Iâve had the slight sensation of having to roll up to the edge of the Zenhaven and being pulled towards the middle of the bed. I can just ever so faintly see the bow in the mattress. This post made me check my foundation and it is definitely wood slats placed 8" across and covered with some fabric. It is NOT upside downâŚthe bottom is JUST fabric, no slats.
There doesnât appear to be any sort of cross pieceâŚwhich might explain why my bed is sagging towards the middle just a bit. The slats are on top, and then there is some sort of surface underneath them that appears to span the whole bed. Feels like cardboard or thin wood, maybe?
The sensation is slight but it does irk me a bitâŚI didnât think to look at the foundation til this post! I am still in the return window for the mattress and am gathering as much information as I can to justify that decision and go into the next one better informed.
What is the lightest that unblended talalay can be made in? The ZH rep told me the topper was a 7 ILD âbut he didnât really know.â Iâm just guessing itâs unblended talalay since thatâs their whole schtick but they also used polyester instead of organic cotton so thereâs a chance itâs blended, too. I can pinch it to almost nothing, itâs equal to or lighter than anything Iâve seen in our local store, which I know carries down to 19.
Iâm using this topper as a way to convey to the reps what is and isnât working for me for the next purchase so it would be good to know!
You will soon be a true latex expert with your detailed follow up. Just a point of fact, and I donât mean this as a knock on ZH, but no talalay mattress anywhere in the world is made with a factory measured 7ild. It is actually impossible to do âconsistentlyâ in the mold size / talalay process. And it would not be anywhere durable enouhg to be a viable product.
Of course, both Talalay producers can do it once in a while or by accident, but it has never been sold as a product in the bedding industry. Both blended and non-blended Talalay is made at a minimum of 14ild at the factory. Now other people can measure the ild differently (measure 3" instead of 6" core) but from factory perspective, the 14ild is the lowest they go.
Thank you Sensei! I didnât think he knew what he was talking about, but I am trying to convey the whole Zenhaven experience for the folks at home. The topper is most likely 14, then. (Or 14-19, as I believe these latexes are scored on a range?)
You are welcome and thank you for explaining all the details of the experience, that is critical for the TMU as a whole. Yes the ildâs are scored on a range, but they usually just call them 14 or 19 ild, I sometimes use the range in my notes as the different talalay manufacturers have different ranges. But for all intents and purposes, a 14 is average usually between a 13 and 15, inside a mattress, one canât really tell the difference between 13/14/15.
I have another QC piece to add (part of the other thread but I will include it here as well.)
Does this qualify as a âweak link?â I can now feel through the top fabric that the top layer (and presumably lower layers) are constructed with the same flaw as the toppersâessentially a twin sized piece of latex glued adjacent to a thin strip of latex to make a queenâŚor probably more likely, two twins that were glued together, then chopped off on one side instead of a little off each side, so the seam runs right down the middle of where I sleep.
Iâm not sure how much to worry about this. I would just guess that glue doesnât last as long as latex, and this is literally the point of the bed that is stressed the most. I could see where a middle seam wouldnât matter as much, but right under the sleeper?
I donât like sleeping in the middle or the wall side, and because of the zoning I canât turn the bed the other way.
I am curiousâŚhow do I confirm that this bed is 100% (or as close as it gets) unblended talalay, not blended SBR talalay? If it says â100%â ânaturalâ talalayâŚis that unblended? How do you know?
Edit: I was able to get this by finding their Oeko Tex certification numberâŚvery buried on their website. Look it up and itâs for natural rubber. 11-24246
I am glad you found that oekotex certificate, and of course its never 100% guarantee, but its also nice that TMU has so many contacts and knows people in the industry, we know alot about who they buy from and what they are buyingâŚespecially the manufacturer of the beds, which in this case is most likely Eclipse Bedding in New Jersy, making the zenhaven beds.
I think it depends where itâs boughtâŚmine was made at Everton Mattress in Idaho. I suspect this accounts for some of the huge differences in feel and quality.
Ah yes, Everton, you are correct it certainly depends on where one is located. Itâs a good business model, but one of the risks of using multiple factories/companies is quality control/inconsistencies. I actually believe Saatva does a very good job with this, but we do hear about the issues, if you will.
I think for some reason I thought you were from Northeast region, but I was just confused, I am sure. âŚRe: Eclipse mfg.