Winkbeds

I ordered a queen bed directly from the Winkbed website. Prior to that I had emailed Winkbeds and received prompt replies to my questions. I also called them and Doug answered all my questions and concerns and without any hard sales talk. I very much appreciated that. I read all available reviews online, and re-read them. Especially the Amazon reviewsā€“some seemed contrived but who knows. I shopped and tested for a month in the stores and was very disheartened with prices, scams, lies and of course the mattress naming scams which prevent proper comparison shopping. The most attractive thing about this Winkbed is that I felt like there was nothing to lose if I tried it and didnā€™t like it. But there just arenā€™t many good reviews out there that adequately describe it so I will attempt to do so here, with a my background comparison following.
Customer service great. Pilot delivery stellar but I tracked it and called first when it was in Vegas. That wasnā€™t really necessary since another person called me directly an hour later to set up delivery, not knowing I had already scheduled it. I coordinated a 1 hour notification for the 11:00-3:00 delivery window so I would have time to leave work and accept delivery and not have to wait around too much.
Offload was good and friendly. Hard to get up stairs. Unless one has some help, I would recommend pre-purchasing the ā€˜white gloveā€™ service if you have difficult stairs. Itā€™s about an 85 pound mattress but the size makes it hard to negotiate climbing them.
Unpacking was easy, in a giant box, sealed in thick plastic. There is some smell gone by morningish. Not a chemical smell, just smelled new like fresh material from construction. Not surprising to me since they say they make it when you order it, and then bag it. Itā€™s on a good, even clean box spring I have but Iā€™ll have a leggett & Platt adjustable foundation arriving 4 days after the mattress.
First lay down test (like at a store): soft and stable on top which kind of surprised me since some reviewers thought it too firm, or firmer than medium. I thought it comparable to the thick Beautyrest Black models in stores that have cushy surface but good deeper support. I didnā€™t like some of the Blacks I tried because the comfort layer felt too much like memory foam that didnā€™t rebound quick enough even though they had good support. This (Winkbed) foam and the little springs in the comfort layer is springier, or more responsive on the rebound, but not like a trampoline or anything. Doesnā€™t FEEL too firm but I know something is down there to stop the sinking/sunken feeling that a lot of plush mattresses have for me. Softer than I expected based on previous reviews but that was just the comfort layer. I was nervous that it would be too firm for me but it wasnā€™t. No bottoming out. Good support. No sinking or envelopment too far and not like foam or a soft pillow top. I feel the foam and slight springiness (not bounciness) in the top layer and itā€™s good for me.
First impressions using it to sleep: (I took conscious mental notes so I could objectively tell my experience, and typed them in Notepad so I could tell them here as the nights went by)
First night: I have a standard thin polyester mattress pad on it. I have a thin wool one coming next week. Going to bed: Sitting up and reading my butt goes down comfortably without a leftover dent when I turn out the light to lay down for sleep.
Morning. Overslept! (Forgot to set my alarm). No pains or hot spots temp wise or pressure wise. Back is relaxed. Not sure if I shifted. No issues. I like it. I layed/slept near the edge for a time. It didnā€™t feel any different than the middle.

Second night: still comfy. Rolling out of bed is different because previous mattress was hard and there is more softness on this one to roll through when getting out, but not mucky in any way. Sitting on the edge, it is supportive, like a very soft chair. Iā€™m a side sleeper. Softness feels good. Just enough springiness without being bouncy. Feels like my legs are level with the rest of.my body. Woke up briefly to shift positions and asked myself if I felt joint pain, a pressure spot or blood pooling but I know I didnā€™t. I think I just wanted to be on my other side for some reason. Back to sleep no problem and happy for the comfort.

