Did a search and came up empty, sorry if I missed it.
This is another new company. I contacted them Sunday asking about the densities and got a response also adding the ild of the foams. I sent some more questions today and got very detailed and thorough answers. Very inpressive on that end. This shows the layers https://2920sleep.com/about-us/design/ and here are the specs of the mattress.
The cover is made from a high-end Belgian fabric blend (polyester, viscose, lycra). It also has an adaptive treatment to help evaporation and temperature control (similar to athletic gear).
The 2920 Sleep mattress is another of the newer boxed-bed mattresses available. It is a dba of Art of Sleep, LLC. There is little meaningful information about their product on their web site, so it’s good that you were able to procure those specifications of their mattress.
The top 2" 2.5 lb layer is one of the newer generation of high performance polyfoams that are becoming more popular. The second 1" 3.75 lb layer is either a memory foam or a polyfoam – they aren’t clear on their web site. The polyfoam core is 5.5" at 1.8 lb, and beneath that is 1.5" of 1.8 lb polyfoam that at the 55 ILD helps create a firmer base. Their foams are listed as CertiPUR-US certified. The source of their foams isn’t listed. There’s a bit of hyperbole regarding pricing comparison claims, IMHO, that is quite common from many boxed-bed companies.
Regarding your comments upon warranty, warranties in general are not nearly as important to me as knowing the materials because the reason most people need to replace a mattress is not a manufacturing defect but the loss of comfort and/or support which is not covered by a warranty. Knowing the materials in a mattress will tell you how long the original qualities of a mattress will last relative to other types of materials.
I don’t have enough information about the 2920 mattress regarding all of the foam layers and the source of their foams to render any sort of educated analysis, so I always advise caution in situations such as that.
170+ boxed-bed companies out there and growing, with many quite secretive about their product sourcing and ownership. I’m hoping more will follow the lead of the site members here and be more transparent about their materials, as I believe consumers appreciate that.
We are a US-based (and registered) company, with our staff mostly based in California.
Yes, the second layer is poly and we source from a very reputable domestic company called Carpenter.
I am also one of the partners in the business – I would love to talk with you to get your feedback on our website, information, and what we can do to take better care of “highly informed” customers such as yourself
He gave me his phone number. Very open and responsive.
Thanks for the heads up. I receive quite a few introductory emails from many of the new companies (usually just asking to advertise here on the site or to give me free mattresses to “test”), so I’ll be on the lookout.
Hi All- believe the 1" layer below the top 2" layer of Carpenter Serene foam is Avena foam (which would make sense since it’s also from Carpenter). Admittedly, I’d like to see more 2+ pound foam used in these mattresses but the vast majority of online companies use the 1.8, and this is largely because the manufacturers are advising companies that the difference in durability is negligible. Granted, it’s probably not as costly to pour the less dense foam and the 1.8 is much more “available”, but manufacturers are reassuring companies that they’re confident in the durability, since warranty claims would often go back to them (less weight in the mattress is often promoted as an advantage as well). I’ve had conversations that reinforce this general trend with a number of industry veterans, including a couple who were foam and material scientists. Elite Foam, one of the major foam manufacturers supplying many brands, consistently tries to get these companies to use their 1.8 lb foam instead of 2.4… a couple companies have even told me that Elite is constantly asking them to go to the 1.8 lb even though they want to stick with the 2.4. I also think it’s interesting that Brooklyn Bedding settled on (what appears to be) the Elite 1.8 lb and the Wright Mattress was apparently persuaded to go from the 2.4 (which they were originally using) to the 1.8 (and worth noting that no price reduction was factored in there on the mattress). Both companies echo the manufacturer and reiterate the foam is plenty durable for virtually all weight ranges. Regardless, I’d much rather see more 2.4 being used and also wonder if it has more “HR” like properties… I’ve even seen it described as “HR” although not sure it has the requisite support factor (and realize HR typically starts at 2.5 lbs). I do have to wonder though- is it time that 1.8 lb became the new HD quality standard without a “slight caution” for those in the low 200 lb range or higher (granted, NFL Linemen and extra large types will always have special considerations).
Hi Manimal
I slept on a Wright for awhile when it was the 2.4lb base foam and it was a medium firm and i loved it.
I also slept on the Wright with the 1.8lb base foam and it was soft with no support (for me)
That was a very expensive bed , i wish they had left the specs alone , they had a good thing, why ruin it when you are charging 1795 for a queen
The two posts above from Manimal and Ari are very helpful as points of reference which I appreciate greatly as another high BMI sleeper, thanks very much for taking the time to share your experiences!
Ari- that’s very interesting… I’m not sure what the “setup” was for both when you slept on them and if they may have differed (e.g. a different foundation could result in a significant difference in the perceived feel) but will give you the benefit of the doubt unless you say otherwise. I know from experience that the 1.8 lb in the BME is very firm which I could detect even though the top layers were too soft for me, so wonder if the lower density could have more of an impact on the support of the Wright since it has a lower ILD… although don’t recall if the ILD on the original version was a little higher (32 ILD of 2.2 or 2.4 would likely feel more supportive than 30 ILD of 1.8 when talking about support cores from the same manufacturer). Regardless, I agree with you and was very disappointed to learn they down-specked it.
