Thanks for all the info on this post (and the board/website in general). Looking at making a similar decision between these mattresses and great to have this resource.
Hi mrrr,
Welcome to the site … and I’m looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding 
Phoenix
Longtime lurker, first time poster. THANK YOU for this website and all the incredibly helpful, unbiased information. My husband and I would have gone into a big box furniture store without any idea what to look for if it wasn’t for this forum and I NEVER would have thought about latex mattresses. All I knew about was innerspring, memory foam, and the Sleep Number beds.
Instead - as a result of lots of reading here - we’ve narrowed it down to either the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop or Bamboo Bliss like a few others before us. My husband in particular is very, very unsure about this whole concept of ordering a bed online without trying it first but just yesterday he finally came around to it after we went to OMF to try their latex mattress and it was around $1900 for a king. I’m leaning toward the Bamboo Bliss b/c the cost difference is relatively small after factoring the 5% TMU discount and 2 free pillows.
I think I recall from reading the BB site that there’s a charge of $75 to send a replacement top layer if the one we order is too soft or too firm. DH isn’t crazy about the idea of that charge since this seems like such a big risk to him but I guess it’s better than having to pay a re-stocking fee or similar charge elsewhere, right?
When I explained to DH that’s how it works if we don’t like the firmness - we order a replacement top - then he was concerned that this is some kind of mattress with a bunch of different layers that will shift around and bunch up. I assured him that I haven’t read about any of those complaints but it might help if someone here could confirm for me that it isn’t an issue. (I hope!)
Thanks again for all the help!
Hi ItsMyNaptime,
You are right on all counts
There is no such thing as a “free” exchange policy because all exchanges are built into the cost of a mattress and if they are “free” then the people who don’t exchange a mattress are paying for the ones who do. There is more about exchange policies in post #9 here and in many cases in the mainstream industry or in chain stores they are just an additional profit center or marketing trick disguised as a “benefit”.
Even if you were to add the $75 cost to the price of the mattress and offer “free” exchanges then it would still be a great quality/value option compared to most other mattresses that used similar materials or had similar options.
Latex is quite “sticky” and tends to stay in place and the latex is in its own separate compartment so there wouldn’t be any issues with shifting (see post #2 here and the post it links to). In the worst case if for some reason the latex layer was to shift (such as transporting the mattress on its side) it would be very easy to open up the compartment and move or “wave” it back into position again.
Post #16 here also has more about the comparison between the Dreamfoam Eurotop and the Brooklyn Bedding Bamboo Bliss.
Phoenix
Wow, you’re really good at responding to all these questions so quickly! The explanation about the latex layers generally not shifting makes a lot of sense. I’m crossing my fingers that DH is comfortable enough with the online purchase that we can place an order soon and start sleeping through the night again. Our old, broken down spring mattress has us both waking up with sore necks and backs almost every day.
For what it’s worth, he and I are both pretty average sizes. He’s around 5’ 9" and 175, I’m around 5’ 7" and 135 so weight shouldn’t be an issue with the Bamboo Bliss I wouldn’t think. We both sleep on our backs, sides and stomachs but that might be in part from tossing and turning out of discomfort. I hope this is the perfect mattress for us so I don’t have to hear him say “I told you so!” about the not-tested-in-person purchase.
Thanks so much.
Hi ItsMyNaptime,
One of the benefits of a component mattress is that you have good options after a purchase to make comfort changes and if you are looking at a king size then you also have the option for each of you to choose your own comfort level on each side of the mattress so he can make the choice for his side
Phoenix
Hello. I’ve read this thread, and done some searches, and it seems to me that while Brooklyn Bedding and DreamFoam are sister companies with similar products, with the caveat that in general, the Brooklyn Bedding mattresses are of slightly higher quality.
BUT: all I’m in the market for at the moment are a couple of memory foam mattress toppers–a Queen 5 LB 3 inch topper, and a King 4 LB 3 inch topper.
So, with such essentially simple products, I’m wondering if there would be any quality difference between buying the toppers from BB or DreamFoam (the latter through Amazon). The DreamFoam toppers are about $40 - $45 cheaper each than the BB ones, and if they are sister companies, then I’m hoping they are equivalent products.
but
Amazon doesn’t supply as much technical info. as BB…but parts of the description wording are very similar to what’s on BB’s website. So, am I correct in assuming these DreamFoam toppers are identical or nearly so to BB’s; except for costing a total of about $85 less? Or am I missing something? Thanks!
These are the two DreamFoam toppers:
Hi gaeila,
I believe they are the same with the difference being the exchange and return policies (Brooklyn Bedding has a 30 day exchange/return policy for their toppers with a $50 shipping cost) but I would check with them just to be certain.
Phoenix
Here’s an update:
I bought two different DreamFoam toppers from Amazon. They are OK, but not great.
First, there is a 5 lb 3" queen size, which cost $162.00. You can see it at: Amazon.com
PROs: Low price, reasonably fast shipping
It is firmer than the 4 lb King. But not by a lot.