3rd-4th night: no change. As I get used to the mattress I can detect the support underneath the comfort layer. When I wake up in the morning I purposely stay still for a bit to note how it feels after (I assume) laying in one position for a long time. Pressure wise it feels just like when first laying down so thatā€™s a good sign. Then when I get out and stand up and ask myself if anything feels weird. Nope. Feels like I slept. Nothing sore. My back feels fine. (Prior mattresses made the small of my back hurt sometimes while I slept.
5th night: itā€™s now on an adjustable base. Iā€™ve never had one before. I donā€™t think Iā€™ll ever not have one now. They are nice to have. Iā€™m surprised how much the mattress bends. It doesnā€™t creak or anything and the bend looks natural without buckling. The inner folds are wrinkled which is no surprise. If Iā€™m not laying/sitting in the bed it will not all lay flush to the base when bent all the way which also isnā€™t surprising. If Iā€™m in the bed it bends just fine and stays flush. A 15 inch mattress looks funny when itā€™s bent by the way.

I want to like this mattress and I really, honestly and objectively do so far. Itā€™s perfect for me. Itā€™s just a little worrisome that nobody really knows what it will be like in 1, 2, 3, 5, 10 years. Even 5 good years is about 60 cents per day and that is more than acceptable to me as long as it stays close to the condition it is right now. Based on my research, I believe it cannot be any worse in the long term than any other of the much higher-cost mattresses like it out there. In fact I think itā€™s construction and makeup is much better based on what I know is inside of it compared to comparable more expensive mattresses. But I have absolutely no problem calling the company up to say come get it 3 months from now. I hope I donā€™t have to but if I do Iā€™ll just go get a cheapo from Costco and replace it after a couple years.

Cons:
The bottom of the mattress has a very delicate material on it. Not the sturdy material that is on the top. Mine came with a slight (1 inch) tear. No biggie to me. There is thick sturdy foam under (above) the delicate material. For this reason I put an old nylon (yuck) fitted sheet on the adjustable base. Itā€™s slippery for when the mattress slides against the base. Probably overkill.
No other cons to speak of at this point. You may find some of my comments on this mattress a con if itā€™s not what you like.

Well, thatā€™s it for now. So far so good. I hope it stays that way. I have no reason to think otherwise. For me the mattress feels exactly the way I like it, it sleeps well, and functions on the adjustable base just fine. I will be looking out for any denting as months go by. The warranty card looks like most other mattress warranties, except they only warrant it for 2 inch deformation vs. the 1.5 many other brands offer (10 years). But the 101 satisfaction guarantee with no return fees is something that is very rare. I will update the review if things change.

My background: I replaced a 25 year old mattress (used as a spare guest mattress for about 4 of those years) but I had a king expensive one (major manufacturer) that ended up dented and hard on each side after only a few years. I may have been able to replace it under warranty but my back hurt so much from it, I didnā€™t want anything to do with it. My wife at the time then got a sleep number which was OK but felt like a nice air mattress, no real contouring support. She didnā€™t mind it and kept the sleep number. I went back to my old mattress but with a gel foam topper installed off and on. Not bad with the topper but way too sore without it. Old bed was hard with box spring. At least it stayed level and flat. Other than that, I am an airline pilot and so have slept on hundreds of different mattresses. I definitely know what I donā€™t like, and have learned to sleep on the side of the mattress away from the nightstand with the phone on it in hotel rooms (thereā€™s usually a dent on the phone side, since thatā€™s where people usually sleep for some reason).
The new bed is a queen. I sleep alone these days so I use the whole mattress. I think my old crappy king was more susceptible to the denting because my wife (at the time) and I didnā€™t sleep as close together on that one because it was a big king.
I thought I would prefer plush mattresses when I started shopping but no, they were too soft down deep. I liked firm or ā€˜luxury firmā€™ but with a softer top (not pillow tops though, those were too mushy).
Online, I disregarded all-foam mattresses for now because I just havenā€™t tried enough of them to find one I liked. Online ones were confusing to me when shopping for them. I just donā€™t have enough experience to compare them in my mind and like I said I didnā€™t try enough locally to find one I enjoyed, and then replicate online. I have slept on a couple for a few nights but my memory of them was the sand feeling people talk about. They are comfortable to me, I just like the feel of the spring type right now.
I looked at Saatva but they donā€™t work on an adjustable foundation. Plus some reviews questioned their quality control.
Winkbedsā€™ no questions asked return policy seemed risk free, but warranty for a 2 inch dent worried me a little. They are very new so no long term tests are out there. I guess weā€™re all in it together. But it seems like there really isnā€™t any magic bullet when it comes to mattresses. I think many dedicated mattress review sites are a crock. No negative commentary on any of their reviews (video reviews as well), but people have the same type of complaints for all of them despite that it seems, with all-foam winning most consumer reviews. The mattress underground is clearly legit tho, and armed me with enough information to make an informed decision. I was very worried my bed would show up and I would hate it. Iā€™m glad thatā€™s not the case.