I’m glad others found our comments helpful but also realize there’s a lot of unknowns, variables, etc. that factor into the feel of every mattress. Many reading this thread are probably also aware that density doesn’t necessarily have a direct correlation to the “firmness” of different foams- imagine a mattress-sized block of Styrofoam next to a much denser and heavier block of 2.8 lb HR polyfoam that has ~27 ILD… the Styrofoam will be like lying on a board while the HR foam will have give and much greater resilience. There are many relatively low-density, low-quality polyfoams used as components in lower quality mattresses (such as “edge support” or “inner pannels”) that are very stiff. Just mentioning this because even if the Wright was the same ILD, a higher ILD of the 1.8 could potentially provide a similar overall feel of support (while still being high quality and having similar “resilience”)… Brooklyn Bedding went with the 36 ILD 1.8 essentially because they felt it was the best balance of density and support/feel in relation to cost and availability.
At the end of the day, I don’t really have any experience with feeling a manufacturers’ 1.8 lb next to their 2.4 lb in an equivalent ILD, let alone how it may affect the overall feel of a mattress where the rest of the components are the same, so don’t want anyone to jump to conclusions one way or the other. I think we can all agree that 2.4 lb from a given manufacturer is “safer” with respect to durability at the least (and may have other properties that make it superior to 1.8 lb) but it seems the statement being made by these manufacturers is that 1.8 lb is “more than good enough” with respect to quality/durability.
I kind of ran away with this farther than intended but all amped up after the Yankees win (sorry to any Cleveland fan out there… would have routed for the Indians if they beat us). It’s an interesting discussion/debate, at least if you’re a mattress nerd like the one I’ve become That said, I’ll defer to Phoenix at this point.
Thanks for your input, and I appreciate you relaying some of the conversations you’ve had in the past with different foam and mattress companies.
One thing I would do is place a caution on your statement of what pourers are advising mattress manufacturers, as while you may have had some conversations supporting your comments, there are other foam pourers who differ with those thoughts and advise differently. I’d also advise a caution on your statements of the reasoning for manufacturers making changes to their products, as unless you were personally involved in the decision-making process with these companies, you would have no first-hand knowledge of such information, although you certainly may have an opinion based upon your talks and experiences.
When statements are made with such certainty on sites like this, readers can often accept them as facts when in some cases they may not be so, and while it may seem a small point to make, on a site such as this where the differentiation between fact and opinion is so important, I feel the need to again point this out, and appreciate you allowing me to do so.
As for your thought on what should be the “new HD quality standard”, I appreciate your thoughts and opinion (and as you’re well aware I respect anyone’s right to disagree), but I won’t be making a change to my recommendations at this time, based upon the thousands of conversations I’ve had with foam pourers and mattress manufacturers. But as foam technology marches on, and more longitudinal data comes in, that of course could change. We chatted about this a bit last year.
As always, I appreciate you sharing you thoughts and experiences!
Rrecommended companies that are members on this site have some products that have layers that fall below the durability guidelines as well as local manufacturers with very good reputations who have been in business a long time. A lot of variables with making a mattress as well as buying one. Sometimes choice can be determined by what a person can afford.
Any statement made by anybody can be questioned without physical proof. I also realize people can and do stretch and bend the truth to their advantage. Bottom line is even with recommended companies being vouched for, there is no guarantee the product is everything they claim it is.
2920 says they subjected their mattress to independent 3rd party testing and it exceeded their highest standards. No idea what that involved or what it really means but they do seem sincere about quality.
Happy to provide some input on the forum as it can be hard to find the time these days. I fully admit to taking some liberty with the presentation, if you will, of my comments at times, so will try to exercise a bit more discretion in that respect. As always, the eloquence, depth and candor of your responses is appreciated.
My original intention (which I kind of got away from) when posting, aside from sharing a couple details about the 2920 mattress, was to open up some further dialogue regarding foam density, especially with respect to mattress cores. Although I of course don’t have first-hand knowledge of the “behind the scenes” decisions, the information was largely relayed “from the horse’s mouth”, so some horses obviously disagree with others Along with injecting a number of “disclaimer” type comments, I’m very careful (as usual) about throwing names around and try to avoid it altogether unless appropriate. I completely understand and agree with essentially all of your points though, including those inferring my previous comments were made a bit carelessly
One thing I really wanted to get your thoughts on is regarding the 2.4 lb Elite Foam and if it can be considered “HR”- I’m not sure what the support factor is and haven’t been able to obtain that information. I know you would consider “HR” foam to normally begin at 2.5 lb density as well but was wondering if this is an “absolute” prerequisite. If not HR, I also wanted to get your thoughts on the 2.4 lb foam properties and if it’s possible it could be similar to HR.
As I think (hope) you know, I have the utmost respect and admiration for you, this site, and those in the mattress community who promote fairness, patience, and quality in regard to both materials and guidance provided to those seeking information.
I have done a lot of research of different brands and the specs of the layers. Out of all the mattresses that I have researched, I have seen very few that meet all of the durability guidelines. Even MU recommended online and local companies that are members. Whether it be quilting and/or memory foam or polyfoam layers the majority of what I have seen fall below the durability guidelines. I understand there are a lot of considerations when manufacturing a mattress including cost and price point. I am also not talking about latex.
So, it is very difficult to buy a mattress with the suggested specs. I realize there are different factors involved in choosing a mattress but it is almost like you are going to be making a poor choice in the area of durability.
We chatted about this a bit