Cons: Doesn’t look like the photo. The color is a dar tan, and the foam itself looks like small bubbled swiss cheese. It is not a smooth foam expected from memory foam. My husband was not happy with how it looked. I wasn’t thrilled either.
The topper weighed only 32 lbs, so the weight is short, not really a fully 5 lbs.
Next, there is a 4 lb 3" King which cost $199.58
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EQJBQT0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Pros: It’s very VERY soft, (which works for me)
The price was pretty reasonable
It was smooth, as expected, no “swiss cheese look.”
Cons: The topper looked nothing like its photo. It is GREEN. Not white/light beige as in the photo.
This topper will probably not last very long. Within a week, it started opening many tears and rips.
The topper weighed only 40 lbs, so, again it’s not really a full 4 lb topper if you do the math. Short weight.
Both toppers have helped both my husband’s and my backs, but not as much as hoped. My husband has tried sleeping on both toppers, and can’t decide which one is better for his back.
Also, I checked with Brooklyn Bedding, and THEIR 4 lb 3" King only weighs 35 pounds–even shorter than DreamFoams weight. At least according to the chat guy I spoke with.
Kind of disappointing, given the favorable reviews here for Brooklyn Bedding and DreamFoam. Maybe I just got a bad batch, or maybe they’re going downhill. Dunno.
So, the next step is to gamble more money on a 5 lb 3" king Sensus from either rockymountainmattress or sleepwarehouse.
Will update on that whenever.
gaeila
Hi gaeila,
The pictures are just “stock” pictures that are widely used to depict the “hand in memory foam” idea. The color or “look” of memory foam isn’t particularly important and memory foam comes in many colors and versions.
Foam densities aren’t exact and when a mattress manufacturer orders foam from a foam pourer it is ordered with a spec tolerance. For example if you order a 5 lb memory foam and the tolerance is 5% then it could be anywhere from 4.75 lb to 5.25 lb. If the actual weight of your topper is not reasonably close to the density it should be (keeping in mind that Amazon or courier weights aren’t always correct) then I would always call the manufacturer because it’s possible they shipped you the wrong one. A queen size that is 79" x 60" x 3" for example would be 8.23 cu ft. If the weight for this topper was their shipping weight then it would be 38.3 / 8.23 which works out to 4.65 lbs which would be very close to 5 lbs depending on the tolerances of what they ordered from the foam manufacturer. Again though I would always make sure you use the actual weight not the Amazon weight or the courier weight because if you do the same calculation on a king size using the shipping weight the density comes out to 5.24 lbs.
I’m not sure what you mean by a “bubbled swiss cheese” look but if you could post a picture it would be helpful to know what you meant. Either way … the “look” of memory foam isn’t all that important.
I think you linked to the 5 lb topper by mistake. Is this the 4 lb topper you ordered? If you ordered a 4 lb king size topper that is 79 x 76 x 3 it would be 10.42 cu ft. If the actual weight of the topper was 40 lbs then it would be 3.84 lbs which would be in the normal range for a 4 lb topper. If the weight was the 42.8 lb shipping weight they list then the density would be 4.11 which is also inside a normal spec tolerance.
It’s likely that the shipping weight they gave you was incorrect for a king size because if it was correct then the density would be outside of a normal variance and it’s probably the same as what they are selling on their Amazon site.
As you can see from the examples here … it’s important to use the actual shipping weight to calculate density or before you are “disappointed” and these are often not correct with Amazon or courier weight listings. I don’t think you got a bad batch as much as you were probably using the incorrect weights. They certainly aren’t “going downhill” and are working just as hard (if not harder in the last few years) to provide good quality/value to their customers as they have over the last almost 20 years.
Phoenix
Thanks Phoenix.
We weighed them ourselves, so, yeah, didn’t go by the listed Amazon weights.
Can’t say for sure about the Brooklyn bedding weights, just going by what the guy working there said.
Regards,
gaeila
Hi gaeila,
Your 4 lb topper was inside the range that a 4 lb king size topper would be expected to weigh (40 lbs).
If your queen size 5 lb topper was only 32 lbs though and this is an accurate weight then it’s possible you were shipped an incorrect topper because this would be in the 4 lb density range (3.89 lbs) in which case I would call them.
Phoenix
Thanks Phoenix,
Nope, checked, right topper was shipped. Guess I just got unlucky.
Quick question–who would you pick to buy a Sensus topper from–rockymountainmattress or sleepwarehouse? Or would it matter–is a a Sensus a Sensus no matter who you buy from?
Thanks again–this is a great site.
gaeila
Hi gaeila,
Not to belabor the point but there are only two possibilities. Either the weight you measured wasn’t correct or the topper wasn’t a 5 lb topper. It isn’t a matter of “luck”.
If a material is the same type and density then from that perspective it wouldn’t matter in which case I would make a choice based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of my personal value equation that were most important to me (such as price, return policies, the knowledge and guidance of each one when I talked with them etc).
Phoenix