So I spent my first night on my Dreamfoam Eurotop mattress. Because Iām very used to a pillow top I was trying to get as close to that as I possibly could. The dream foam came and itās 66% Urethane Foam and 34% Latex. (It doesnāt say Talalay but Iāll assume it is?) It has 19 written on the mattress tag, which Iām thinking it the ILD. I requested a level 9 on the scale of 1-10.
To the touch itās very soft so I was optimistic!
After sleeping on it, not so much. It feels extremely firm. I have read that there is a false firmness and Iām not positive, but I assume with Talalay as well? My concern is HOW MUCH of this false firmness could there be. I do have 1 more level of softness I could go up, but given just how firm this feels, Iām not sure it will make that big of an impact.
Obviously this is only night #1, but I do have some concerns and Iām going to continue my research process with hopes that thing works itself out during the trial period.
ILD numbers are quite useful, but it depends upon the material being considered as to that level of importance. Sometimes it is simply a comfort designation but not an indicator of quality (like in polyfoam), and in other circumstances it is a reliable way to compare the softness of certain materials to each other (in Talalay latex), and in other cases can be a reliable tool for comparing softness, but not as accurate as density (as in Dunlop latex). So it all depends upon the context.
Congratulations on receiving your new mattress! While your old mattress was a pillowtop, this is not a comfort designation, but Iām assuming your old product was a softer product in surface comfort and this is the direction youāre attempting to move.
Yes, your mattress uses Talalay latex. The law tag isnāt required to differentiate the type of latex being used, but it is Talalay. And the 19 could very well be the ILD ā that would make sense with what you described in your comfort level choice.
Yes, all materials will have some false firmness, and youāll also go through the loss of your previous ālearned alignmentā, so these things will all certainly adjust. The largest initial changes will be noticed with the polyfoam in your mattress, both in the quilt and in the polyfoam support core.
Assuming the latex is indeed a 19 ILD, this would be a softer material, and combined with the plush quilt foam, would provide an initial quite soft surface comfort, into which youād sink and then youād feel the deeper polyfoam core. In situations with a firmer support core, especially on a new mattress using softer comfort materials, the bed can actually feel a bit firmer, as youāll have a tendency to āfeel throughā the softer upper comfort layers into the base polyfoam core. Going to an even softer 14 ILD Talalay could actually make the mattress feel even firmer, as this softer Talalay would allow you to sink in even easier as you āreachedā the deeper firmer support core. I know, itās actually counterintuitive, I know. :S
Youāre correct, one night is not enough time for you or the mattress to adjust. Hopefully, within the next few weeks things will soften up a bit in the polyfoam and the comfort will be closer to what you desire. The good news is that you have 120 days to make an adjustment.
Just before I threw out my old mattress I decided to check out what was inside of this pillow top Iād come to love and it was egg crate foam. When I feel the talalay itās such a different feel, but I like it so much better, so Itās hard to believe it feels firmer than the egg crate foam. Thatās where the base layer you suggested might be coming into play.
I did read on the forum you had mentioned that a mattress cover might also firm up a mattress so the first thing I did when I got home was rid that. I noticed it was cooler and did give back a tad of the comfort, nothing extravagant.
I look forward to the trial period to see how the mattress breaks in and then iāll take it from there. Iāll be sure to update in the process. I appreciate the help and knowledge!
There are different āspeciesā of softness (for lack of a better description). Post #4 here talks a little more about this. Different people will be more or less sensitive to either the āfeelā of softness, the pressure relief softness, the support softness, or the āoverallā softness of a mattress. But this may be getting a bit too far down the rabbit hole.
Just to chime in on the free shredded foam BME pillows, they do come quite stuffed and have an inner zipper layer you can unzip to take out some of the stuffing. I took out about 3 handfuls of stuffing at a time and tested the pillow each night until it felt like I had gone too far and put a couple back in - itās a nice option to be able to āadjustā these!
Following up on what you had written to me, I was wondering in a situation like this, what would be the proper adjustments if the firmness Iām feeling is through to the polyfoam.
The mattress has softened up, BUT I canāt say iām fully satisfied quite yet, but I also donāt hate it. I had a lower back ache the first 2 nights, but nothing since. Just sort of wanting to research a bit out of curiosity.