Thanks to Phoenix for hosting this website!

Hi Ajblood,

Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with Winkbeds in such detail ā€¦ I appreciate it.

You can see some comments about the quality/durability of the materials in the Winkbeds in post #2 here in the simplified choice topic along with post #2 here. It certainly uses higher quality and more durable materials than the Beautyrest Black mattresses you were testing. It also sounds like itā€™s a good ā€œmatchā€ for you in terms of PPP as well which is great to hear.

Most importantly ā€¦ congratulations on your new mattress :slight_smile:

Phoenix

Thanks Phoenix, I already know its a well thought out and well built mattress. Im hoping to get a report from someone who went from the medium to the soft version. Everyone seems to review the medium which is to be expected.
Don

Hi earlds,

I think you were replying to this post?

The medium is the most popular in the Winkbeds lineup, which is usually the case with most simplified choice products. As with all peopleā€™s opinions/experiences here on the site, Iā€™ll always advise caution in the applicability of one personā€™s experience as a reliable indicator of how someone else will feel or respond on the same mattress, due to the large differences in individual preferences, sleeping styles, BMIs, somatotypes, levels of health, strength, flexibility, preexisting conditions, sensitivities, etc.

Phoenix

Has anyone with high BMI gotten a winkbed yet and can provide info? Iā€™m really interested, but at 40 BMI Iā€™d like specific information about how people of similar weights feel about the mattress.

Thank you!

Hi O_D_O,

[quote]Has anyone with high BMI gotten a winkbed yet and can provide info? Iā€™m really interested, but at 40 BMI Iā€™d like specific information about how people of similar weights feel about the mattress[/quote].

You can see some comments about the quality/durability of the materials in the Winkbeds in post #2 here in the simplified choice topic along with post #2 here. My concern, especially for someone of a higher BMI, would be the 2" of 1.5 polyfoam used in the upper layers. They have recently added a ā€œPlusā€ model for those over 300 pounds, which seems to add some latex and a zoned pocketed innerspring unit, but I donā€™t have complete specifications if they upgrade the polyfoam in this mattress or the amount/type of latex used.

As you may have read on my previous reply to earlds, Iā€™ll always advise caution in the applicability of one personā€™s experience as a reliable indicator of how someone else will feel or respond on the same mattress, due to the large differences in individual preferences, sleeping styles, BMIs, somatotypes, levels of health, strength, flexibility, preexisting conditions, sensitivities, etc.

Phoenix

Thank you for the quick response! Iā€™ll skip the regular Winkbeds model and add calling them about their Plus model to my todo list.

Naturally another personā€™s experience isnā€™t going to be the same as mine. But theyā€™re useful points of data nonetheless.

Hi O_D_O,

Youā€™re welcome. Feel free to post back about any information youā€™re able to acquire about the Plus version of the Winkbeds and Iā€™ll be happy to comment upon it.

While I certainly understand you may consider other peopleā€™s opinions about a mattress ā€œimportant pieces of dataā€, I advise against such a viewpoint, as reviews or other peopleā€™s experiences in general wonā€™t tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or ā€œvalueā€ of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here). You are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone elseā€™s suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar BMI range).

A better suggestion for you to consider would be to start by reading post #3 here that has more information and suggestions about higher BMIs. The key will be finding componentry that will be of appropriate quality for your specific situation, which will then give you the best chance at have a successful comfort life, so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components. Those in a higher BMI range want to be especially prudent in the choice of their components. For those in a higher BMI range, there is more information about selecting a mattress in the durability guidelines here.

