Tempur Cloud Luxe - other comparable?

Hello,
I have a rare collagen disorder called Ehlers Danlos syndrome, which causes spontaneous joint dislocations, even during sleep. Because it affects all the collagen in my body (organs, skin, muscles, tendons, etc) the best way I can describe mattress testing is that I have “princess and the pea” syndrome. Meaning, I’m ultra sensitive to a firm, semi-firm, medium-firm, medium, medium-soft, soft, and very soft mattress. Ultra soft----the absolute softest, is the only thing that feels good.

That being said, I went on a mattress hunt. Blindly testing, I neither looked at prices, labels or description, and did not allow the sales force to follow around with information. I simply lay down on the mattresses, test rode them, and immediately knew yes or no. In the end, only one mattress was comfortable, the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe. However, it’s way out of my price range.

Does anyone know of a mattress comparable to this? I’m very hesitant after reading the articles, actually even more confused, and don’t know how to begin to go about this. Any and all help is very much appreciated!

Thank you in advance

Hi bendybody,

[quote]That being said, I went on a mattress hunt. Blindly testing, I neither looked at prices, labels or description, and did not allow the sales force to follow around with information. I simply lay down on the mattresses, test rode them, and immediately knew yes or no. In the end, only one mattress was comfortable, the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe. However, it’s way out of my price range.

Does anyone know of a mattress comparable to this? I’m very hesitant after reading the articles, actually even more confused, and don’t know how to begin to go about this. Any and all help is very much appreciated![/quote]

There is more about the different ways that one mattress can “match” or “approximate” another one in post #9 here. Any mattress that uses the same or better quality/density materials would be very similar in terms of durability but this will have little to do with how the mattress feels.

I would also keep in mind that there are no “standard” definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that is firm for one can feel like “medium” for someone else or even “soft” for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type and weight, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they “rate” a mattress as well (see post #15 here).

The tutorial post includes a link to a list of some of the better online memory foam manufacturers/retailers that I’m aware of as well (in the optional online step) and many of them make memory foam mattresses that are designed to approximate many of the Tempurpedic mattresses either in terms of firmness and feel or in terms of the quality/durability of the materials (or both) that are in much lower budget ranges than the Tempurpedic mattresses that are equivalent to theirs. I would keep in mind though that while they may be “close approximations” … they won’t be an “exact match” in terms of how they feel because if two mattresses don’t use the exactly same materials and the same design then they can have some differences between them that some people may notice more than others. Most online memory foam manufacturers or retailers will be familiar with the Tempurpedic lineup and would be able to tell you which of their memory foam mattresses would be the closest approximation to any of the Tempurpedic models and some of them also include a specific Tempurpedic mattress in their description (including the Cloud Luxe in some cases) that would be the closest approximation to their mattress.

There may also be other memory foam mattresses available locally that also are close approximations to the Tempurpedic line as well either in terms of their firmness and how they feel or the quality of their materials (or both) but you would need to test them in person to compare how they feel and you would need to know the type and quality/density of the materials inside them to know how they would compare in terms of durability (see this article). If you let me know your city or zip code I’d be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I’m aware of in your area.

When you are considering an online mattress that you can’t test or compare in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help “talk you through” the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best “match” for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked that they are familiar with, and the “averages” of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about “matching” their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences or to other mattresses that they are familiar with (such as the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe) than anyone else (including me). If you are purchasing an online mattress then the options you have after a purchase to return or exchange the mattress would also become a much more important part of the “value” of your purchase.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you’ve read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best “match” for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for (or that doesn’t feel as close to another mattress as you hoped it would) that are involved in each of them and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability, durability, and value.

Phoenix

SelectFoam has the Supreme ES under $3000 which is half of the price of a Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe. Angel Beds used to be a similar competitor in the quality/price point market with Tempurpedic until it went out of business a few years ago. Tempurpedic is a luxury mattress marque and while it has excellent quality mattresses to justify the price it charges, I don’t think its a good value since other brands offer comparable mattresses at far more reasonable prices. Of course, only you can decide if the fit/feel of the competition is comparable to what Tempurpedic offers and meets your needs not only in regards to your budget but to your personal comfort as well.

