14.75 vs 15.5 gauge Texas pocket spring

Both, as well as the fact the coils are connected differently in the quadcoil, affect the strength of the support. Quadcoils are connected in pockets of 4 and then all the way across the mattress, so they have more holdup.

Then there are companies who use the quadcoil at a certain gauge but with a lower coil count. A 1000ct 14.75g generally will be more firm than an 880ct. Provided each base has the same turns in each coil which Texas pocket springs usually does.

And from what I have noticed, a non quadcoil spring feels inherently softer than the quadcoil. I’ve got a mattress that has 13.5g standard coils throughout and the strength of it feels similar to my 14.75g quadcoil. That’s why you see the quadcoil uses thinner springs.

I am 6ft 210lbs back and side sleeper. My nest and wild hybrid uses 880 15.5g springs. They describe it as a “sleep in” feel which it sort of is though my alignment does not get thrown out due to sinkage when I lay on my back. Id describe it as a 5.5 firmness.

The DIY 14.75g base, 1008 coils that I bought from pocketspringstore.com is firm. That is not what I would pick if I had to have 3" of comfort layers max. Though it feels both very solid but comfortable with the 3" quadmini which is a medium layer, and 2" of soft. I would describe it is an 8/10 on its own.

Then there is the engineered sleep duo which uses 880ct 14.75g with a 1.5" of soft on top in the base. That still feels firm if you lay directly on the base. Id describe that as a 7.25.

I do know Texas pocket springs only uses gauge as a differentiator, they use the same amount of turns per spring in their various spring sets.

Hey there Wemattress,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground! Glad to have you and thanks for the question and for following this thread.

Yeah, all else being equal, a 14.75 gauge spring should be stiffer than a 15.5 gauge spring because it uses thicker wire. But I wouldn’t use gauge alone to predict how firm the base will feel. Coil diameter, number of turns, coil count, and how the springs are constructed and connected all play a role. Zoning can also make a difference in how support feels in different areas of the body. Gauge is an important spec, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.

I will offer that, generally speaking, in this category of mattresses, many manufacturers use a lower gauge (thicker wire) spring with the intent of providing a more resistant, firmer support system, essentially communicating to the mattress shopper that the mattress is going to be firmer. Having said that, I go back to the characteristics mentioned above. You can’t look at gauge or coil count in isolation and reliably predict how the finished mattress will feel.

As for the pushback you’re asking about, that’s where it gets a little more complicated. The resistance you feel comes from the entire system working together, not just the springs. The latex compresses and affects how your weight is transferred to the coils, so the same base can feel quite different depending on the thickness and firmness of the latex above it. A coil unit that feels very firm on its own might not necessarily give you the feel you want once it’s paired with latex. Two different spring designs can also provide similar support while feeling quite different in use.

Again, much like the characteristics of the spring support I mentioned above, the overall approach to support, comfort, and cover/panel construction often takes a more generalized, mass-market approach in the DTC mattress genre, whereas some independent manufacturers offer more opportunities to customize and more precisely target comfort and support to the individual sleeper. The point being, you really have to look at the complete construction and how the different components work together, rather than relying on any one spec to tell the whole story.

Since you found an all-latex mattress too rigid, I’d focus less on finding the firmest coil base and more on finding the right balance between the latex and the springs. Depending on what you found too rigid, a softer or slightly thicker latex comfort layer might be all you need. A transition layer can change how gradually you engage with the support underneath, while wool can soften the initial surface feel, but neither is automatically the answer. I’d get the coil unit and main latex layers right first, then fine-tune from there rather than adding layers in the hope of correcting the wrong underlying feel. The specs are useful for narrowing down your options, but they can’t reliably tell you how much pushback you’ll feel in the finished mattress without considering the whole build.

Oftentimes, we only look at part of the picture and not the entire one. You can’t forget that everything between you and the floor matters: the mattress cover, sheets, protector (and how tightly each fits on the mattress), bed frame, and slat spacing and thickness. Slat spacing that’s too wide can affect how the mattress is supported and, in turn, how it feels and responds under load, including its pushback.