Good luck with your research!

Phoenix

Hi,I am in a higher bmi and tried both the medium and soft version of the winkbed.My husband is in the normal bmi range and we found both versions too firm for us.We are both side sleeper and kept waking up with sore hips& shoulders.We gave each version about 30 days before returning.I thought the winkbed felt like a quality mattress.We needed to put two mattress covers on tbe winkbed to not feel the buttons on the top layer.What we really didnā€™t like is no handles on the side of the mattress to help rotate.It is a heavy mattress.Customer service was excellent from pre purchase through the return process

Hi Bestsleep1,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :slight_smile:

Thank you for sharing your experience, and Iā€™m sorry that your Winkbed didnā€™t work out well for you, but Iā€™m glad they were assistive with their customer service for you.

Your comments bring up an important point about how much the variability of oneā€™s personal preferences plays into the selection of a mattress, as for a higher BMI the ā€œsoftā€ version of the Winkbed would ā€œnormallyā€ be considered too plush. But nothing of course replaces your own personal testing.

Sore hips and shoulders can be the result of both a mattress that has ā€œtoo firmā€ of a surface comfort, as well as one that is ā€œtoo plushā€, and post #2 here discusses some of the more common reasons that people experience certain pains/symptoms with different sleep surfaces.

I think youā€™re referring to the circular quilting on the top layer of the mattress, as there are no tufts or ā€œbuttonsā€ on top of the mattress. Itā€™s a little unusual for someone to go to the extent of using two mattress covers (which will impact the overall feel of the mattress) to not feel the quilt pattern of a mattress, so this, along with the soft version of the Winkbed feeling ā€œtoo hardā€ for you, definitely points to a sensitivity to a plush surface comfort, and you may wish to consider items in the future using more point elastic materials in the upper comfort layers (memory foam or latex might be good choices) with a covering that eschews any quilting.

Good luck in your new search, if you havenā€™t already found a new mattress.

Phoenix

I heard back from Winkbeds about their Plus mattress, hereā€™s the response:

"In the WinkBed Plus, weā€™ve upgraded the components of the mattress to a more supportive and more durable design. We use two types of foams, Hypersoft and Latex, both of which are resilient and chosen for their durability qualities. When paired together, they are make for a very supportive, cool-sleeping, and contouring sleep surface. The Latex foam, which is not found on the standard model WinkBeds, adds significant support and durability to the mattress. We use the layer of Latex instead of the micro-coil layer which is found in our standard WinkBed, as it will provide better support and contour to a heavier user. The firmness of the WinkBed Plus is designed feel like a medium-firm, around a 6.5 out of 10, for someone around 300LBS.

The edge supports on the Plus model bed have also been upgraded from the standard model beds.

The Firmer model mattress uses the same pillow top layers as the Luxury Firm bed (instead of the high-density), but also uses the same zoned coil system as the Plus. The Firmer bed is going to feel like a 7 of 7.5 out of 10, with 10 being the most firm. The coil layers are very supportive, while the pillow top provides pressure point relief.

Specs:

  • 6-Layer Hybrid spring/foam construction
  • Cover made from Tencel and strech-nit fabric
  • 1" Hypersoft and gel foam blend 1.5lb density 17 ILD
  • 2.5" C1 Mountain Top Latex which has an IFD/Density spec of 3.0 PCF and 12 IFD
  • 1" Lumbar Pad made from pre-compressed densified cotton.
  • Foam encased, individually wrapped, triple zone coil. A king has 1089 in this layer.
  • 2" Support foam 1.8LB density 28 ILD
  • -High density foam edge support 4.5 inch wide (1.8LB density and 65 ILD)"

Side note: It really bugs me to see manufacturers advertising foam edge support as a good thing. If itā€™s so much sturdier than springs and an edge frame, why not make the whole mattress out of it?

