What makes a mattress "hot" - ?

Hi, I recently replaced a 20 year old mattress with a new “Charles Rogers” St.Charles with the pillow-top - It’s been maybe a little over a month but i swear that it is as if it generates heat - and I find myself uncomfortable with that - (esp. since I can’t return it). Advice I’d gotten was that mainly it is latex ones that can get ‘warm’ or retain body heat - but this is inner coil/spring… COuld it be the “pillow top”; ?

I also did put my old allergy cover over this mattress - which was a pretty tight fit but figured it would eventually loosen up - i’m wondering if that is maybe so tight that it is flattening out the pillow top - could that have anything to do with heat ?? It does feel as if there’s not as much ‘bounce’ or ‘give’ with the pillow top as i would’ve expected and am thinking maybe it’s this cover just smashing it down…
and i do find myself having trouble getting comfortable with two or even just one soft pillow- have been winding up sleeping on my side instead of back- which i never had to do before.

Any thoughts - or suggestions on how to remedy the situation much appreciated !

Thanks,
Mike

Hi mikes425,

While it’s not always possible to to track down temperature regulation issues for any particular person on a specific mattress because there are so many variables involved (including your room temperature and humidity, your bedding and bedclothes, and where you are in the “oven to iceberg” range) and some people can sleep warmer on mattresses that most people are generally fine with … there is more about tracking down a potential cause or causes for temperature regulation issues (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) in post #2 here and the posts it links to that may be helpful.

Softer foam materials that allow you to sink into the mattress more deeply along with some types of mattress protectors or encasements (especially the ones that have a semi breathable waterproof membrane) can both affect sleeping temperature … especially for those that are more towards the oven end of the “oven to iceberg” range.

A tight mattress protector or encasement that creates a “drum effect” can also affect the feel of the mattress underneath it.

The deeper support layers of a mattress (such as an innerspring) generally have less effect on the sleeping microclimate and temperature regulation than the layers and materials that are closer to your skin.

Most back sleepers also tend to need and prefer slightly firmer mattresses than side sleepers (who generally need softer comfort layers to relieve pressure points than other sleeping positions).

Phoenix

Thanks for this helpful info Phoenix! I think i will try removing the cover and seeing if that changes anything. I will say though, if what I (think) I’m experiencing heat-wise is anything like what a natural/latex ‘topper’ would be like, i don’t think i’d be happy with it - even tho i had planned on adding one (and replacing my old frame & box spring with a lower profile platform bed for this mattress).

Thanks again,

MIke

Hi mikes425,

Your mattress contains polyfoam which is a completely different type of foam from latex. In very general terms … latex is the most breathable and “temperature neutral” of the three types of foam materials (memory foam tends to be the warmest followed by polyfoam followed by latex foam) but sleeping directly on any softer foam material can be warmer than a mattress or topper that uses a cover that is quilted with natural fiber such as wool.

The mattress protector and the type of sheets and bedding that you use can also have a significant effect on sleeping temperature regardless of the type of foam in the mattress and fabrics made with natural or semi synthetic fibers that can absorb moisture (such as cotton, linen, or rayon/viscose types of fabrics) will generally be more temperature regulating than synthetic fabrics.

Phoenix

I greatly appreciate this fantastic resource. I bought a Charles Rogers St.Charles mattress in 2015.
I have never been fully comfortable on this mattress and find it “sleeps hot” for me- with many restless nights and my back is always getting too hot - (I am a back sleeper) after an hour or so attempting to fall asleep - and I’m waking up and flipping around trying to find a comfortable position. Recently have been waking up experiencing intense itching, despite very hygenic bedding and surroundings .
The frustration is, i find the pillow-topper - which i didn’t know it had til I got it) seems to retain heat - at least for me. A certain ‘bed blogger’ I asked about this. suggested trying a 2" talalay topper for cooling -
I never followed through but I want to find a solution now.
The main issue i see with the topper is that this mattress is already very high and i can’t see how any conventional sheet set would fit over it with an additional 2" 'topper. I feel like i’d need a small ladder to get in/out of the bed.
I welcome any thoughts and advice.
Thanks!
Mike

Hi mikes425.

Nice to have you back our Mattress Forum! :slight_smile: I changed your post back to an earlier thread you started in 2015 for continuing our discussion.

Heat issues can add up especially with softer pillowtop or thick memory foam upper layers because you will sink into the mattress more and the thicker layers of foam can be more insulating than a firmer mattress that you don’t sink into as deeply but there are also other reasons that some people may sleep hot on some mattresses.

In very general terms … the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to your skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin and softer mattresses or foam toppers will tend to be more “insulating” and for some people can sleep warmer than firmer versions of the same material.

I guess some of us are slower than others :wink: … it seems that you’ve “lived” with this frustration for quite a while now before making a new attempt to wrestle and solve it. Our discussion and input from 2015 still stands. I understand that a 14.5" mattress height + metal frame height is also an issue, but as I stated in my previous postings, before looking into the height issue I would make sure that the topper/mattress combination is suitable for your needs and preferences as I am always a bit cautious about adding a topper … unless you know for sure that you need a bit more plushness and also unless you changed your sleeping position from back to side in the last three years, you would probably still need something firm enough to keep you in correct alignment.

