Did you find that talalay worked better for you than dunlop in that regard? (if you had to choose one over the other)
I prefer Talalay. I find the whole āTalalay is more bouncyā to be misleading. Bouncy is not quite the same as overall pushback.
I know that Dunlop is supposed to technically feel softer and then compress and feel firmer, but I wonder if that has really been tested well across many different weights and body sizes. Most bedding rules seem to break with smaller female bodies tbh.
I think WHERE your weight is on your body is important too, not just the net weight, so if you are carrying weight in a curvy frame or have a big chest or butt etc. then the latex may behave differently than what the tests say on a rectangle male body.
Dunlop at my weight feels like the worst of both worlds. There is no contour and tons of pushback even if it is not really ābouncyā it pushes my whole body out of alignment and feels like sleeping on a rock.
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Itās so interesting how personal mattresses are, which makes it even trickier lol Thank you for sharing! I think dunlop on the bottom and middle with talalay on top might be the sweet spot for me.. we shall see. All I know is all talalay definitely does not work!
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So we started with the Soledad but I think we got a bum coil unit and they swapped it out, but for better motion isolation (which had turned out to be a huge problem) we swapped to the Coronado at the same time, and we have 6" firm Dunlop with 3" medium talalay on top. Iām 5ā10" 135lb lanky build. It took a little getting used to, but Iām sleeping well, and hit or miss if my husband is there too. The motion isolation is still a concern. But the medium talalay is almost too soft and I worried about my shoulders rounding. I think itās okay now, but I imagine the soft or extra soft just wouldnāt provide much support and would end up with a hammock situation. They were super helpful swapping things out, just a bummer I had to pay shipping since I donāt live nearby. Hoping you like the medium on top!
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Thank you so much for sharing Lannalab. Yes the guys at MM are great! I live close enough to drive to the store (1 hour), but still have to pay for delivery since I am in another county. I am hoping to get the perfect (or close to it) configuration settled asap!
I actually have the medium talalay already as it was the middle layer of my presidio mattress, and it is much too firm for me to use as the top comfort layer. I almost went with the Coronado too! The medium was wayyyy to firm for me, but the medium soft felt like it could definitely work. I only had a chance to test it out for 20 minutes or so, not overnight of course.
At this point dunlop on the bottom feels best for me, and possibly for the middle layer as well. I think with the talalay top comfort layer, I may have to go with 2" soft (purchased separately) because 3" might be too soft. I will keep everyone updated with what I end up doing here!
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I feel your paināliterally! Iām currently in āmattress hellā with a Sleep on Latex setup, so I completely sympathize with that 4-hour-mark wake-up call. Itās exhausting.
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You are certainly not alone- unfortunately! Last night I was wide awake at the 4.5 hour markā¦ brutal really, when itās night after night. What is your current sleep on latex set up? Two things I learned about them are:
- Their customer service is excellent
- Their material is much firmer than any other company I have tested out
I still have their firm dunlop and it is definitely considered extra firm anywhere else. 46 ILD when most firms are 36 ILD. Itās frustrating because almost every configuration Iāve tried ends up feeling too firm in a strange push back kind of way.. especially after putting on a fitted sheet, no matter how deep the sheet pockets are it always pulls it too tight and the latex feel changes completely! Very annoying.
I am not giving up yet but I am TIRED.
Talalay is life saving. However I have found the best set up is a firm coil mattress with medium 2 inch Talalay topper on top of that. Perfect support. Perfect comfort. 3 inch Talalay is never a good option. You sink in.
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@cupcake25 How is this going for you?
I did several more topper experiences on my all Talalay. What I realized was that all forms of latex, but maybe especially Talalay, jiggle side to side under pressure. A little like jello. That is what was throwing my lighter female body off. I donāt have the weight to stop the jello jiggle.
I said previously that I had been on a Molecule Copperwell Memory Foam 3ā topper. But after 15 minutes I would sink too far into it. The zoning was also useless because itās just cutouts not true zoning.
Then I tried a down alternative topper. Useless.
Moon Cloud felt great on its own but compressed too much under a fitted sheet. Most of these puffy toppers need loft and they collapse under a fitted sheet.
Dormeo topper is foam springs and even foam springs on top of latex was odd. There was no contour. Felt like sleeping on a slab.
Tranquility foam 2ā topper. I thought this would be a compromise of a foam that wouldnāt sink like memory foam. This foam is like a trampoline. So much bouncier than latex. Horrible. I rolled all night.
Serene foam 2ā topper. This is a polyfoam that is temperate neutral. It tries to contour like memory foam but it doesnāt compress under heat. Itās soft but bounces back quickly once you move. So far this is the best.
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Hello! So I ended up purchasing a 2ā soft talalay topper from Avocado to test as my top layer. It was working pretty well for a bit, but then I went to Tel Aviv for work and slept on a surprisingly very comfortable firm bed- itās rare I have a good experience with hotel beds! So when I came back my home set up felt way too soft and unsupportive for my spine and scoliosis condition.
I ended up removing the comfort layer and first experimented with 3ā firm 36 ILD Dunlop on the bottom and 3ā medium 24 ILD Dunlop on top. That was a little too firm so I swapped the 3ā medium Dunlop for 3ā medium talalay and have been sleeping on that for the past week. Itās a pretty firm 6ā total set up, but my spine seems to love it. It is just a bit too firm for my hips when side sleeping.
I am getting close, but not quite there yet! I think a 1ā talalay layer would be perfect, but not sure where the heck I would even find that. The 2ā Avocado talalay topper is really quite wonderful, and it still might work for me.. but I would love to try 1ā before settling for a configuration that isnāt quite right. I have spent a lot of money and a year of my time with this, so getting it right would at least make it worth itā¦
Any updates on your set up?
Yeah, I settled on the firm-medium-soft Talalay stack with 2" of Serene foam on top of it all. Latex is fine for me everywhere except the uppermost comfort layer. The comfort layer is where my body gets pickiest. Serene foam just filled that niche for me. It cushions but does not push back like latex does.
You might want to consider that the firm hotel bed was comfortable because it was not latex and so it wasnāt pushing back. Latex pushback is unique and I think itās too active for some bodies. It just keeps sending signals to the body that you need to shift or that something is wrong. A firm non-latex mattress or the Serene foam lets the body settle.
Hi Cupcake 25, this is Pablo, one of the owners of Mattress Makers.
So sorry we havenāt nailed this one for you yet.
Sounds like weāre really close.
A 1" talalay layer might be exactly what gets you there.
However before we decide if thats the trick Iād love to jump on a call and run some ideas past you.
I can talk through your setup and figure out the right fit for your hips without losing the support your spine likes.
Give me a call at 858-289-6164, or send me a good number and time and Iāll reach out.
I really want to get you sleeping well.
Thanks,
Pablo
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Thank you so much Pablo! I will reach out tomorrow 
Would love to hear your ideas!
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