Buying a latex mattress for elderly parent (DIY questions)

Hi,

My spouse and I have been sleeping on 100% latex mattresses for nearly 20 years now. We love them!

My nearly centenarian mother-in-law is moving in with us and we need to purchase a bed. She’s currently sleeping on a monstrosity that was given to her after a bed bug issue. The mattress was from the “left furniture” stash of the independent living community where she’s currently residing (I think her current mattress was a torture device, in a previous life). Seriously, you can feel every one of the springs through it…it’s awful. I’ve had to try to sleep on it before and was miserable.

She has rheumatoid arthritis and a lot of ongoing pain. We decided that we should get her a latex mattress, too. Our first mattress was made of three 3” layers in a simple cover. I’m thinking of doing the same for her, since we’re on a budget. Hers will be a Twin XL.

I asked her, and she likes a softer feel. I’m thinking of getting a 3” Dunlop Firm for the base, a 3” Dunlop Medium for the middle layer, and a 2” or 3” Dunlop for the top. I’d like to just use a mattress pad to hold it together (I find the latex is more responsive without a thick quilted cover and the more traditional style covers are surprisingly expensive). We plan to set it directly on a metal slatted bed base which has slats fairly close together.

A few questions.

  1. Do you see any issues with my plan?

  2. Would you recommend 2” or 3” for the top “soft” layer. How will they feel different?

  3. Has anyone used a Soft Dunlop top? How does it compare to Talalay?

  4. Can you see any issues with using the mattress pad to hold things together?

  5. Would you anticipate any problems with the uncovered/bare latex sitting directly on the metal slats? I know that latex can tear and I’m wondering if this might be an issue. If you think it might tear, I could get a cover for just the bottom layer or make a fabric layer to go under the mattress/over the slats.

I’m considering purchasing the layers from LatexMattressFactory (their mattress toppers), which have free shipping. I would consider Arizona Prem. but the shipping is cost prohibitive for our location. Are there any other sellers that I should consider?

I know nearly anything will be better for her than what she has now but I still want to try to get her a nice setup, even though it’s on a budget. We’re planning to stick to all latex (vs hybrid) so that, should she need an adjustable bed base in the future, this latex bed will be compatible.

In case it’s relevant, she’s about 5’4”, and 135-140lbs.

Thanks in advance!

@Sleep_EZ

Hi lifereinspired,

Congratulations to your MiL and it is great to see you looking for a new bed to make her comfortable. You may have seen a few of my posts as I have undertaken a similar situation with my MiL who is 86, knee and hip replacement and spinal cancer diagnosis recently.

My approach was a little different as she had purchased (without my consultation) a BeautyRest mattress. It developed a NY style pothole depression in less than a year and a half. First I rotated the mattress to alleviate the pain in her lower back and hips, then I rotated the mattress out of the house.

I purchased her a queen @DLX premier hybrid. I ordered it with one side firm, and the other medium, since there was no way to try it first. She is about 5’3 175. Turns out she loves the firm side. It is not firm like a brick, it is extremely supportive and has a nice zippered cover/panel that is cushion enough to not add any pressure to her hips as a side sleeper. I also purchased her a yawnder4 adjustable base. 3 programmable remote buttons, a 1 button back to flat and a host of other features. When she presses the remote button to lift her back, it is a breeze for her to get out of bed. Then, one press of the button and it automatically goes to flat.

If you feel latex may be the better option, and I will assume you have let her lie on yours and perhaps in this process you were able to determine that preference of the “softer” feel. There are a host of ways to go about this.

Your plan for creating a latex mattress for your mother-in-law sounds like a fairly solid appoach.

1. Your Plan

The approach of using three layers of latex is solid, should provide a good balance of support and comfort. Here are a few points to consider:

  • Layer Configuration: Your choice of a 3” Firm Dunlop base, a 3” Medium Dunlop middle layer, and a softer top layer seems appropriate. This should give a good combination of support and softness. However, be mindful that comfort can be subjective, so adjusting the firmness of the top layer might be necessary depending on her feedback. Plus, with an all latex mattress, you may have to worry about edge support and her ability to get in and out of bed. (you did not mention how able she is).
  • Mattress Pad: Using a skirted mattress pad to hold the layers together is practical (I actually use something similar to keep my 3" organic wool topper from shifting), especially if you prefer a more responsive feel. Just ensure the pad is thick enough to keep the layers from shifting but not too thick to impact the latex’s performance.

