Hi; thanks for all your diary thoughts, and thanks to Phoenix for hosting/commenting so prolifically here. I gave the T&N an order today; hope it’s great for me! Thanks again!
I’m almost a month in on sleeping on my 10", and I still wake up very rarely during sleep. Mostly sleep like someone clubbed me – I wake up in the exact position in which I went to sleep, which can be an issue if I happened to fall asleep lying on my arm, etc. :blink: I can also wake up sore sometimes, but I think this is a result of exhaustion-flatout sleep more than the mattress. This still isn’t a controlled experiment while I continue to work myself silly on home improvement projects, but I’m sure I’ll have a better overall idea by the time I hit the end of my sleep trial. All in all, still very very happy with my purchase :woohoo:
Hi linj,
Congratulations on your new mattress 
I also hope you have the chance to share your comments and feedback when you receive it and have had the chance to try it out.
Phoenix
Hi sleepymolar,
Thanks for taking the time to share another update … I appreciate it.
It’s good to hear that your mattress is working out well for you
Phoenix
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Hi Calpyro,
Thanks for taking the time to share your initial impressions and feedback and for the pictures as well … I appreciate it :).
As you know there will be a break in and adjustment period with any new mattress that can affect how it feels for both of you (see post #3 here) so I’m also looking forward to any further updates you have the chance to share once you’ve had the chance to sleep on it for a few weeks.
Phoenix
This site has definitely helped in my quest for a new mattress. Going to give this one a try and will try to update after a while.
Hi Heebs,
Congratulations on your new mattress
I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback when you receive it and have had the chance to sleep on it as well.
Phoenix
I’ve been lurking for awhile.
Just pulled the trigger on a Tuft and Needle queen.
Thanks for all the information in this thread!
Hi tele1968,
Like the other members in this topic that have purchased it I think you are making a great quality/value choice … and congratulations on your new mattress
I’m also looking forward to any feedback you have the chance to share when you’ve received it and tried it out for a bit.
Phoenix
Hey guys! Thanks for all the informative updates - it’s been really helpful so far.
I’ve narrowed down my search to this tuft & needle queen and the ultimate dreams latex mattress - I am wondering if you guys can give me some pointers on how to decide between the two as I can’t exactly try them out.
Also, what sort of foundation have you guys bought for this mattress?
Also , are you guys ordering off of amazon or directly from their website to get faster shipping / discounts?
Thanks in advance!
I don’t have any pointers about the ultimate dreams latex mattress, but as far as the foundation and ordering:
I am using a Queen IKEA MALM low bed frame with Luroy slatted base (there is also the Lonset base, but I read that it takes hours to put together, so I opted for the easier build 
). I live-chatted with a rep at Tuft & Needle to verify that the mattress would be okay with this particular frame and base. I like the idea of the slatted base to allow for airflow under the mattress, even though it’s very low to the ground:
As for ordering, I went with Tuft & Needle directly primarily for the longer sleep trial period, but the Mattress Underground discount didn’t hurt, either :woohoo:
Hope this helps!
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Hi moopad,
There is more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).
Both mattresses have a similar support core (1.8 lb polyfoam) so your choice would really come down to whether you would prefer the “feel” of the high performance polyfoam in the Tuft & Needle (see posts #2 and #6 here) or you prefer the more resilient “feel” of the latex in the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams. Since this is strictly a preference choice your own local experience would be the only way to know which type of materials you tend to prefer and some people may prefer one and some people may prefer the other.
Other considerations outside of any differences in price may be that you have the option to choose a firmness level in the Ultimate Dreams Latex while there is only a single firmness level with the Tuft & Needle and that the Tuft & Needle has a 100 day return policy with free returns while the Ultimate Dreams latex has a 45 day return policy and returns cost $99.
I would also keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and different people can have very different opinions about the type of mattresses they prefer so I would also be very cautious about about using other people’s experiences or reviews on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable a mattress may be for you and in many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (see post #13 here).
You are certainly looking at two good quality/value options and once you are confident that both of them would be a good match for you in terms of PPP (or you have good options after a purchase if you aren’t) and that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in any of them in terms of durability (which there aren’t) then you would be down to finalists that are comparing “good to good”. If there are no clear winners between them at this point (which is usually a good indication that you have done some good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely make a good quality/value choice and (post #2 here) can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations with each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, their prices, your preferences, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on “informed best judgement” based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you. Sometimes the final choice may even come down to a matter of “gut feel” or “educated best judgement”.
The TMU discount for Tuft & Needle and their 100 day return policy only applies to mattresses that are purchased directly from the Tuft & Needle site.
The TMU pillow bonus only applies to mattresses that are either purchased from Amazon and are fulfilled by Dreamfoam (not fulfilled by Amazon) and their 45 day return policy only applies to mattresses that are purchased from the Dreamfoam site. Purchases from the Dreamfoam site also have an additional 10% discount as well.
There is more about different types of support systems that are generally most suitable for different types of mattresses in post #1 here and any of the options there (or other similar options) would be suitable for either mattress although support systems that have a larger load bearing surface area and less “gaps” for the mattress to sink into over time would generally be better over the longer term but are also more costly.
Some of the information in this topic which discusses foundations/bedframes for another mattress would also be relevant to either of the mattresses you are considering and may also be helpful as well.
Phoenix
Does anyone have any thoughts about the durability of the T&N 10 mattress and whether it will last 10+ years? Do foam mattresses in general last as long as coil? What is the average life of a foam mattress for comparison?
What about some of the comments regarding the edges on a T&N 10 king collapsing compared to the edges on a coil mattress. Do others see this as an issue?
Keith
Hi kawkaw2,
There is no way to quantify how long any mattress will last or predict exactly when you will decide to replace it because it is no longer suitable or comfortable for you (because this is the only real measure of durability that counts) because there are too many unknowns and variables involved that are unique to each person but if a mattress is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and isn’t close to the edge of being too soft when it is new (which is unlikely with the Tuft & Needle) and meets the minimum quality/durability specs that are suggested in the guidelines here then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with materials that are higher quality and more durable than the minimum guidelines (in the top comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or even longer.
There is also more detailed information about all the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #4 here and the posts it links to but since the Tuft & Needle meets all the minimum guidelines and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the design … as long as you aren’t in an unusually heavy weight range (mid 200’s or higher) then it would be very reasonable to expect that it would maintain it’s comfort and support for most people for 7 - 10 years and in some cases longer.
There is more information about edge support with foam mattresses in post #33 here but it certainly wouldn’t be an issue for most people unless you often sleep or sit with most of your weight concentrated on the very outside edge of the mattress although the outside edges of a foam mattress would generally be softer than an innerspring mattress that has a specific edge support system.
The only way to know for certain whether the edges of the mattress will be suitable for your specific body type and sleeping style will be to actually sleep on it just in case you are one of the few (generally in higher weight ranges) that needs or prefers a firmer edge but they also have a great return policy so if for some reason you aren’t happy with the edges of your mattress (either for sitting or sleeping) or for any other reason then there is no cost involved in returning it.
Phoenix
Great thread! I’ve been looking for a mattress for my new bedroom and have decided to order the T&N full size mattress since it fits my budget and the reviews seem great.
Any recommendation for mattress protector for this mattress?
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Hi nichehole,
Congratulations on your new mattress
You certainly made a great quality/value choice and I’m looking forward to finding out how you like it once you’ve received it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.
There is more about the pros and cons of different types of mattress protectors and some examples of each of them in post #89 here that should be helpful. The most common choice would probably be one of the “thin membrane” types of protectors because they are mostly waterproof and have little effect on the feel and contouring of the mattress.
Phoenix