Conflicting Info, please help

[EJS]

I posted a few weeks ago (and rec’d great info, thanks!) about my husband and I in the market for a new mattress. We still are not totally decided and have had different people (in the industry) tell us conflicting information. I am hoping to get the ‘right’ information here.

We are looking to purchase an adjustable base and have pretty much settled on the Reverie 5D due to price, features and the fact that we heard that they offer the best warranty(?) of the adjustable bases.

We were originally looking (due to liking the ‘feel’ of it) into a hyrbid pocket coil/latex mattress. We were told though that the pocket coils are less durable on an adjustable base vs. an all latex mattress. We were also told that it has the same durability. Any insight?

I did not care for any of the Pure Latex Bliss mattresses we tried. They felt too bouncy and almost waterbed-like to me. I thought it was because of the Talalay latex vs. the Dunlop BUT I did not feel that way when laying on a 3"x3 Savvy Rest with Talalay. The gentleman said that this feeling (of the PLB) is because of the layers being glued together. Can anyone verify or explain? Would all “glued” layers then feel this way?

I do like the zip covers made with cotton and a small amount of wool. I like ability to move around layers if needed or replace a top layer when needed. I was told though that layers on an adjustable base should be glued together to avoid “the layers of latex rubbing together”. I have also heard the layers can ‘slip’.

And lastly, I know everyone feels things differently but can someone please explain the possible feeling difference of a layer (2") of Talalay latex on TOP of a latex bed (like a topper) vs inside the mattress with the other layers of latex.

Thank you so much! Really hoping to have a decision soon- we both can’t wait for a good night’s sleep

[Sleeping_Organic]

(of the PLB) is because of the layers being glued together. Can anyone verify or explain? Would all “glued” layers then feel this way?

Hi EJS,

From our experience we find that with a softer configuration, an all talalay mattress gives a completely different feel that say a mattress with dunlop latex core support. We have found that the glued layers has little to no effect on the feel of the mattress. In my opinion, you just narrowed it down to not wanting an all talalay mattress. I would suggest a talalay top layer with some firmer base layers.

I’m sure Phoenix has some great suggestions as well! Happy hunting!

[EJS]

Thank you. The Savvy Rest with the 3 separate 3" layers were all Talalay ( Soft, Med, Firm) and felt much different than any of the PLB models (we tried 4 of them).

[phoenix]

Hi EJS,

I posted a few weeks ago (and rec’d great info, thanks!)

Thank you – you’re welcome! :lol:

I am hoping to get the ‘right’ information here.

I’ll do my best. B)

we heard that they offer the best warranty(?) of the adjustable bases.

Power foundation warranties are pretty similar across the board, and they can be quite confusing. The Reverie 5D has a 20-year limited warranty. This covers parts and labor full for one year, parts only for years 2-5, and prorated coverage of the frame only for years 6-20. Most brands are pretty similar, depending upon the level of the product. They’ll cover the parts (and some labor) for the first few years, then it’s usually prorated for the remainder of the warranty on the frame only. Most of the major power foundation brands in the US are decent in quality and when you think about it their motors are under load for a just a few seconds while being adjusted, then they are at rest. Defects tend to show up pretty early in the process of having the product. If you’re really worried about the time of a warranty, you may wish to check into an extended warranty. I don’t normally recommend such plans, but there are some consumers who feel better with a 5 or 10-year “stem to stern” warranty coverage of their power foundation.
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We were originally looking (due to liking the ‘feel’ of it) into a hyrbid pocket coil/latex mattress. We were told though that the pocket coils are less durable on an adjustable base vs. an all latex mattress. We were also told that it has the same durability. Any insight?

While there can be large variations in the “latex hybrid” types of mattresses you mentioned, generally an all-latex product will outlast the hybrid product. With the pocketed spring unit being used, you’re bending the product in ways it wasn’t necessarily designed to bend. There are extra stresses placed upon the glue that holds the fabric-encased springs together, and the border rod has to be eliminated along the side of the product to allow it to bend, which reduces structural integrity of the mattress. In addition, the foam layers on top of the innerspring unit are not necessarily affixed well to the innerspring unit (varies by manufacturer and componentry used), and this extra travel can decrease foam comfort life. There certainly are some hybrid mattresses that can perform well, but as a general rule the all latex will put up best with the specific demands and weight concentrations placed upon it when used atop an adjustable bed foundation.

I did not care for any of the Pure Latex Bliss mattresses we tried. They felt too bouncy and almost waterbed-like to me. I thought it was because of the Talalay latex

Pure Talalay Bliss (PTB) only uses Talalay latex (as the name implies) and this tends to be a more buoyant feel. Also, their covering is a 98% polyester/ 2% elastin blend that is quite thin and stretchy and reveals the true buoyant feel of their blended Talalay.

BUT I did not feel that way when laying on a 3"x3 Savvy Rest with Talalay. The gentleman said that this feeling (of the PLB) is because of the layers being glued together. Can anyone verify or explain? Would all “glued” layers then feel this way?

The Savvy Rest uses a different 100% NR talalay (from Radium) that has a slightly different feel from the PTB and it uses slightly different ILDs. It is true that separate layers can “absorb” a bit more of that bounce when lying back upon a mattress, but overall the largest difference will be the covering used on the Savvy Rest product. The cotton/wool cover is certainly more stiff, and all layers of a mattress, including the cover, have a direct impact upon overall surface feel.

I was told though that layers on an adjustable base should be glued together to avoid “the layers of latex rubbing together”. I have also heard the layers can ‘slip’.

Latex is quite “grippy” and has a high coefficient of friction, plus it is held in place (in this situation) by a strong covering. The amount of movement of the layers would be minimal and not a cause for concern in my opinion.

And lastly, I know everyone feels things differently but can someone please explain the possible feeling difference of a layer (2") of Talalay latex on TOP of a latex bed (like a topper) vs inside the mattress with the other layers of latex.

The difference would be the covering of the mattress. Placing the layer within the mattress can pre-compress it a bit and you’ll feel the outer mattress covering first. If it’s a firmer covering, like the Savvy Rest, you won’t notice as much of the “latexy” feel versus having the latex on top of a finished mattress and the latex topper using a thinner stretch-knit style of covering.

Phoenix