technogel system. I read the forum and the most infos are that system is good but too expensive and there is not a lof of gel in the mattress. I’m now located in Europa and models (names) are not the same as here in the US. They have 2 models :
For the dimension i search, i know it’s a very small Mattress ;), the price’s are between 1400USD to 1800USD. It’s better than a Tempur sensation deluxe (2100USD) for example .
When i compare with other premium brands avaiilable here like Bicoflex, Superba or Roviva, the price of Technogel models same to be in the same range as other high end models with visco or latex. Is there enough gel in those mattresses or is that just marketing ?
I will find a dealer to try this Aqua Technogel model but what do you think about it ? Price still too high ? Quality of the foam ? I’m really not a mattress specialist. I just want to be happy for the next 15 years. I’m 40, no pain until now and i want that stay the same in the futture that why i search quality and innovation.
The only way to make meaningful comparisons between mattresses is by knowing all the specifics of the materials and components in two mattresses and brand comparisons are mostly meaningless. I don’t see the specifics of the layers in the links you provided and I don’t know the details of the specific mattresses you are comparing it to so I can’t make any meaningful comments about any of them.
There would probably be a fairly thin layer of gel material on top (which is the most costly material in the mattress) and the rest of the mattress is polyfoam which is less costly material than good quality memory foam and especially good quality latex so I wouldn’t put it in the same range as a mattress that used more costly materials in terms of value.
I think that most latex manufacturers would strongly dispute the statistics they include in their static fatigue comparisons which appear to be very misleading to me (latex doesn’t lose firmness or height to nearly the degree they indicate). If you look at the latexco site here and click on durability or on the Latex International site here you will get a better picture of latex durability.
I’m not familiar with pricing in Europe and I have no knowledge of the market there (and I would need the specifics of each mattress you are comparing as well) but your own personal value equation is the best way to compare the relative “value” of a mattress purchase (the “value” of a mattress purchase would depend on all the objective, subjective, and intangible benefits and criteria that are most important to you).
I’m guessing the specs would probably be similar to the specs in post #2 here and you can see some of my general thoughts about the Technogel mattresses in post #2 here.
Pure gel materials are generally more effective at conducting heat than gel infused foams that only contain a percentage of gel so in terms of cooling and thermal conduction it would likely be effective although ventilation and moisture wicking is the most important factor in controlling temperature (you can read more about the factors involved in temperature regulation in post #2 here). I doubt that this would be a hot sleeping mattress.
I just found now that in every country Technogel Mattresses are different … In France they have one with Springs …
No easy to get a good idea …
So if i understand you right, the (thin swiss) Gel is ok but the (swiss) EvoPoreHRC foam is just foam …
I’m sorry that i can’t give you a better link with full specification … Maybe the dealer has a specification sheet … I will see… and scan it if i find one …
They have one with springs on their main site which is available in North America as well (you can see the specshere).
The materials would probably be similar in different countries.
Yes … the gel is a high quality, durable, and somewhat unique material. The EvoporeHRC is most likely “high performance polyurethane foam” which means that it uses a different chemical formulation than conventional foam to produce higher resilience, a higher compression modulus (gets firmer faster with deeper compression), and in general would have more elasticity and a better response than conventional foam. They have some of the properties of latex. The highest “grade” of high performance polyfoam is HR (high resilience) foam which is a high performance foam that is at least 2.5 lbs density, has a compression modulus of 2.4 or higher, and has a ball rebound resiliency rating of 60% or higher. Even with high performance foams though … density is still the single biggest factor in their durability. You can read a little more about evoporeHRC at the website of the company that makes it here but it is a high performance polyurethane that has a proprietary name (many foam manufacturers use proprietary names for their foams rather than generic names or grades to differentiate themselves for marketing reasons).
I still don’t have a spec. sheet but i know now that the heigt of the swiss foam is 17cm (6.7 inch) and the technogel is 5cm (2 inch) for a total height of 24cm (9.4 inch). In the Aqua model the gel is on the whole surface so also for the foots. I’m waiting infos about the density …
So no spec. sheet for the swiss Aqua Technogel mattresses but i’ve got the density : 50 kg/m3. I hope this info is correct … It’s a 7 zones mattress with 10 years warranty (prorata temporis start the 2nd year). I understand now that the gel make minimum the 50% of the price of this mattress. So the question is can this gel, with a “standard” (good) foam, make an high end mattress like a Tempura for example ? I’m not an heavy person (158 lb) and i don’t have any back pain and i don’t want to get back pain. I will have the possibility to compare the Technogel Aqua with some Visco Tempura mattress next week (in the same shop) but i don’t know if it’s a good start for a comparison …
This is 3.1lb / cu. ft. and if this is one of the polyfoam layers then it’s a good quality material. I would want to know the details of all the layers though (the layer thickness and density of each layer from top to bottom).