I know it can sound daunting, but all these things are worth considering. This is why teaming up with the right mattress professional can make a meaningful difference in helping you navigate the options and find the right overall combination.

Hope this helps,

Maverick

Amazing response maverick. I myself have received the coil unit 14.75 now waiting on my lanoodle pillows and the premium stretch cover. Which I will pair with either 3 inch medium talalay I have or my soft 3 in talalay! I am a bit nervous that the 3in of either might be to much comfort material. In which case I will repurpose the 12 inch’s of latex I have into kids beds and get a 2 in soft topper from sleep on latex or somewhere else. I really hope this is the relief and sleep I have waiting and dreaming about for years.

I was always so scared to go to DIY route due to the inability to return and they’re being so many variables

But at the same time, I have probably purchased, returned or dealt with Ted mattresses over the last five years due to just being so damn uncomfortable

But it’s hard for someone with my body shape. I have 41 inch chest 17 inch arms and a 32 inch waist very muscular and very lean strict back sleeper with some back issues.

I really hope this will help

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I have the 14.75g springs with the quadmini and use 2" of soft, so my “comfort layer” is basically 5 inches..even though the quadmini also functions as a support layer. But it is medium firmness like medium latex. It does feel a lot different though. My bmi is 28.5 and yours is 30.7. I’m a side and back sleeper and my setup is super supportive but still conforming enough for side sleeping. Even my girlfriend likes it and she’s 100lbs.

With a 2" medium Dunlop on top of the quadcoil and quadmini I was having a hard time sleeping. Talalay is more conforming and comfortable for a top layer though so it’s a good thing that’s what you have.

The 14.75g on its own is very strong and that does transmit up through the comfort layer, so considering your build and being only a back sleeper, 3" is probably the perfect amount.

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I just set this up two nights ago and it is very supportive, but I am having pressure point pain in my QL and lower back. I think the latex is just too rigid at least with 3 inches of medium.! I am strongly considering the quad mini with baby one or 2 inches of soft Dunlop

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J,

Give it a little time. I have a 3" 36–38 ILD Talalay latex topper in my current setup. Granted, it’s been in this configuration for months now.

Contrary to popular belief, my latex topper seemed to become unusually soft under my butt area, despite resting on a firm mattress. I realized I hadn’t rotated it during my last several sheet changes. Lazy, I guess! I finally rotated the topper, and now the area under my butt feels super firm again. Keep in mind, my wife is only 5’4", 135 lbs, while I’m 6’0", 220 lbs, and very little load was placed on that area of the topper when on my wife’s side. Meanwhile, the area that was previously under me, now on my wife’s side, feels firmer as well, presumably because it’s no longer bearing the same load. But it was quite noticeable to me, as I like my mattress surface more to the flat firmer side.

I’d say hang in there a bit before making changes. Two nights is still pretty early, and you may find that things settle in as you get used to the new setup. If you do decide to experiment, make one change at a time. No need to start swapping layers or adding minquads just yet!

My point is that even latex can relax a bit with use, or at least feel different depending on how the load is distributed. If an area seems too get too soft, try rotating the layer. If it settles into a feel you like, leave it alone until it needs rotating again.

Remember, this is a new bed. Everything and everyone needs a little time to adjust.

I know there are folks who will say, “pay attention to pain.” Look, nobody wants to be in pain, but you really have to evaluate whether the discomfort feels like an adjustment to a newer, stiffer mattress system or whether the setup simply isn’t providing enough pressure relief. Give yourself some time to figure out which it is. Trust me, you’ll know when you know.

Maverick

I have been sleeping on latex for months and it’s just uncomfortable and I thought it was because of an all late text bill because the pushback is a lot less intense with the Texas pocket coil but when I immediately lay down, I can feel supported, but I also feel like I’m being pressed back up into and it’s not comfortable and I think that’s what’s driving the restlessness overnight

I was even thinking of just getting a few inches of serene foam and maybe a 2.8 density 1 inch layer right above the coils!

