I’m looking at the Flexus quadra-flex mattress. It’s basically just coils and 3" of Talalay latex, which is what I’m looking for, from a manufacturer that you recommend. Price is $1000 for a queen, which beats everything I can find in this profile.
However, it’s configurable, meaning the foam layer can be removed/replaced by unzipping the mattress. I’ve never heard of this. In fact, on this site, the opposite seems desired–full depth tufting and cohesive layers seem to be the priority.
But since you speak highly of Flexus and the inputs are quality, I’m at a loss… It seems like removable layers might be a gimmick or at best a liability. But I have no idea! Please help!
As you’re aware, Flexus is a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency. They are extremely knowledgeable about latex and different configurations, and I would not hesitate to recommend them for your consideration.
The Quadra-Flex is a high-quality hybrid mattress, using a tri-zoned pocketed spring innerspring with 3" of 100% NR Talalay on top, available in three different levels of plushness. The cover is removable so the latex layers can be changed to optimize your comfort, which is a popular feature with component-style latex mattresses. There are other site members listed in post #2 here who also offer similar coil hybrid latex mattresses.
You’re confusing different types of mattress constructions that are appropriate for different componentry. Tufting is sometimes used (most often) in traditional innerspring mattresses, usually ones that contain a majority of polyfoam in the comfort layers, as a method of creating a certain comfort and also enhancing durability. In a component-style system, where the layers can be reconfigured or replaced (a system which has been around for decades), tufting of course would be precluded, as the layers would not be removable. Different configurations, different goals, different applications. It isn’t as common for latex to be tufted in a mattress, as it would take away some of the buoyancy and point elasticity that people are seeking with latex.
Your assumption is incorrect. A configurable system is neither a liability nor a gimmick, but offers the user the flexibility to customize the feel of a mattress not only immediately after the purchase, but also in the future, without replacing the entire mattress. There are versions of this that use all latex, latex with polyfoam cores, memory foam with polyfoam or innerspring cores, and even versions using only polyfoam. This can be especially useful when ordering something online, as it gives the consumer a bit of a “safety net” to be able to replace/rearrange layers if their selection doesn’t feel as they had hoped after ordering. These systems are/have been quite popular for many years, and a quick glance at the members of the site will show that many of them offer such component systems, as well as other mattress companies who are not site members here.
I drove 90min to the Flexus showroom in Covina. I was delighted to find it in an out-of-the-way industrial park adjacent to their warehouse. Clearly they do not waste money on retail overhead…
Tested the mattresses and was very impressed. Seemed to be high quality construction and materials. Their interchangeable pad construction not only makes them adjustable, which is really a plus once you test it, but it also reveals the no-nonsense and chemical-free build. So there is no mystery about what’s in your mattress.
I bought the quadra-flex and was very surprised to discover I preferred the soft latex on top. Never would have ordered soft, so was very glad I tested. Even so, their free exchange of pad makes this worry irrelevant. If I don’t like soft in a few months, I’ll swap for the medium, which I also loved.
Price is $999 with tax and delivery included, which is unbeatable in my research for this ROI.
Incredibly helpful staff. Highly recommend.
Note: the 13" cloud bed (4 latex layers) is unreal. Impossibly comfortable and supportive (and adjustable with the 4 pad configurations). If I had an extra $700 I would buy this beauty. I dare anyone to try that bed and come anywhere close at that price.
Congratulations on your new Flexus mattress! :cheer: You certainly chose a product using higher quality materials. I’ll be interested in our feedback once you’ve had a chance to sleep upon the product for a while.
It’s nice to have the interchangeability and knowledge of what is inside of your mattress, but there is no “chemical-free” mattress build. Even latex will use some chemicals in the formulation of the foam, but it does have the ability to pass certifications such as Oeko-Tex.
So is the quadra-flex pocket coils specifications/reputation better than the combi-zone quantum edge pocket coils or vice versa? Or is it all base on preference?
Now that your new mattress is on its way, the time in between making the purchase and actually being able to sleep on a mattress can go a bit too slow…
As you know Arizona Premium is one of our Trusted Members here which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.
This may be after the fact but both pocket coil spring units you are looking at are produced by two of the most reputable spring manufactures in North America, Leggett & Platt and Texas Pocket Springs, which would both be good quality and durable spring units. As all layers are working together, the only difference is that they may have different properties and response curves and are used for different reasons and purposes in a mattress design. In very general terms some innerspring is designed to contribute more to the comfort of the mattress along with the support (more dual purpose) while others are used more for the support and the comfort is created through the combination of more specialized materials and foam above the coils.
Arizona Premium’s Ultimate Hybrid Pocket Coil Latex uses the Quantum Edge Combi-Zone innerspring unit (Leggett & Platt) and The Quadra-Flex is using a tri-zoned pocketed spring (Texas Pocket Spring) with lower wire gauge around the perimeter for better edge support. The perimeter edge in the Combi-Zone pocket coil unit has smaller diameter coils around the edge offering good support, reducing the roll-off, and creating a more consistent sleep surface. Both units are also providing more support in the center third zone of the innerspring for the hips and lumbar area.
I’m looking forward to your comments and feedback after you’ve had the chance to sleep on it for a while.
Roughly speaking each of the two spring units would provide a good edge support and assist with roll off. I have not tested side by side or performed an in-depth analysis of which of the two would be “more supportive”, but in general the support properties of a pocketed spring unit are a result of many interrelated factors such as wire gauge (typically between 13 and 17 with the lower the gauge number the thicker the wire), the number of turns /wraps of coils, the diameter of a coil turn, the number of coils, coil connectors, and other proprietary factors such as the preload, tensile strength… Each of two coil system units you are assessing has been engineered using a variety of firmness and support characteristics controlled by those factors…but neither of them would have what I call a “hard sitting edge” like a very firm polyfoam encasement around the pocket coils would. While the main focus is on preventing roll off during sleep, the edge in the zoned pocket coils products is good for sitting but springier and not as firm as a polyfoam tub but is making the units power base friendly and easier to compress and ship.
Texas Pocket Springs has different models using zones or thicker steel along the edge and Leggett & Platt’s Quantum Edge is quite strong and consistent with their new-age design engineered for e-commerce which is much more widely distributed. The Quadra-Flex by Texas Pocket Springs is a high-quality coil system with some unique properties. Both companies use different coils on the perimeter (edge of the bed) to provide good edge support.
You may also wish to peruse comparison here of between edge steel perimeter and an edge foam encasement, showing that the steel perimeter is roughly 25% easier to articulate on adjustable base and 25% more durable than a foam encasement.
Your best course of action, after you have done a bit more research, is to connect the retailer/manufacturer who is selling and providing the warranty on each mattress you are considering they would know much more about the pros and cons of each of them.
