who makes 100 percent natural dunlop mattress with thailand sourced dunlop

well I found someone who makes dunlop mattress
But after very bad experience from previous buyer, I am leery.
this is what they told me;
will make a 10" latex mattress with a quilted cover made out organic cotton and wool filler
said they have a 8" latex mattress with 2 inch soft upper layer and 6 inch medium-firm layer
and they will add a third layer of a 2" firm density on the bottom of it to make 10" latex mattress.

now is 2 inch soft layer on 6 inch medium-firm layer over 2 inch firm latex suitable for me as a 100 percent side sleeper? I only like soft feeling mattress with pressure relief and spinal alignment.

they are asking for my credit card information.

should I ask for densities or ILDS ranges or both of his soft, medium-firm, firm dunlop latex and can you tell me whether that falls into soft, medium-firm, firm feel of the dunlop latex?

how thick should my soft layer be as i prefer a soft mattress but with support
how thick the medium-firm and firm layer be?

i wonder for a 11 inch latex mattress - what configuration/density latex be best for each layer of latex and how thick each layer should be then?

Hi Richardb,

You are asking me to make decisions for you that only you can make. I have no idea of the reputation or integrity of the manufacturer you are talking about or even who they are so you will need to trust your own judgement on this. Hopefully it is not the same one that we talked about preciously in your PM’s and you have learned not to deal with people you have serious doubts about. You will also need to decide whether you trust what they are telling you. If you have doubts about the person you are working with … I would work with someone else.

The design of a mattress is based on the materials and components they have available and there is no formula that can choose the specific layering or design of a mattress out of all the thousands of possibilities available in the market that has any certainty of matching a specific individual’s needs and preferences. There are just too many variables involved to do this. There is lot of information about the theory behind layering and mattresses section of the site so you can work with a manufacturer or retailer more effectively but you will need to work with the manufacturer themselves to decide on the specific layering of a mattress that they can make that would suit you best. This way they can help you choose from the options they have available instead of a near infinite number of options that are possible in theory. Each manufacturer may have different materials available or make different suggestions that they believe would suit you best and use different combinations of materials to get to a similar result.

You have asked my opinions on many occasions and I advised you against certain directions and in spite of this you decided to go ahead and deal with some very shady characters anyway and then nothing you were hoping to do worked out. I also don’t design mattresses for people … only help them eliminate their worst choices and then connect them people who do.

My best suggestion is to work with a reputable manufacturer or retailer that you trust … either locally or online … and then talk to them to decide on which of their options they and you together believe would be most suitable for you. If you do this with several good retailers or manufacturers you will have final choices between “good and good” and then all you have to do is choose between them.

You are asking questions that I just can’t answer because the answers are yours to decide. I can help you decide “how” to choose but not “what” to choose.

Phoenix

Thank you Phoenix. I send you PM 2 days ago. If you could please read it and reply I will be very grateful.

As for the company that sells to costco I should have listened to you. I trusted them just like costco does. But they turned out to be liars and tried to cheat me.

Hi richardb,

I did receive your PM but as I’ve mentioned to you previously and as you can see in my reply in post #2 here … private messages and emails are usually my last priority (unless they are of a more private nature and not suitable for the forum) and I only get to them when all my other higher priorities are done including replying to forum posts and other priorities that are connected to running and building the website.

In most cases where people PM or email me privately … my reply is a “standard” message (which you can see in the linked post) asking them if they wouldn’t mind posting their question on the forum.

There is nothing in your PM that wouldn’t be appropriate for posting in the forum so I would prefer that you re-posted it here … although I should also tell you that I don’t believe I can help you with what you are asking both because I wouldn’t have the time to do private research for individual forum members that may only be applicable to them and because what you are asking is a matter for you to decide based on your own best judgement. On numerous occasions I have already given you the criteria I would use to decide whether I would pursue the various options and directions you are going (and have already gone) and asking the same questions in different ways or versions in private communications won’t change the substance of my answers to you.

The generic version of my reply is that if you can’t find out the information you need from the people you are dealing with or if you are not comfortable in dealing with them for any reason … I would pass them by

Phoenix

Well I read that you have called mattress makers for other posters so I thought you would kindly do the same for me. That is why I requested you.

Hi richardb,

I have made many calls that were “triggered” by various posts on the forum but they are to find out more general information that would be helpful to a large number of people in the same area or in a similar situation.

The information you were asking me to find out is much more detailed and specific, would require much more time than I have, and would have very limited value to the forum community at large. It’s also information that you could find out with a phone call for yourself if it’s important for you to know … even though I don’t believe the information itself would lead to a practical solution for what you are looking to do. Tracking down specific materials where the specs of the mattress you are trying to duplicate are suspect in the first place and where you may not even be able to find the exact “duplicate” materials made by the same company in exactly the same density and ILD may not even be possible in practical terms.

Phoenix

Phoenix, I am only trying to find if this is a legit company. Since you are experienced in these matters and mattresses, and I am not, your help would have been of great value to me. Thanks Phoenix.

Hi richardb,

As I mentioned to you in our PM’s … I didn’t find any information about them in a quick google search and I have no knowledge of them.

they may be “legit” in the sense that they are an actual company but I haven’t talked with them and don’t know any details about the people behind them or their ethics, integrity, or business practices.

Here’s what I can tell you. Latex Systems is a legitimate manufacturer of Dunlop latex foam based in Thailand and they make good quality products.

Crismore International appears to be legitimately importing their latex cores into the US based on import records. They also appear to be importing mattress covers from Germany.

To me the people make the company and I would go with your own instincts and the experiences you have when you are dealing with them. Just because they appear to be legitimate doesn’t mean they are good at dealing with customer inquiries … especially when it appears they are wholesales and not retailers. If you have any doubts about them that aren’t satisfied by the information they give you, especially if you are dealing with them from a distance, I personally would hesitate and be very cautious before buying anything from them. this is not because they are 'bad" … but because the confidence they inspire in you is the most important thing.

I would make your decision about whether or not to do business with them based on your own personal experiences with them.

I personally would tend towards dealing with companies that are more used to dealing with consumers on an individual basis.

Phoenix

Thanks Phoenix. The Mattress factory in ft worth has no soft dunlop latex. I asked the owner and he says he does not even have a 19 ILD dunlop and does not plan on getting any soft latex.
Are there any stores or mattress makers that carry soft/softest dunlop latex in dallas-ft worth? I have been to Savvyrest here and they have no soft dunlop either.

Hi Richardb,

I don’t know the specifics of what each manufacturer or retailer carries. I would suggest calling each of them to see what they have available and how they define “soft” Dunlop which may be different from each other.

Savvy Rest dealers usually have soft Dunlop although soft Dunlop at one merchant may be different from soft Dunlop at another. I believe that Savvy Rest targets “soft” Dunlop as being anything in between 22 and 30 and all of these would feel softer than “soft” Talalay.

Phoenix

first of all 22-30 is not soft. second my whole question was who do I call?

Hi richardb,

Soft is what someone believes is soft. Each person can be very different with what they perceive as soft.

This is what Savvy Rest calls soft. It’s probably in the lower end of the range but Dunlop especially is never a specific ILD anyway.

There is a list of manufacturers and retailers for the Dallas area you could try in post #4 here.

It would be easier to find soft latex in Talalay.

There are also some online options in post #4 here.

Phoenix

Phoenix