Any experience with Technogel Mattress Estasi+ or Armonia or Piacere

[phoenix]

Hi PrimeNo35,

After many struggles I was able to give away the Technogel Vive mattress for a loss, but it is better than being stuck with it, since I do not use it anymore due to pain in the chest bones (as the lower part of my body sinks down too much discomforting my spine and causing pain on the chest).

Looking at the bright side I can start all over again. After reading through the tutorial and many other threads,

As you mentioned your experience is a good news/bad news scenario but at least you will be able to focus on the part of it that is the good news and start over again and hopefully with the help of the information here make a more suitable choice this time.

The Vi Spring mattress is an interesting one in that it does not seem to have any type of foam and so I will check this out when I visit the store:
www.urbanmattress.com/mattresses/vi-spring/coronet

There is more about Vi Spring and other “ultra premium” mattresses in post #2 here and post #2 here.

In some cases a mattress in this budget range may be “worth it” for a particular person that isn’t price sensitive and that has specific criteria that aren’t available in lower budget ranges but this would be unusual and in general I would need a very compelling reason that clearly indicated there was “enough” of a difference in “real life” compared to many other mattresses that may be just as suitable in terms of PPP (including temperature regulation), just as durable, and that are in much lower budget ranges to justify the higher cost based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Following are the main features I am looking for:

1. Just right comfort for back sleeping (I am 6ft 185lbs) – not too soft that it sinks down and not too firm that it fails to conform to the contours of the body. Continuous support for 8 hours of sleep is needed and should not lose support after 5 or 6hours of back sleeping in the same position.

You are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress would be the best “match” for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or “theory at a distance” that can possibly be more accurate than your own personal testing or sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here).

I can certainly help you to narrow down your options by identifying any lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress or act as a fact check or answer any specific questions you may have along the way that I can help with and help you with “how” to choose but only you can decide which specific mattress, company, or manufacturer is the best match for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

2. No warming up/heating up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping (hence no memory foam).
   I am little concerned about 100% latex mattress. Since it looks like a firmer mattress (than a softer one) would suit well for my body, I am worried that if I choose 100% latex mattress that is firmer (like Spruce VIII from sovn as an example), the latex would be too thick and would be very insulating, there by warming up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping. It would be very useful if the manufacturers could report the surface temperature change on a mattress after sleeping for 6 hours or more on it.

Could you please let me know if the 100% latex mattress that has a firmer feel would have warming up/heating up issues after sleeping for 6hours or more?

Latex in general is the most breathable and temperature regulating of the different types of foam materials (polyfoam, memory foam, latex foam) but there are also many other variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress besides just the type of foam that is used inside it including the type of cover and quilting in a mattress, the mattress protector or mattress pad you use, your sheets and bedding, and where you are in the “oven to iceberg” range that can all interact together and have a significant effect on sleeping temperature. There is more about the many variables that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here that can help you choose the type of materials that will have the best chance of keeping you in a temperature range that you are comfortable with.

While I can only speak in terms of “probabilities” because not everyone fits inside the “averages” that would apply for most people … in very general terms it would be unusual for someone to have temperature regulation issues with a mattress that includes latex comfort layers and that has a wool quilted cover like the Berkeley Ergonomic mattresses.

Since surface temperature would depend on so many variables it wouldn’t really be possible for a manufacturer to provide the kind of information you are suggesting about changes in the surface temperature of a mattress over the course of the night because there would be so many differences between different people and circumstances and a mattress that stays inside a comfortable temperature range for “most” people may not provide a comfortable temperature range for “all” people.

3. Reasonable return policy so that if I run into any issues that cannot be solved and is reported within the first 60 or 90 days, at least I can get some of the money back (and not store exchanges with no refunds).

If you aren’t certain that a mattress would be a suitable choice for you then I agree that it would be important to make sure that you are comfortable with the options you have after a purchase to make changes to a mattress or exchange individual layers or the mattress itself or even in the worst case to return the mattress for a refund although this is a less common option with local purchases that you can test in person. I would also keep in mind that exchange and return policies are built in to the cost of a mattress and the people that don’t return or exchange a mattress are the ones that pay for the ones that do so exchange/return policies that involve exchanging or returning a whole mattress rather than individual layers can add a significant amount to the cost of a mattress.

In the next few days, I will start visiting the list of stores that you provided for the DFW area and try to find the ones that meets the above criteria.

I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback after your visits … and of course any questions you may have along the way as well.

Could you also please let me know if you have a list of good mattress manufacturers from which I can buy online (that do not have stores in DFW area)?
After reading one of the threads, I found out about Tuft & Needle mattress that can be purchased online.

The tutorial includes a link to a list of the members here that sell mattresses online (in the optional online step) that compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency that would be well worth including in your research if you are considering online options. Tuft & Needle is one of the members that are listed there.

Generally I like visiting the store and getting a feel of the mattress before I make a significant purchase. But since my earlier three choices (Tempurpedic, Beautyrest Black and Technogel Vive) have failed me, I am also open to purchasing the mattress online that has a good return policy.
Or please let me know if you think ordering the mattress online is too risky for my case.

Many online retailers and manufacturers have a very good return policy which can significantly reduce the risk of an online purchase.

Post #2 here also has more about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that is the most suitable “match” for each person’s specific needs and preferences and how to identify and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn’t turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them.

There is also more about the most important parts of the “value” of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses.

Sorry one more question:
Tuft & Needle claims to use an Adaptive Foam that does not heat up. I prefer to sleep cool or at least on a mattress that does not heat up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping on it. Please let me know if you know about temperature changes on this Adaptive Foam.

The foam they use is very breathable and isn’t temperature sensitive like memory foam so “in theory” and based on the feedback I’ve seen on the forum most people wouldn’t be likely to have temperature regulation issues on their mattress.

Phoenix