One thing that Iāve noticed and is a concern for me; Iāve noticed on the mattress cover a small ābubbleā appearing. Itās nothing big, but iām not exactly sure this is ānormalā
My first suggestion would be to keep with your current configuration and see if you continue to adjust to it, as it has been a short time still with this new mattress. My concern would be that if you went with the 14 ILD the bed actually would feel hard, for the reasons I mentioned previously. It may be that you end up choosing a slightly firmer (yet still plush) upper layer from the 19 ILD, but I wouldnāt rush to that choice, and if you do end up making a change I would consult with the people at Dreamfoam before making any decision.
Regarding the quilt panel, it is normal for some small wrinkles in a loose top quilt in a component-style system, so I wouldnāt have a concern with the photo you provided.
So ā¦ I just want to say that ā¦It has come to my conclusion that Brooklyn bedding is now running false advertising with the āBest Mattress Everā slogon after a change in material.
It is my Opinion that a change in material would also require a change in the slogan to.
THE SECOND BEST MATTRESS EVER.
To earn the Title of The Best Mattress Everā¦ one would think thatā¦ As a company, Changing the material would spin off a new product lineā¦ and that the old style that someone bought recently or 10 years ago would still be able to be boughtā¦ because of the claim of Best Mattress Everā¦ the New Brooklyn Bedding mattress is clearly notā¦based on being able to sleep on both old and new style mattresses on a regular basis.
Company donāt change material because the customers requested a different feel of the new TitanFlex foamā¦ it was changed because of the cost to manufacture. Letās be realā¦ Brooklyn bedding isnāt in business to make TitanFlex foam mattresses , Brooklyn Bedding is in the mattress business to make moneyā¦ plain and simple!
What the whole issue isā¦ We can not get a matching mattress from Brooklyn beddingā¦without jumping through hoopsā¦ bottom line.
Iāve deleted your nonsensical post. I explained in my earlier reply to you about the reasons why brands change designs, and also addressed your lack of knowledge and incorrectness about the mattress design claims you made. You seem to think you are entitled to require a manufacturer to produce a product to your preferred specification in perpetuity, or at least until it serves you personally. There are plenty of other sites where youāll be free to post illogical and continue with unsubstantiated claims, but further trolling and posts along the lines of your last one will result in the suspension of your account for violation of the forum rules.
Well that was the most ridiculous post ever. Does he not realize the āThe Best Mattress Everā us just a clever marketing name? There can be no imperical evidence that it actually is the best mattress ever because thatās a completely subjective claim to start with.
Anyhow, after extensive research, primarily on this forum, I ordered The Best Matress ever in soft. Itās being delivered Friday and Iām looking forward to trying it out.
Congratulations on your new mattress order! You certainly chose something using good quality materials. Iāll be interested in learning about your new mattress once youāve had a chance to sleep upon it for some time.
Greetings-
Iāve been researching mattresses for months and taking breaks when I can no longer stand the stress. I am a life-long spring mattress sleeper. I am 63 years young, 5ā10" and fluctuate in the weight range of 235-245( my scale is normally in the 235 range but when I go to the doctor am always close to 250).
I have always been a light, combo sleeper, but mainly a side sleeper and back but mostly side. I have always preferred firm mattresses and sleep on top so I can shift positions, but I do wonder if maybe I am a shift -sleeper due to sleeping on firm mattresses. At any rate, I have been looking at the BME and getting rating at different rating sights and reading customer reviews. I know I only sleep like I do and not like others but just try and see how the people like the company, the mattress and the good, the bad, and the ugly. I know everything is subjective and personal which makes trying to decide all the more frustrating and challenging. It seems that the Brooklyn Bedding Co. is respected and make quality beds. I was considering medium firmness , but after reading so many reviews at TMU now I wonder if I should consider the softer level. I also, have no idea what sleeping on a latex or latex alternative foam mattress would feel like. But the more responsive foam, sleeping more on top, and durable materials have at least intrigue me along with some apprehension. I did call and spoke with a rep but I donāt recall her name . I mainly told her some of my information I provided here and was leaning to the medium level and she thought that would be good, but really didnāt have a conversation about it. I hope to nail by comfort level in the first attempt. This is also my first attempt to buy on line. My sister and I went to Sleep Number a while back to test mattresses but it is very difficult, for me at least, to try mattresses out when other people are milling around and trying to focus on how I feel and if I would like the mattress. I am so tired of researching and need to make a decision. If anyone has some advice if I should go soft or medium or any other helpful tips I would greatly appreciate it. By the way, I considered some inner spring mattresses and hybrids but I live along and discovered from reviews how heavy they can be to rotate or flip, I am getting too old for that even though I am in shape. Just thinking ahead. Also, some concerns with the edge support on the BME as I tend to migrate to the edge thinking if I sleep in the middle it may sag- at least this was my thinking with my inner spring mattresses. Opps, one more thing, I plan on using my box springs which are in goo shape- the Brooklyn rep said that would be fine. Thanks for your time!
