Any density of polyfoam can be made in a wide range of firmness levels or ILD/IFD’s so a lower density foam could be anywhere between ultra soft or ultra firm and a higher density polyfoam can be in the same range. This is part of the chemical formulation of a foam which can create stiffer cells or softer cells. Density can play some role in firmness in some cases because higher density foams tend to have a higher compression modulus which means they get firmer faster as you compress them more deeply than higher density foams (so they can also be more “supportive”) but this isn’t always the case either because once again it depends on the chemical formulation of the foam. There is also more in post #4 here about the different specs that can interact together and affect how soft or firm a foam feels. Their old foam layers were about 2 lbs yes.
Fire retardant foams are not particularly common in mattresses which most often use barrier systems to pass the fire regulations. They are much more common in furniture.
Yes … heavier people would be more likely to experience this. There is more about the effect of thickness in post #14 here.
Yes … if you let them know you are a member here then you would be entitled to the 6.5% discount that they provide to the forum members here (unless there is a sale that is larger than the discount) and the trial period would also be extended to 60 days.
Thank you Phoenix for making this more clear to me.
And thank you for clearing this up for me- I was under the impression that most polyfoam in mattresses had flame retardant chemicals like couches do. The “organic” mattress industry sure leads us to believe this, and make a big deal about their latex foams not containing chemical flame retardants, and the wool/cotton covering being the fire barrier. I am comfortable with T&N’s use of rayon/silca as a fire barrier, unlike some of the websites online would lead consumers to believe this is dangerous…
I received the 5 inch Queen last week (pre-updated model).
I’ve had good nights of sleep, but I have woken up with a severely sore neck and back 2 or 3 times.
I am now trying to decide whether to simply add a mattress topper or possibly try their updated version.
It would be nice if some company offered a trial period for a mattress topper as well (without having to pay return shipping fees that nearly equal the cost of the topper).
Not sure what to do, but at least I have a few more weeks for the T&N trial.
Despite the soreness, sleep quality has been above average compared to my recent IKEA mattress. I also love the Spartan-ness of having a 5" mattress.
Rocketship- Someone else in this long thread mentioned trying a different pillow if your neck hurts. I very much agree. I mostly sleep on the guest futon these days, but if I move into the firmer master bedroom bed, I have to change pillows (for me, on the firmer surface I need a firmer pillow that keeps my neck up higher, on the softer futon, I can use my squishy old pillow that isn’t as stuffed). If it’s your upper back/neck that hurts, a pillow can make a big difference, and it might not be the mattress at all.
Did you confirm with T&N that this was their older mattress version? I wrote back and asked when they switched over to the new mattress, and the answer was November 17/18, and they had sold all the old versions before starting to ship the new ones.
I’ll be ordering a Ten later this week to replace our horrible mattress. If we like it, we may order a Five for the guest room!
Edited to add: if you tell T&N that you are a mattress underground member, you can request an extended trial period of 60 days.
There is more about the initial break in and adjustment period for any new mattress and some additional suggestions that may be helpful in post #2 here
There is also more about the most common symptoms that people may experience on a mattress and some of the more common reasons for them in post #2 here. I also agree with sheep123 that head and neck issues are often related to the pillow you are using because if you are sinking in more or less to a new mattress compared to the mattress you are used to sleeping on you will often need a new pillow that is either thicker or thinner as well.
[quote]I am now trying to decide whether to simply add a mattress topper or possibly try their updated version.
It would be nice if some company offered a trial period for a mattress topper as well (without having to pay return shipping fees that nearly equal the cost of the topper).[/quote]
There can be some uncertainty and trial and error involved in choosing a topper that is a good match for both you and the mattress you are using because of all the many variables involved but if you do decide to try a topper then post #2 here and the additional topper guidelines it links to can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point or pointer to choose the type, thickness, and firmness of a topper that has the best chance of success. It also includes a link to the better online topper sources I’m aware of and a list of suppliers that have a good return or exchange policy.
I’d decided about a year ao that my next mattress would be Tuft and Needle and now that I’m moving to a new place it;s time to finally order one. And now I see that the price has increased by $100 for the 10" queen. Ah well, my last mattress was that much and not especially good, so I;m looking forward to joining the family
Yes … they changed the design in mid November and are now using more costly materials than they were previously. You can read a little more about the different design in this topic.