Iā€™m specifically looking for a non-foam mattress because I want non-foam edge support. My current mattress has sturdy edges that feels like some kind of actual steel wire frame and is basically bulletproof. This ā€˜high density foam edge supportā€™ is, pardon my language, b*******. If I wanted a plush edge that was prone to squishing under me, Iā€™d get an actual foam mattress and save the aggravation of trying to find an inexpensive quality innerspring. /rant

Between the price ($200 more) and the foam ā€˜edge supportā€™ even on the Plus model, it looks like Winkbeds is not the answer I was hoping for. This is getting kind of frustrating.

Hi O_D_O,

Thanks for your update. So the biggest difference in moving to the Plus model seems to be the replacement of the microcoils by continuous pour Dunlop (the donā€™t list the blend) and a firming up of the edge reinforcement.

Making an entire mattress out of a 65 ILD polyfoam would be incredibly hard and quite uncomfortable, so you would not commonly find that specific foam used in the comfort layers of a mattress.

The choice of using a foam edge reinforcement versus a spring edge reinforcement is one made by the mattress designers, taking into account the feel they are attempting to achieve and the minimization of roll off (high ILD polyfoam will generally feel ā€œharderā€ on the edge than a pocketed coil reinforcement system), cost, production methodology, familiarity, and shipping methods (pocketed spring units can be easier to roll pack), among other things. Both can perform well.

There are some edge systems using clipped-in springs between a border rod that can be very firm, but manufacturers are constantly walking a line between an edge reinforcement system that prevents roll off (the real reason to have an edge support system) and provides a firmer edge seating surface, and making that system too firm where it become obtrusive when you sleep too close to the edge of the mattress. Too hard of an edge reinforcement system that is made to feel as supportive as a chair will provide a very uncomfortable sleeping surface. Good quality foam edge reinforcement systems can be very durable and comfortable (your opinion notwithstanding), as can ones using coils to the edge.

Phoenix

Ive wondered abouf this myself but I realized, after many hours of reading and video watching that the reason I was able to sit on the edge of my 8 inch Beautyrest pocket coil mattress (metal outside rail) like I did for twenty two years, is that the mattress sat on a box spring so the wood edges of the box spring gave solid support as if sitting on an 8 inch cushion on a chair. You can still get this type of mattress on a box spring. I personally donā€™t want an edge support that I can sit on because my wife and I sleep on a Queen mattress (Winkbeds softer) and I find myself needing the edge of the mattress to give exactly like the center of the mattress cause I need to be able to sleep right on the very edge sometimes . Im pretty sure that you would have a similar problem with a Hastings.
Buying a mattress can be a bit of a hastle for sure. I wish you luck.
Don

Lol! I read your reply after leaving mine, Iā€™m glad we seem to be on the same page. Of corse now Iā€™m laying here carefully compairing the transition from the inside of the mattress to the edge and I can feel the difference, but I find it ti be a very good transition.
Don

Hi earlds,

From the FWIW file: Back in the mid-90s, the Beautyrest line generally used two rows of thicker gauge steel springs along the sides (13 gauge was common), with a border rod along the top and the bottom of those springs (their mattresses were two-sided back then). The springs would have been responsible for the edge feeling a bit firmer, with the border rod mostly adding structural integrity. The foundation was the Power Flex, which was a four-fold torsion modular system that flexed a little bit, but not as much as an actual coil box spring.

Phoenix

Everything Iā€™ve read and experienced says that while foam can be durable, it definitely does not provide the same edge experience as having the mattress actually extend to the edge.

Manufacturers doing that says one of two things to me - either their mattress isnā€™t that great and couldnā€™t provide good edge support so they fall back on foam, or their mattress is that great but foam is cheaper and theyā€™re getting away with as much foam as they can. Either one is a valid business decision, but itā€™s extremely offputting.

Thatā€™s all sort of beside the point though. Due to the details of my sleeping situation, I sleep on the edge of the mattress often. If I was willing to sleep on solid hard foam, Iā€™d order that and be done with it.