Hello Phoenix and Norman F,

Thanks so much for your replies! I carefully read the links. Firstly, I’ll try speaking with the mattress company Norman suggested, and describe my special needs, as they are many, and try to determine if this is the one for me.

Secondly, Phoenix, my zip code is 17257. It’s somewhat rural Pennsylvania. I’m glad you posted the link pertaining to blood flow as this is one of my problems. Additionally, I’m small framed, 140 pounds, 5’7" (bony , not good muscle tone). I sleep on all sides, and in very strange contortionist positions. What I currently sleep on is an inner spring individually wrapped coil with pillow top and it feels so aggressive. Wherever my body touches the bed, those body parts go completely numb. Then I’ll move, but the proprioreception is off, so dislocation is inevitable. There is no “cradling” effect, as mentioned in the articles. I just am on it as though on a floor. That’s how most mattresses feel to me.

I had researched types of mattresses the top EDS specialists recommend, and they are the Tempurpedic type and Sleep Number type. I did sleep on a friend’s Sleep Number and found it very uncomfortable. My insurance approved the Flex-a-Bed, however I spoke with the representative and she said that their beds would be far too aggressive because of my weight: I wouldn’t get pressure relief because I wouldn’t sink in. I should also mention I had an invacare 5510 frame with the Solace pressure relief mattress and that was literally, the worst sleep of my life!

I hope the additional info helps? Yours did, so thanks again.

Well, it looks like I’m going to be saving up for a while. The Select Foam Cirrus Luxe rep said while it’s comparable, it’s a tad bit firmer. He recommended I go with the Tempurpedic or have one custom made, which they can do. They’d have a 4 pound base with 4" memory foam top, a total of 10", for $1199. So far I’ve got $600 saved up.

Oh gosh these are so expensive!

You can also take a look at Ultimate Dreams 13-Inch Gel Memory Foam Mattress from Dreamfoam. They compare it to the Cloud Lux although their representatives are probably better able to answer how closely it compares. It’s significantly less expensive although that might be at the expense of some materials. I think they have a 10% off coupon on their page as well.

http://dreamfoambedding.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=57

Hi bendybody,

The better options or possibilities I’m aware of that are within reasonable driving distance (subject to the quality/value guidelines I linked at the end of my last reply) are in post #2 here for the Harrisburg area and in post #2 here for the Waynesboro / Hagerstown areas.

I would be very cautious about these types of generic recommendations because they are probably much more familiar with EDS than they are with mattresses and it’s very unlikely that they would have a great deal of knowledge about the many different types of materials and mattress designs that are available in the industry that may or may not be suitable for you. There are a wide range of memory foam mattresses with different firmness levels some of which may be suitable for you and some of which would be completely unsuitable for you to sleep on. The same would be true about other materials and types of mattresses as well. Memory foam is certainly not the only soft material available in the industry and which material or type of mattress is best for you would be much more of a preference choice than a “better/worse” choice. The specific design of a mattress and how well it matches your specific needs and preferences is always more important than the specific materials that are inside it.

There is more about the pros and cons of memory foam in this article and more about the pros and cons of airbeds in this article.

As I mentioned in my previous reply the first “rule” I would always keep in mind is that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress so when you are dealing with complex medical issues that can have a significant effect on which mattress is best for you then your own personal testing or actual sleeping experience will be the only reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP and the options you have after a purchase (just in case your choice doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for) will be a more important part of the “value” of a mattress purchase.

Based on forum feedback and on Dreamfoam’s comments as well the Ultimate Dreams 13" gel memory foam mattress is also a close comparison to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe but perhaps just a little firmer as well although as I mentioned in my last reply softness and firmness is very subjective and relative to the body type, sleeping style, and individual perceptions of each person and a mattress that feels “soft” or that feels very similar to another mattress for one person may not feel the same or compare as closely for someone else because each person’s experience on the same mattress can be very different from someone else.

Phoenix

They’re entry level luxury mattress territory and are a good deal more affordable than Tempurpedic. You don’t have to pay an arm and a leg for a high quality mattress and when you consider the cost over 15 years, that averages to a $1 a day for a good night’s sleep! Hardly expensive, when you spend a third of your life asleep.