Congratulations on your new mattress
I’m looking forward to your feedback when you receive it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.
Going to give ordering the Ten a shot tomorrow, nice to see that I didn’t imagine the price increase. Although as I’d originally thought I needed a queen when measurments show we’ve only got a full my expected costs haven’t changed. Guess I should really find myself a new foundation too while waiting for the mattress to ship, currently there’s a box spring of unknown age but I’m comfortable saying it’s old enough to drink
I’m looking forward to your feedback once you’ve received it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.
The foundation post here has more information about support systems that would be suitable for different types of mattresses and some sources for each of them.
After to many hours researching and reading on the computer, I was leaning heavily towards buying a Casper this weekend, even though it’s a bit more than I would like to spend. Now that I see here (great site, btw) that Tuft & Needle have revised their mattress, I think I will hold off. Looking forward to seeing what you all think of your new beds!
There are certainly many great quality/value options that are available to the members here in every price range that can sometimes make it very difficult to decide on which of many good options would be best for you.
I would keep in mind that one person’s experience on a mattress can be very different from someone else so using someone else’s experience as a guideline for how you may feel on a mattress can sometimes be very misleading (see post #13 here about mattress reviews) but having said that … I’m also looking forward to some of the feedback about their new design.
I’m also looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding.
I will be ordering a Tuft & Needle mattress in the next few days and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread so far. I have found all of the information to be very helpful.
I’ve been thinking about getting this mattress for the last few months and to see the new change in materials makes me a little anxious. I did read in to the other thread with more details and I hope it ends up being just as good as the old version. I’m very much a fan of firm mattresses so I also hope it hasn’t become too much softer but improved pressure relief definitely sounds good!
I’m pretty sure I’ll be going with a 5" queen and I’ll report back with my experience!
You will be among the first on the forum to try the 5" version with their new design so I’m looking forward to your feedback when you receive it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.
Checking back in after having the 10" queen for just over 2 weeks. (I confirmed that we have the new design T&N mattress)
For the price, it’s a perfect replacement for our 2 year old daughter’s mattress, which i also have to spend a couple hours on each night putting her to bed and back to bed. So definitely going to keep this mattress!
We’re also looking for a replacement for our king mattress (boxspring style) as well. We’ve had our current king mattress for just over a year, and the springs are already noticably “lumpy” on 225# husband’s side. I think having the T&N has convinced us that we have to change to a platform base for firmness and stability, but the T&N new design is a bit too soft for my husband and i, although the firmness is almost to our liking (i’m also just learning to separate firmness from softness).We like really firm mattresses! So after hearing about the recent T&N design change, i’m really curious whether the original design would have been perfect for us.
Husband’s first half night on the T&N - he liked it. 2nd half night, not so much… (he only gets a few hours at a time when the toddler comes to our bed in mid of night and kicks him out - otherwise she refuses to let dad lay down on HER new bed)
Any suggestions for price-comparable options which are firmer and less cushion-top than the new design of T&N?
Thanks for the update and feedback … I appreciate it
I’m not sure which mattress you have but most of the mattresses sold today come with a foundation that has little to no flex (similar to a platform bed) rather than an actual box spring with springs that compress. Actual box springs are very uncommon outside of some of the smaller manufacturers that still make them for their specific mattresses that do better with a box spring than with a foundation. In most cases … the cause of the “lumpiness” that you are feeling would be lower quality foams in your comfort layers or in some cases a mattress that doesn’t use a good quality insulator pad over innersprings that need them to prevent the padding over the springs from sinking into the springs.
The tutorial post includes a link to several lists of the better online options I’m aware of and there are many good options available to you.
There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved and firmness is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual sensitivity for anyone to to be able to suggest any specific mattress that will feel firm to you or will be a good match for you in terms of PPP based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).
When you can’t test a mattress in person to assess how firm it feels for you then the best source of guidance will always be a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced online retailer or manufacturer who will know more about their own mattresses and the firmness options they have available than anyone else (especially if they haven’t slept on the mattress in person).
Post #4 here along with posts #3 and #4 here include some of the better lower budget online options I’m aware of if you are in a lower budget range.
Any in-depth inspections of what this new T&F mattress is composed of? I see that they’re using 3.5lbs density foam now for the top layer. I remember before it used to be around 1.8?