To me, the whole point of an innerspring mattress is that I can sleep right up to the edge and still get the support I paid for without the edge really buckling under me, as has happened on every foam and foam-edge mattress Iā€™ve tried. Not bothering to put the actual mattress innards all the way to the edge of the mattress makes Winkbeds worthless to me.

Thanks for describing the system I should be looking for. Do you have any mattress suggestions that currently use a border rod system?

Hi O_D_O,

This all depends upon the quality of the edge reinforcement system. Just because a system uses springs doesnā€™t make it durable, and just because a system uses foam doesnā€™t make it inadequate. Itā€™s not an either/or situation.

While I appreciate your opinion, it isnā€™t an accurate one, for the reasons (but not limited to) that I listed in my previous reply in this thread.

The very fact that springs are carried out to the edge of a mattress does not guarantee a firm edge system. In fact, there are many, with and without a border rod, that have very poor roll off characteristics. Youā€™d generally need to accompany this with some sort of extra edge reinforcement componentry.

While I understand that this is not a system that you prefer, for most individuals it does provide a very adequate system for the minimization of roll off.

Iā€™m sorry, but that unfortunately would be beyond the scope and point of this forum, as attempting to maintain a listing of all of the innerspring componentry of the products listed within the threads here on the forum, as well as the thousands upon thousands of ever-changing offerings elsewhere, would be too large of a task for one individual to maintain.

Additionally, the use of a border rod does not make a firm edge reinforcement system by itself. Youā€™d generally have to accompany this with various spring inserts, hard foam inserts into the springs themselves, or firmer or specialized springs along the edge (as examples of systems not using foam encasement). It is also becoming more popular for brands to eschew border rods to help allow their products to bend and be usable upon power foundations.

Phoenix

I am literally laying on the very edge of my winkbeds softter mattress at this very moment and I can tell you this (and I weigh 178, you have to know how much a person weighs in theses discussions) and I can just sense that Iā€™m on the very edge because it seems just a tad firmer than the rest of the mattress. This is what I want, because i need for the edge to conform to my body the same as the rest of the mattress and this mattress does this. I could still sit on the side of the bed if i wanted, but after doing way more reseach on mattress building than is reasonable for someone not in the mattress business to do, I have come to realize that the old folks were right in saying that a bed is for sleeping, not sitting, lol. Although my wife and I do sit up and read before bed every night.
Like i said before my 95 beautyrest had metal frame work around it, but it mashed down more than my winkbeds.
That said, if I could spend eight grand on a bed I might try a Vispring. But I think the edge support would still match the rest of the mattress.
I wonder if all this edge support talk came about when companies started stuffing pieces of polyfoam in a bag and calling them a mattress.
Just tried the edge again, still excellent.
Don

Thank you for the welcome Phoenix.I have used the info on your site many times and found it very informative .the winkbed does in fact have what I would call tufted buttoms that my husband and I could feel while laying on our sides.

both of us felt very little difference between the medium and softer version of the winkbeds.We moved on to a luma sleep hybrid that we gave about 60 days with the medium topper and a week on the soft.I thought the medium was comfortable but my husband was waking with lower back pain and hip pain.He is the one with the average BMI.We just returned the luma(excellent customer service) .We ordered a 9 inch medium mattress from sleeponlatex .We also ordered a medium 3 inch topper.We thought the mattress alone offered great support but both thought we could use just a touch of sink so we tried the mattress with the topper last night.The topper made the mattress so firm I had to go sleep on our guest bed(cheap zinus).We will go back to just the mattress tonight and see how it goes.Sleeponlatex has had very responsive customer service.They shipped out the same day
our mattress search has led us to feel we need a Dunlop latex base with a softer top layer for comfortable side sleeping.This whole process requires lots of research a d trial and error

Hi earlds,

Thanks for your feedback.

And edge reinforcement systems, in various configurations, have been around for decades. Some people prefer the feel of certain types (foam, springs), and others prefer different levels of firmness (minimizing roll off to feeling like a chair). Mattress companies use various methods to achieve an extra level of support without (hopefully) sabotaging the consistency of the sleep surface.

Phoenix