That would really depend on the specifics of each layer and perhaps most importantly on how well it matches your needs and preferences in terms of PPP. I wouldn’t consider either of them to be particularly good value from a materials point of view and all manufacturers (including Tempurpedic) have mattresses that use lower and higher quality materials. The brand doesn’t determine the quality of a mattress … only the construction and the materials inside it.
Before buying any mattress I would make sure that there are no potential weak links or lower quality or less durable materials in the mattress that can affect it’s useable life relative to your body type and the only way to do this is by making sure that you know the details of every layer in a mattress. Price alone doesn’t determine a high end mattress and there are many very costly mattresses that are anything but high quality or good value.
If you can list all the details of a mattress that you are considering I’d be happy to make more specific comments about the quality of any of the materials which may help you make better comparisons but without this you would be making a blind purchase.
Unfortunately the PDF doesn’t include the specs of the materials.
I have a similar PDF which has similar generic information (although it’s in English) but also lists the specific layers and density information of some of their mattresses that are sold in North America so hopefully they will have this available there as well.
This one is no more on the swiss technogel web site but still sell … I have attached the PDF i found … This one is 300USD cheaper than the Aqua model and it’s 23 cm height.
I really don’t know the diffence between Evopore and Visco … If they stop the model there is maybe a good reason …
EvoPure is polyfoam which is a more resilient fast response material that is not temperature sensitive and visco memory foam is a slow response, low resilience, temperature sensitive material. Polyfoam and memory foam come in different density ranges.
Some comments about the density specs they mention on the site you linked …
40 kg / M3 is 2.5 lbs / cu ft which is low quality/density memory foam.
50 kg / m3 is 3.1 lbs / cu ft which is also low quality/density.
60 kg / m3 is 3.75 lb / cu ft which is just below the lower end of medium quality/density.
The most durable memory foams start at about 5 lbs / cu ft which is about 80 kg / m3
I would suggest avoiding anything less than about 4 lbs or so in a mattress unless it is only around an inch or so or less of lower quality/density materials or unless you are in very low budget ranges or the mattress is for more temporary use where durability is much less of an issue.
Now i got some news but not about the Aqua model, it’s about the “classic” model that same to be one made in the same time as the Visco one. This one is with Evopore but not HRC. They give me a PDF where you can see all layers … I don’t know why they didn’t give me that for the Aqua model …
So what do you think ? Good value for the money ? The importer say to me a big yes … Can i count with 15 years (minimum) of tranquility with this mattress ?
1 last question would you also buy a Technogel Pillow ? I ask you the question because the gel is all over the Mattress so also for the head.
If these specs are correct it would certainly be a very durable mattress although it’s not possible to put a specific number of years on a mattress because the useful life of a mattress is relative to each person and the affect that foam softening will have on their comfort and alignment (see post #4 here and the posts it links to)
I have no knowledge of the European market in terms of pricing so in terms of cost or material value I really don’t know but if the mattress is a good match for your personal value equation and compares well to other mattresses that would be similar in terms of PPP and durability then it would certainly be worth serious consideration.
I forgot 1 thing … Can you negociate the price of a Technogel Mattresses ? Or maybe have a free Technogel Pillow ? What do you think, 10% + a Pillow is that possible ?
I don’t know what the Technogel pricing policies are but it certainly wouldn’t hurt to ask ("what’s the best you can do?) or make an offer. It would help to have another mattress as a reference point that also used high quality materials (such as latex) that is a lower price that you can use as a reference point but the Technogel is somewhat unique so there wouldn’t really be any apples to apples comparisons.
I’m back from my Technogel trip and guess what … I’m the new owner of a Technogel 7cm Contour Pillow … The Technogel Aqua (firm) Mattress will be on the road to my home by the end of next week. No negociation at all … :blink: I’ve got the Pillow for free and the delivery cost. That something like 15-20% discount … I’m happy … I will let you know when i tested for 1-2 nights the mattress.
Thanks one more time for your precious help and have a nice sunday !!!
Sometimes the “bonuses” that a retailer provides with a mattress is another version of a “discount” that is the best they can do if the mattress has controlled pricing (and many specialty mattresses do).
I’m looking forward to your feedback when you’ve received it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.
that why i search quality and innovation.