A firmer surface comfort, or something not overly plush, using more resilient materials, can work well for someone who sleeps upon their side but prefers a bit of a āfirmerā product and needs to be able to more easily reposition.
Yes, using other peopleās review or opinions is the least accurate manner in which to select a mattress, and I would suggest avoid them altogether, as it contributes more to confusion than educations. While other peopleās comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ā¦ I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone elseās suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ā¦ reviews or other peopleās experiences in general wonāt tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or āvalueā of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here).
Yes, they do use good quality componentry and are well-respected within the industry. And as you are probably aware, they are a site member here, which means that I think highly of them.
Again, I would not use otherās results or opinions on a product as any sort of reliable indicator as what might be appropriate for you. And youāll also note that many people opined after a few weeks how the "false firmnessā of the new BME model was reduced.
Latex and the TitanFlex high performance polyfoam are both quite resilient materials, making it easier for repositioning, but as youāve never tried such materials it would be important for you to become completely familiar with the return/exchange polices of any manufacturer that you are considering. No matter how well a product may be described, I know it is difficult to lie down upon your computer monitor and try it out!
Iād certainly suggest another phone conversation should you decide to purchase this product, just to confirm your desires and needs. For your mass and just the few things youāve mentioned in your post about your preferences, the medium BME would seem to be a logical choice.
Most modern mattresses these days are one sided, so rotating would be what youād most need to worry about, versus flipping.
There are some comments about edge support with latex or other foam mattresses in post #2 here and the posts it links to. Most foam mattresses using a firmer polyfoam core (like the BME) donāt need a specific edge reinforcement system, as the polyfoam core can be quite similar in firmness to some of the foam encasement structures in use by innerspring products. But in general, the edge in these foam products may not feel quite as hard as some of the ātraditionalā offerings out there. It all depends upon the type of system you are used to.
Brooklyn Bedding recommends any type of support system that provides minimal to no flex.
Phoenix- Thanks so much for replying in such a timely fashion. I appreciate the information and will check out post #'s 2 & 13 as you suggested. Iāll keep you posted if i have any other questions or issues. PackerBackerCH
My first suggestion would be to keep with your current configuration and see if you continue to adjust to it, as it has been a short time still with this new mattress. My concern would be that if you went with the 14 ILD the bed actually would feel hard, for the reasons I mentioned previously. It may be that you end up choosing a slightly firmer (yet still plush) upper layer from the 19 ILD, but I wouldnāt rush to that choice, and if you do end up making a change I would consult with the people at Dreamfoam before making any decision.
Regarding the quilt panel, it is normal for some small wrinkles in a loose top quilt in a component-style system, so I wouldnāt have a concern with the photo you provided.
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I wanted to pick your brain about this as Iāve hit my 30 days. The mattress is actually really great, but at times I still wish for it to be softer. Iāve though about how it might have been if Iād gotten the mattress that had the 6"(2x3") of Talalay. Iāve spoken to DF and they said I can try out the exchangeable latex layer as long as I want and will refund me once one is returned.
Do you have any thoughts if I went with a 10 ontop of a 9? I know you said going with the 10 alone may feel even firmer because I will feel the base layer even more. What are your thoughts if I tried those layers together to see if I donāt āFeelā the base layer that way?
Just to make sure Iām understanding your thoughts correctly, are you considering adding a 14 ILD latex topper on top of your current mattress configuration? If that is the case, this would probably be a better option to add ājust a bitā of extra plushness, as opposed to replacing the 19 ILD layer within your mattress with the 14 ILD, as right now you seem to be sleeping well. Adding a 2" ultra plush latex topper will be a way to add a bit more plushness, and adding a 3" layer can increase the plushness considerably more, increasing the depth of your ācomfort cradleā. My main concern with this route would be if you ended up with too much comfort material that allowed you to sink in too deeply and negatively impacting your alignment, but with the option that Dreamfoam is providing it seems to be a nice way to experiment and try things out.
Let me know if I was correct with my assumption, or if you were considering another arrangement.