2. 2” vs. 3” Top Layer

  • 2” Soft Dunlop: This will offer a softer feel with less pronounced contouring. It will provide a gentle cushioning effect while still allowing the underlying layers to offer more support.
  • 3” Soft Dunlop: A 3” layer will give a more substantial plush feel and enhance contouring. This can be beneficial for pressure relief, especially for someone with rheumatoid arthritis. It might make the mattress feel softer overall and provide more significant comfort.

For someone with chronic pain, a thicker soft layer (3”) might be more beneficial, but it’s good to balance this with the support provided by the layers below.

3. Soft Dunlop vs. Talalay

  • Soft Dunlop: Dunlop latex tends to be denser and has a firmer overall feel compared to Talalay. Even the soft variants can feel somewhat supportive and resilient. It’s durable and can provide good support with some cushioning.
  • Soft Talalay: Talalay latex is generally softer, more breathable, and has a more plush, buoyant feel. It may offer better pressure relief and a more luxurious feel compared to Dunlop.

For someone with rheumatoid arthritis, the pressure relief provided by Talalay might be more beneficial, but if you are on a budget and need to stick with Dunlop, it can still provide excellent comfort and support.

4. Using a Mattress Pad to Hold Layers Together

Using a mattress pad to keep the layers together is a common solution and should work well if it is appropriately fitted. Make sure the pad has a good grip and fits the dimensions of the mattress to avoid shifting.

5. Latex on Metal Slats

Latex is durable but can be sensitive to sharp edges or uneven support:

  • Protective Layer: Consider adding a thin protective cover or fabric layer between the metal slats and the latex mattress. This can prevent potential damage and ensure better distribution of weight.
  • Slat Spacing: Ensure that the slats are close enough (ideally no more than 3 inches apart) to provide adequate support. If the spacing is too wide, you might need to add a solid surface or a supportive board beneath the mattress. A bunkie board or coil layer may be sufficient.

The plan to use a latex mattress with a 3-layer configuration seems well-suited for comfort and support, particularly for someone with arthritis. Choosing the right thickness for the top layer and considering the differences between Dunlop and Talalay latex will be crucial for optimizing comfort. Protecting the latex from the metal slats ( it may be an additional expense, but exploring an good quality adjustable base will add support to your setup and may prove more comfortable for mom while sleeping and getting out of bed). I am not in love with the metal slat idea, although there are several options for a metal frame with wooden slats, less than 3" spacing. Insofar as a cover, I would cover the entire project with a mattress cover from @Arizona_Premium or @Latex_Mattress_Fact1. Then you can place the mattress pad on top of this for added protection to the mattress.

The nice thing about this is you can swap layers should mom say she is not comfortable. You could move the soft layer to the middle and the medium to the top based on her comfort preferences. If you cover the mattress with an nice mattress cover and are using a Twin XL, you are setting your self up down the road for adding another Twin XL and create a king for a spare room or guest room.

Hopefully this helps.

Maverick

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I sleep on a soft Dunlop top (inside a cover) However, Talalay may give her more cushion if she likes soft. Additionally, you may be able to add some plushness in your mattress pad. Sometimes a wool pad is nice for those with arthritis.

Some people put a bed rug on the slats to help with support. That may help preserve the latex. I think you are wise to consider that the metal slats may rip the latex. Down the road, an adjustable bed could be very helpful to her. Look for Black Friday sales!
Hope all this is helpful.

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@Maverick, thank you, thank you SO much for your reply! I truly cannot express how helpful I found it! I feel so stupid…I wrote this reply the day you posted your message and accidentally didn’t send it! A true “facepalm” moment. At least the forum system saved my response so I didn’t have to start from scratch!

Unfortunately, we’re dealing with budget constraints so I’ve been trying to figure out how I can get the core things that are most important for her for this move (she currently lives 1200 miles away), and then perhaps add/upgrade/augment in the future.

I loved the idea of a DIY latex for many reasons. First & foremost are comfort, durabilty, and healthy materials. DIY is the most affordable option but also gives us a lot of ways to customize it, as you have mentioned. So, if I go with the 3” each of firm/med/soft (Dunlop), and it turns out to feel too soft, we can swap the middle and top layers, as you suggested. If she needs additional pressure relief, I’m thinking about adding a thinner talalay top layer down the road. As you said, feel is so subjective. Soft to one person means sinking in and to another, means a lot of firm support. I don’t know if the more “sinking in”/bouncy feel of talalay would be exactly perfect for her or make her feel almost claustrophobic (my spouse - her son - had some of that issue with the feel of talalay but that also could have been difference in body weight). We have do this somewhat “blind” because we have no where for her to sleep when we bring her back home from the 1200 mile trip otherwise.