A topper can be a good solution for a mattress that is too firm and that just needs some additional softness and pressure relief (as long as it doesn’t have any soft spots or sagging in the sleeping surface) but I would be cautious about using a topper to try and “fix” temperature regulation issues because if a mattress is already a good match for you in terms of PPP then a topper can add too much additional softness and you could end up exchanging a temperature regulation issue for a back ache that is the result of sleeping on a mattress that is too soft. If some of the suggestions in the previous link (such as choosing a different mattress protector or different sheets etc) aren’t enough to solve any temperature regulation issues you are experiencing then I would consider a thinner mattress pad or topper made from natural fibers such as wool that can help maintain a more neutral sleeping temperature and have the least possible effect on the overall comfort and support of the mattress.

Generally, 2" of Talalay latex is more breathable than polyfoam and less “insulating” so over the course of the night it will sleep cooler than other types of foam materials. The overall sleeping temperature of a mattress also depends on the other layers and materials that are in the upper layers including the foam, or natural fibers in the comfort layers, the quilting in the mattress, the type of mattress cover material, the type of mattress protector used, any toppers used, the sheets, and the bedding, bedclothes which all have a combined effect on sleeping temperature and the ability to either store or disperse moisture and heat. There is more about tracking down a potential cause (or causes) and solutions for temperature regulation issues (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) in post #2 here and the posts it links to that may be helpful.

The mattress protector you have along with your sheets and other bedding and what you wear when you sleep will also have a significant effect on temperature regulation because they can either add to the insulating effect or to the ventilating and moisture wicking effect of your mattress. You can see more about the effect of different mattress protectors in post #89 here. Bedding made from natural fibers or viscose materials (like bamboo) will also tend to be cooler than synthetic fibers and linen sheets along with silk are probably the coolest of all the natural fibers for those where sleeping temperature is a main priority. There is more about sheets and bedding in post #7 here . In many cases changing the mattress protector, sheets, or bedding to cooler versions can make “enough” of a difference for many people who would otherwise sleep hot on a mattress.

All of this, of course, is separate from any environmental conditions in the bedroom (temperature and humidity levels with higher humidity adding to the perception of heat), on the physiology and tendency of the person themselves to sleep warmer or cooler and where they are in the “oven to iceberg” range, and on their weight and body type which will affect how deeply they sink into the foam layers of the mattress.

Lower humidity levels continuously allow more water vapor (and the heat it contains) to disperse into the air or be stored inside natural fibers (which in turn release them into the air more gradually) and away from the body so this type of cooling lasts throughout the night. This is the reason that wool is a great temperature regulator because it traps air which is an insulator when it is too cold but also allows humid air and moisture to be transported away from the body or stores moisture inside the fiber which keeps it away from the skin and keeps the cooling cycle going (which is why it is used in both cold and hot climates).

If temperature issues can be solved by adding a 2" Talalay topper and alignment and comfort checks out well then you are left only with the height issue and you could consider replacing your metal frame with a low profile 5" foundation (Charles P Rogers sells also a low “5” foundation that would work well with your mattress.) There is also more information about the types of support systems that are generally most suitable for different types of mattresses in post #1 here and it includes some links to some examples of each of them as well.

In other words … it’s always a combination of several interacting factors that determine the sleeping temperature of a mattress in combination with a specific person and environment and these issues are not easy to track down. You would need to think this through a bit as it relates to your specific circumstance.

Good luck with tracking it down and keep us posted on your progress

Phoenix

Wow, I must not be getting good sleep, to have completely forgotten about my 2015 post and correspondence with you; )!

Great info and will check further into this as time allows - I will say - in response to your 2015 reply… I wound up removing the protective allergy cover I’d been using - and apparently that did not help resolve the heat issue. I’m intrigued by the toppers suggestions you’ve offered - especially as a relatively low cost solution - and yes a lot of variables to consider to be sure.

BTW, One thing I’ve noticed lately is that when I wake up, I have indentations in my skin that correspond with those of the Pillow Top, for what that info is worth… both on my back or on my side. Not sure if that helps reveal anything but seems to me it means I’m sinking in to the pillow top deeply - and leads me to think that is where the heat retention is. It also makes me think if anything this surface is too soft - while I’d expected this mattress to be firm.

So in that respect, I’m starting to wonder if a topper will only soften it more.
Just kind of thinking out loud here…
Thanks again!

Hi mikes425.

You are correct …a topper will add to the comfort layers that are already part of the mattress…you seem to be on the right track with your observations…too much sinking in, softness, and serious temperature regulation issues. If the condition or design of the mattress itself is part of the problem and has either significant impressions or soft spots under certain areas of the body or if the comfort layers of the mattress are already too thick and soft … then a topper will only follow the dips and soft spots or will be even thicker and softer and will provide only partial or temporary benefits at best and in some cases can lead to even worse problems with alignment.

It seems that you’ve got a bit of legwork to do. … when time permits :}
Phoenix