But you are right I’m going to give it a little bit more time before I make adjustments

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I told you the 14.75g is firm lol.

The quadmini on the 14.75g with 2" of soft talalay is still a solid setup but you get a gradient from enough soft to give pressure relief, to the quadmini which prevents that sudden transition from soft to firm, and then you have a full 8" of firm that comes up from the bottom. So you don’t get much sagging.

I am 6’0" and even when I was 225 lbs, I use 2" of super soft on the top and I had no issue back sleeping.

That 14.75g on its own with a latex comfort layer hurts my back. It doesn’t feel too far from sleeping on the floor for me. The quadmini makes it perfect, and then the thesis is you just need something to cover the feel of the quadmini. Which I could not handle a 2" of medium Dunlop on that due to the firmness and pushback. My 2" layer is 14 ild.

Ok, so when I was in San Diego a month or so back, I went to @SDMattressMakers Mattress Makers. My favorite mattress there was one that actually was not all latex. It was their Cardiff, which combines serene foam and gel memory foam quilted into the cover/panel. It was one of the more comfortable mattresses I have tested recently. I thought I remember emailing Pablo asking him if they can make that cover as a topper, and I think they were working on it or have completed it. When you think of the configuration (the Cardiff is a hybrid) but it incorporates firm latex over springs with this wonderful quilted cover. Perhaps a version of this cover in topper format might be the answer. It might be worth investigating.

Maverick

This is almost exactly what I was thinking the latex could be closer to the support layer with more comfort materials up front could be awesome thanks for sharing this and there is a video showing the inside they actually tear it down and show you the inside that’s incredible and shows true transparency

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That’s great, they are good folks at @SDMattressMakers should you choose to speak with them. Hopefully, one way or the other you will come up with a suitable solution. I would examine that Cardiff (muffin top, LOL) topper. Sorry, having a day, and muffin top just popped into my head.

All the best,

Maverick

Yes it’s a smart move to keep the 14.75 coils the medium 3in transition and then I am thinking of a 1in serene foam and 1in wool topper to create a “pillow top” I have always liked the Sterns and foster that is the Plush pillow top and then rock firm Support underneath I was playing with memory foam toppers I have and added a 2inch tempur topper to the build and man oh man those coils are still firm firm firm lol I will make this work. Everyone said 14.75 but now I’m wondering if the 15.25 was the move lol

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I have never tested the Texas pocket spring 15.5g in the 1008 count on its own, only the 880ct that’s in the nest and wild hybrid. This bed with that spring has a firmness feel of 5/10 because he uses 4 inches of soft foam on top. The spring layer on its own I would say 6/10. So I would guess the 1008ct would be a 6.75 firmness, the 14.75g to be an 8.25 and the 13.5 a 10.

It seems like they simply change the coil count to modify the firmness of the spring.

Nest and wild also has a model not listed on the site called the escape model which uses 760 14.75g coils, with a 1" firm pad on top and a 2" memory foam. It felt like it had about 15% less compression of the springs.

There is a guy named timbuktree on reddit who said the 15.5g was too soft for him and he had similar stats to mine, 6ft 225lbs, and then I read someone else who said they would not get anything firmer than the 15.5g because it was firm enough to them.

All things considered, I think if I had to choose only a base spring to place layers of foam on, I would choose the 15.5g. I am not familiar with how the quadmini works with the 15.5g. I just know my nest and wild mattress with an even softer version of the 15.5g feels fine and supportive enough for me. So I’m sure the 15.5g diy version would be perfectly fine.

Another example - sleeponlatex made a hybrid mattress this year. Their medium version used the 14.75g and the firm version uses 13.5g. They actually received complaints about their medium version being too firm and changed to the 15.5g.

For assurance, I and my 100lb girlfriend sleep great on my 14.75g + quadmini + 2" super soft topper setup.

I think the more I read the more I realize I want to get the quad mini and then put a few inches of soft comfort material on top not enough to sync maybe an inch and a half

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