The other thing about the DIY is that, if ithe plan goes awry and she needs us to make changes, we have options. We don’t have to start all over by chucking out the whole mattress.

We were looking at doing an adjustable bed for her in the future. But I took your recommendation to heart about both an adjustable bed base (and not doing the metal slats). We lucked out! I had the idea of checking on Facebook Marketplace. We found someone a few hours away selling a brand new adjustable bed base, in the box, for Twin XL (which is what we need). Apparently, they had ordered a Split King and the company sent THREE Twin XL bed bases instead of just two. Due to the excessive weight, the company didn’t want to pay to ship it back and told the guy to keep it. So, we picked up a brand new, never used $700 adjustable bed for $100, which we picked up this weekend. That’s about the same as we’d have to pay for the cheap metal frame’s we were looking at.

The adjustable base will offer much better protection for the latex itself so I’m less worried about it getting damaged or town. Perhaps, if we can use the mattress pad to “hold things together” for now, we can get the proper mattress cover from one of the retailers you mentioned a little further down the road as an upgrade. I actually wish I could find one that didn’t have the thick quilted top. That’s what our OG queen latex mattress had and what our current (10+ years old now) split king has. I love being able to better feel the latex than what a thick quilted cover will Offer. Do mattress covers/encasements without a thick, quilted top exist? I’ve mostly found either a thick quilted top or just a waterproof encasement (and I don’t want waterproof…I’ve slept on way too many of those at Airbnbs and they are terrible). I also realized that not going with an actual cover straightaway will give us a few months for Mom to figure out how the bed is working and do any layer re-stacking or additional layers. That way, if we find out we do need another layer of talalay, etc, we won’t be stuck with a 9” mattress encasement/cover that wouldn’t accommodate the additional top layer. We’d know better which size to choose by then.

We opted for the Twin XL after finding that it’s nearly impossible to find a regular twin adjustable bed base (makes sense since a king/split king is two twin xl’s). I think she’ll enjoy the extra length anyway and we already have sheets for that size. I love your idea that we could add another twin xl in the future as a guest bed.

Seriously, thank you again for taking the time to share such a thoughtful and helpful reply. It has proved super encouraging and gave me a much needed confidence boost, and sanity check! Hearing that someone else has been through this was also somehow comforting. I’m truly grateful. :slight_smile:

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@TheCleanBedroom, thanks so much for taking the time to reply! I truly appreciate it.

It’s helpful to hear that you sleep on a soft Dunlop top. I’m guessing you’ve been able to try a lot of options so knowing that’s your choice is reassuring. That’s the way I’m leaning for Mom for a couple of reasons. Having slept on her current mattress/torture device/rack, it has no give/enveloping feel at all. I’m certain it actually creates pressure points on her. While I know that Talalay is amazing for pressure relief, the greater bounce & enveloping feel of Talalay I think can be a little polarizing. I loved it but my spouse (so, her son) kinda felt a little claustrophobic from it. He described it as feeling like the mattress was grabbing him and like he felt “stuck” in it, at times. Mom & son tend to be somewhat alike on certain things and I’m a little worried about her going from the slab of springs with a sheet on top (her current mattress) to a really enveloping Talalay. I think that the Dunlop would be less likely to have a “learning curve” for her to get used to. My spouse loves the feel of Dunlop.

I’m currently planning on 3” Dunlop Firm, 3” Dunlop Medium, and 3” Dunlop Soft. I didn’t realize that the 2” soft would actually feel more firm because it would “pass along” more of the firmness of the layer below, since it’s thinner.

Now, it’s just getting up the nerve to hit checkout! I really want her to love the mattress. I’m fortunate to be one of those people who truly loves my MIL and I’m even more fortunate that she’s basically adopted me as the daughter she always wanted. I want to make whatever time she has left as good as we can.

We definitely took the concerns about the metal slats tearing the latex to heart. I mentioned above, I’d been keeping my eyes open for items on FB Marketplace. After reading both your reply and Mavericks, we lucked out and picked up a brand new premium adjustable bed base, unopened in the original box for $100 (originally $700). Manufacturer sent an extra one to a customer & it was more expensive to send it back than write it off. So, we were able to get an amazing deal on that for her for about the same price as a cheap metal bed frame would have been on Amazon/Walmart. I’m super excited about that for her. When we told her on the phone, she sounded like a little kid full of excitement. I really appreciate the encouragement about the mattress itself and the base or I might not have found that deal for her.

Thanks again for your reply!

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